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taragun
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 Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 6:31:49 PM
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For all that have been reading and posting any threads relating to Rachelle and Evie Peel:
I completely understand the need for there to be discussion and opinion surrounding the devastating crisis that my family found itself in in 2013, whilst I was some 200 miles away at college; and which found my father being diagnosed, as a cruel irony of this crisis, with a rare and terminal form of dementia.
I too have read every post and every thread concerning my mother and me and our horses. One thing of significance has caught the attention of me and my mother, my mother's legal team and indeed the police. It is this that I feel I need to voice, not only for ourselves but for those that are unaware.
A poster on here claims to have bought documents direct from the Court and in doing so, has led many of you to believe not only gross exaggerations but complete lies.
Reply author: catherine1960
Replied on: 08 Sep 2015 11:44:07 AM
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The court papers will be in my hands by the end of the week, have paid for them this morning they are posting the transcript out to me will let you know when I have them.....Christinex
Reply author: catherine1960
Replied on: 08 Sep 2015 4:31:32 PM
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Barbara no one owes me anything for the papers at all they cost me peanuts quite literally.........and when I have them then I can either post copies to those who want to read them, but I warn you all now they will not make pleasant reading at all if not then I will scan a copy and make a file for people to read if they wish to.
It is this claim that seems to have lent credence to any lies posted not only about my family but about the crisis of 2013.
THERE IS NO SUCH COURT DOCUMENT
The following e-mails are a confirmation of this
Dear Mrs Peel
Thank you for your enquiry
The Magistrates' Court is not a court of official record and so there is no official transcript of the proceedings as such. As
you may be aware, the proceedings are not recorded.
Individual notes of the evidence and submissions are made by the advocates, legal adviser and judge for their own use and
assistance. They do not constitute an official record of the hearings.
Copies of my notes were given to the advocates to assist in preparing for the appeal.
I will make enquiries of the administrative office to see if anybody else has requested a copy of the notes from the file. I am
not aware of any such request. It would be most irregular for them to be provided to a member of the public.
I would expect permission to be sought from the judge for that to have occurred. The judge's notes have not been requested
or released to any third party so far as he or I am aware.
I will contact you when I have any further information.
I hope this assists.
Regards
Court Associate
East Lancashire & Pennine Magistrates Court
email: xxxxxxxxx@hmcts.gsi.gov.uk.cjsm.net
Dear Mrs Peel
Further to my email below, our Admin team have confirmed that no such request for notes has been received.
I hope this clarifies things for you.
Kind regards
Court Associate
East Lancashire & Pennine Magistrates Court
email: xxxxxxhmcts.gsi.gov.uk.cjsm.net
There may well be a document that you are all relying on but it is not official, it is not a Court document and it is not the truth.
The trial lasted for 5 weeks and for over 450 hours. The poster who claims to have attended Court says she attended regularly. This lady did indeed attend Court: for approximately 3 hours spread across two days.
FOR THE AVOIDANCE OF DOUBT, THE FOLLOWING ARE ALL FACTS AND ACCEPTED BY ALL PARTIES IN MAGISTRATES' AND CROWN COURT
1. Rachelle Peel and Stephen Peel were each charged with 34 charges under Section 4 and Section 9 of the AWA.
2. At no point was Evie Peel ever charged with any offence.
3. The case against Stephen Peel was stopped in 2014 by the Prosecution upon the confirmation of Stephen Peel's illness.
4. 7 charges against Rachelle Peel were dismissed in April 2015 due to lack of evidence.
5. In September 2015 Rachelle Peel was found NOT GUILTY of 23 charges and GUILTY of 4 charges. It was accepted by all parties that Rachelle Peel was unaware of the situation and the guilty charges reflect what she should have known. These 4 charges related to Section 9 of the AWA and were:
- 14 horses needed mucking out
- 2 horses needed hooves trimmed
- 1 horse was claimed to have untreated rainscald. It was entered in evidence that Pig Oil had been applied twice daily but the Prosecution expert deemed this insufficient.
- 4 dogs were kept in a room deemed by the Prosecution to be too small
6. There were no charges and no question what so ever that Rachelle Peel caused or contributed to the death of an animal.
7. Rachelle Peel was found NOT GUILTY of any charge relating to the body condition score of any animal because evidence did not support this.
8. Any surviving horses (a total of 12) were ordered by the District Judge to be returned to Rachelle and Evie Peel.
9. There were categorically no horses on loan to any member of the Peel family.
10. An Appeal by Rachelle Peel was scheduled to be heard at Preston Crown Court on June 2nd 2016.
In May 2016, at the Prosecution's request, a pre-Appeal hearing was held, at which all charges and convictions against Rachelle Peel were quashed. The Prosecution stated that witnesses who had undergone rigorous cross examination during the trial, refused to appear. After thorough questioning by the Judge, the Prosecution conceded that evidence during the trial had been inconsistent and due to the lack of severity of the charges, it was not in the public interest to resist the Appeal.
11. All horses, if referenced in Court were referenced by exhibit
numbers. No names were "read out in Court."
12. Dowlands I'm Hello Dolly WAS NOT, as poster Edgevale states, identified as one of the "rotting bodies." This was proven in Court due to the fact that at the request of the Defence, the body "identified as Dolly" was exhumed by a vet, examined, and proved scientifically not to be her. All references to this horse were removed. Dolly was not dead, has not been returned and still remains missing.
13. There were not in any way, shape or form, 15 dead bodies at the premises. This is entirely fictitious and was never even suggested by the Prosecution or in evidence.
14. Rachelle and Evie Peel were not given the chance to remedy anything once they had been alerted to the situation. They were not given the chance to ask for help (from the very people that are now mounting a personal vendetta). They were not allowed to contact any previous owners or breeders.
15. Rachelle Peel passed contact details of previous owners and breeders to those removing the horses and asked for people to be contacted since she was prevented from doing so.
16. Rachelle and Evie Peel were told by certain individuals in a professional standing that all the horses were alive and indeed some had been re-homed. This was proved to be a lie when it was discovered during the trial that the many of the horses had been shot and were dead at the time this statement was made.
As has already been said, open discussion is fine if it is the truth. A good majority of what has been posted on this forum is grossly exaggerated or entirely false. What has been written in this post is fact and can be validated. I have nothing to hide and no reason to lie.
I have no idea why people have chosen to lie but neither am I prepared to spend my life justifying myself when some of you elect to believe the exaggerations and lies rather than accept the truth.
My mother has been vindicated in the Court of Law. I was never charged. Whether you agree or disagree, those are the facts and judgments, based on the decisions of those who heard over 400 hours of evidence, not those who already had an issue with us or who were not privy to the evidence which did not support the charges.
This posting is a necessary step. I have appraised you all of the truth and the falsehoods that many of you are claiming, posting or relying on. I suspect many of you will choose to carry on but please be aware that you are now in possession of the facts.
What happened in 2013 was a family in crisis and just that, whether you chose to believe it or not.
ETA: Rachelle and Stephen Peel did not fence judge at Cholmondley Castle. Rachelle has fence judged previously but they were not at the event. Their names were in the catalogue but they were not there in person. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA Matter of Court record: dogs, cattle and sheep remained (and still remain) on our premises and in our possession. In March 2013, despite horses being removed dogs, cattle, sheep and horses were left on our premises and in our care. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA The Court case frequently mentioned relating to sheep and Stephen Peel in 2009 was not an animal welfare issue and there was never a suggestion it was. It was simply an animal byproduct issue (failure to dispose of carcasses). This is fact and can be verified.
ETA I was not, and am not now, in anyway involved in this Court case. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA I paid for an entry at Somerford Park Horse Trials in the BE100(Open) on a returned horse, on 19th of July but I did not compete. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA Contemporaneous evidence submitted in Court showed that there were no identified offences for the horses removed. It was for this reason that the horses were returned. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: 2 horses died on the premises in the space of 48 hours. These were in the same field. Exact cause of death was not established because despite requests from Rachelle Peel, a post mortem was not allowed. It was suggested in Court that sycamore poisoning may have been a cause. Cause of death was found not to be neglect or cruelty. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: There are sycamore trees at the premises despite comments to the contrary. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: The original charge sheets contain only the charges not the level of "detail" that has been quoted on here. Charge sheets are not transcripts and should not be described as such. This is fact and can be validated.
ETA: The "details" provided on this forum were supplied by only one witness (verbatim quotes prove this) and the evidence from this witness was disproved and the witness recalled three times. This is fact and can be validated.
ETA: No new evidence is presented at an Appeal. It challenges evidence already presented at trial. It is on this basis that Rachelle Peel won her Appeal and all charges and convictions were quashed. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: Despite not being part of the case, I was in the process of contacting each of the people that either bred or sold a horse to my family. The abuse I received for this meant I stopped. The inaccuracies in "the Lost Ones" are many. The inconsistencies in the evidence provided by the Prosecution means that the only horses that I have accurate details of are those mentioned in the Mail on Sunday as being shot by the RSPCA,and those listed below:
Horses Returned
Templars Orchestral Pearl (Harley)
Templars Magic Pearl (Mouse)
Glenaig Bona Fides (Fodo)
Templars Miss Alliance (Coco)
Templars Sea Monkey (Neville)
Templars Milli Vanilli (Millie)
Legz (Legz)
GKJ Spotted Sensation (Sid)
Vladimier H (Joules)
Honest Villain (William)
Little Starlight (Delilah)
Delilah's son (name pending, stable name Goose)
Horses that were not removed in March 2013:
Oakmeister Dirty Harry (AJ)
OSO Harlequin (Moo)
Horses that had previously been sold:
Autumn Dancer (2012)
The two dead horses found in March 2013
Oakthwaite Shamtar (Shammy - mother to Neville and Midge)
Vlacq Talanique (Tally)
Horses shot by HAPPA - shot a year after removal and displaying no problems despite comments to the contrary
Spartan Princess (Diva)
Phaaraoh (George)
Templars Nimrod (Pepsi)
Templars Cultured Pearl (Molly)
Horses rehomed by HAPPA
Shush
Bumble
Horses shot by RSPCA
Taragun (Taz): travel instructions ignored, loaded for 7 hours before travelling. Loaded in wagon with stallions, pregnant mares and geldings. Went down and was trampled resulting in severe lacerations. Injuries were treatable.
Templars Enigma (Midge - she was originally to have been called T.Mystic Shadow but she was registered as T.Enigma)
Khoomi
Fiya Dominion (Shady)
Last Crescendo (Cresh)
Arrieta (Rita)
Whichways Summer Breeze (Breeze)
Vlacq Tinwe (Sparky)
Twist Hoeves Nancy (Nancy mother to T.Millie Vanilli)
Heron de la Forge (Heron)
Edgevale Against All Odds (Pip, renamed Del Boy by RSPCA)
Bradney Anna (Anna)
Horse retained by Cooper Wilson:
Ringkay Freddie (Freddie)
Horse re-passported and microchipped by "rescue centre" vet
Ringkay Caesar (Winston)
Horses not owned and returned
Indian Silver King
Majidaa Bint Mamoona
Amira Obeyd
Holmepark Lennon
Edgevale Miss Justice
Ephebe
Horses passed over the years pre 2010
Sunlea Darreana (Tara) post mortem showed she died of brain tumour
Feathers McGraw (Mr Feathers died peacefully in his stable of natural causes)
Hadida Pearl (Haps died in her stable of old age)
Mysticfold Charming Boy (died of complications with colic)
Je t'adore (Sia PTS broken leg)
MWA Madkour (Muds permission from owner not obtained in time for PM but body examined by vet, suspected ruptured aorta)
Horse on loan to Silversun and in our care (PTS by our vet on welfare grounds with preexisting aggressive melanoma)
Euphorbia (Owned by Silversun and in our care, examined by vet and died shortly after, ashes sent to owner)
This is fact and can be verified
ETA: "Is it true that your husband at the time of this 'family crisis' only had 2 years to live which is why his charges were dropped." No this is not the reason the Prosecution dropped the charges against Stephen Peel. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: The only horse "dug up" after it had been "buried" was the controlled exhumation of Oakthwaite Shamtar to verify that she was not Dowlands I'm Hello Dolly. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: Rachelle Peel was not working at Northern Rock at the time. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: Stephen is not driving. He is not insured on our current car. This is a fact and can be verified.
ETA: Barbara Gregory: the phone call between you and Evie Peel was recorded including the somewhat comforting comments you made wishing Evie luck for the future, and that you do not have an issue with Evie Peel, just her mother. Evie Peel also alerted you to the fact that many people were relying on false information which you conceded. As a point of clarity, Evie Peel was 10 years old when you sold your horses to Rachelle Peel. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: Evie Peel was at college full time, living away from home starting Sept 2012 until July 2014. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: On a more personal note, I will not demonstrate remorse for something I did not do. The fact that many of you refuse to believe that I had nothing to do with the crisis of 2013 shows you are unwilling to believe the truth. Remorse and grief are very different things and I most certainly feel grief. This is fact and every day verifies it.
ETA: Several of the horses that were shot were in my name. Edgevale Against All Odds (Pip) falls into this category. Why they were a) removed b) shot and c) I was not informed is something I cannot answer and is something I am still waiting to find out myself. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: Your list spans a period of over twenty years. The problems with your list are:
1. It contains horses that do not and never have existed
2. It contains horses that were nothing to do with this case and nothing to do with me (some of these predate me being able to walk!)
3. It contains horses that I have already addressed (eg Dolly)
One I can clarify however, is Mouse's 2013 foal. Mouse was loaded on the same wagon as Taragun and was in the next stall to her as Taragun collapsed. She too was loaded with stallions hours before the journey and upon being unloaded she was put in the same stable with Legz who at the time was an entire two year old colt. She aborted her foal three days after removal and we were not informed about the death. The aborted 10 month foetus was subsequently frozen. The sex of the foal was not determined prior to freezing.
This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: "I do believe RSPCA are only interested in the high profile cases that will probably gain media attention, so to remove so many of your horses (that to be honest that weren’t in the worst condition in the world compared to the state of horses usually removed by the RSPCA) there must have been a reason". There was no reason and the vet who attended did not recommend removal. This is fact, stated and evidenced in Court and can be verified.
ETA: This is Evie. Your refusal to accept it is me and your ongoing speculation about events is only creating more confusion, is not serving any purpose and shows just how little you know about me.
This is fact. Obviously I cannot verify it, but it's the truth. As has been the case for three and a half years many of you choose what you want to believe, for what purpose I do not know.
I have shared every bit of knowledge I have. I cannot tell you something I do not know even though many of you have convinced yourselves that "I must know more."
Your ongoing speculation and conjecture, regardless of how high your emotions are running, is not going to change the facts. What is in my post is fact and can, and has been, verified.
ETA: Sadika - you have quoted the Prosecution opening statement. These "facts" were disproved during the course of the trial - hence the NOT GUILTY verdicts. There were two, and only two, recently deceased horses in the field which I have already identified. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: Catherine1960 (Christine) what you have quoted was Evidence in Chief. You were not there for the Cross Examination and did not see this evidence challenged. You have only quoted allegations not proven facts. This is fact and can be verified.
ETA: Edgevale and Jackiedo: the case against Stephen was dropped because of the nature of his illness, not his life expectancy. He does not have Alzheimers and there is no remission. The illness affects the frontal lobe which means that the Stephen Peel I knew as dad, no longer exists - he's undergone such a massive personality change and often acts like a child. From the support groups we attend, other families have undergone similar traumatic experiences which lead to diagnosis. Had we known of his illness, there is no way he would have been expected to look after any animals. It was the outcome of this situation, that was so out of character, that alerted us to the fact that something was badly wrong with him. He still doesn't accept he's dying and he doesn't accept he's not well. He receives medical support from the GP, Lancashire Specialist Mental Health Unit and the Cerebral Function Unit at Salford Hospital. Yes, he does still potter about and attempt tasks (under supervision) - this is on the recommendation of the psychiatrists to help him feel valued and as occupational therapy. Both me and mum would love it if he was in remission or made a miraculous recovery but he isn't and he won't.
ETA: Edgevale: Stephen lost almost a third of his flock in floods and the ground/water conditions meant he couldn't get to them to dispose of the carcasses. He wasn't the only farmer to lose a significant number of sheep that year.
ETA: Midge - yes she was Shammy's daughter. Shammy was one of the two horses that died in the field (she was in the same field as Midge). We were not allowed to post mortem the horses to establish cause of death. A week after the other horses had been removed, we were still awaiting instruction as to what to do with the bodies and when one of them burst, we took the decision to bury them. Shammy was mistakenly identified as Dolly and we had her exhumed to prove that she was not Dolly.
ETA: Dolly: she's missing and that's all I can say. We contacted the Trakehner Breed Society to enquire if her passport had been returned. All we got was a torrent of abuse.
ETA: Any horses that were mentioned in this case have been listed above.
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viola
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 8:11:07 PM
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Evie, you are delusional and clearly need help.
The only reason you and your family were not convicted of unspeakable cruelty and neglect was because the 'rspca' mucked up the prosecution case.
Have you really no shame? I pity the poor horses that are still in your possession.
As far as I am concerned you and your family are evil incarnate and deserve the same treatment you meted out to those poor animals. |
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Ari
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 8:39:24 PM
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I don't believe Evie! Your father was a fence judge just a few weeks ago so how is he doing! As for family crisis absolutely no excuse in my mind. We all have to face life's challenges, I was a widow at 35 so have done hard yards looking after my husband and animals!
It's not just horses, there are sheep and dogs. You were 200 hundred miles away that's 4 hrs not the other side of the world.
Agree above RSPCA bungle got you lot off. |
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lindsid
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 9:03:15 PM
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Evie, you are probably going to get a lot of heated comments on this thread but I thought I would share with you my thoughts on this as someone not directly involved. I think you are missing the point and infuriating people further with your poor attempts at excuses. Everybody knows the reason that there were no charges is because the RSPCA made a complete hash of the case so it couldn't stand, even so horses wouldn't be removed from your/your mothers care just for need of mucking out - there is clearly a lot more or you really are seeing it through rose tinted glasses.
If you do want to move on from this, as I believe you do, because the more excuses and attempts to whitewash over this is only aggrivate people further and in turn make life more difficult for you - I've seen the posts on H&H which lead me to this forum, people even know thay you entered BE on the 19th! What you need to go is sit down with your mother, make a list of EVERY SINGLE horse and what happened to them,whatever happened to them (sold, kept, died, rspca rehomed, rspca pts etc) and show that you can at least remember them - yes it isn't going to be a nice and/or easy job but people need closure and although many will still be upset and angry, nothing can change the past but the truth will help everyone move forward, including yourself.
ETA stop digging yourself deeper and just do the right thing, it's the only way |
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sab2
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 9:08:54 PM
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| I cannot believe you are still trying to justify what you and your family have done , you are all pure evil to let the animals in your care suffer in the way they did and let's not forget it's not the first time this has happened . God help the poor animals that have been returned to you . |
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paul_exe
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 9:10:46 PM
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Your mother writes a good spin. I don't believe you are capable of stringing a sentence together let alone a page worth of tripe.
Family crisis - wake up child! This was a HUGE case of horse neglect & cruelty.
Do you honestly think people are going to forget the torment, pain & suffering you all caused.
There are only so many times you can cry wolf & your family have certainly done more than its share.
This is not the first time your family have been charged & found guilty of animal cruelty.
I don't for one minute believe you never knew what was happening on the home front whilst you were away playing ponies at college.
Do horses a favour & take up knitting, then no more equines will be at risk from you.
There is not one ounce of remorse in your response. Take some time out & shed a tear for each horse you lot have violated. You will be crying for some time if you do.
Dream on sweetie. It must be lovely living in your bubble!
ETA. YAWN. This is a fact and can be verified.
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Ari
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 9:28:14 PM
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| Evie, what about the horses hat were found dead on your land can you explain? |
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catherine1960
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 9:45:29 PM
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It was not until I actually enquired from the Court in question that I learned there was no actual transcript and that the only papers I would be able to have would be the original charge sheets. Then we found out that your mother had the nerve and audacity to appeal her ( in my and others eyes) her very lenient sentence which was brought about by her spinning such a sob story regarding your stepfather (which has proved blatantly untrue) that's when we thought we would at last get hold of a complete transcript. Again your mother managed to wriggle her way out of that...........she wasnt cleared of any wrongdoing, she was told that no further evidence would be offered by the RSPCA as the original witnesses were not willing to appear again......
As for being in court I was there..........the days I could not attend I made sure of the days proceedings from various trusted sources. all quite legitimate I might add!
Do not ever attempt to justify to us your innocence in all of this
As for your claims of a 'family crisis' pardon the expression but that's complete and utter bull****.........what happened was systemic abuse over a very long period of time. So its about time you came clean and admitted what you all did and tell everyone what happened to those horses that have vanished.....
Decomposing horses in fields and in stables do not happen overnight or as the results of a 'family crisis'
Furthermore how you have the nerve to use the name 'Taragun' after what your family did to that very brave little mare that carried you to a World title defies all description of the contempt you and the other members of your family are held in
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Ari
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 9:47:36 PM
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| You update post as answer to corpses on site as sycamore poisoning, not believed! You really are in total denial with no remorse. Your trying to discredit people with only good intentions only adds to the wrong doing. |
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Sadika
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 10:16:59 PM
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| Please would you reply to each of the horses listed in "The Lost Ones" ... it is about time the mysteries were solved and people concerned about the horses they bred etc know their fate ... |
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bridie
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 10:25:58 PM
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Completely delusional.
But as your here now why don't you tell the truth about where all these horses went to and how you all could allow this to happen.
Let the people who bred them, loved them and in good faith allowed your wicked vile family to buy them, at least know there end....... Or would that be admitting that you were actually the reason they are no longer alive.
Evie..... You knew what was going on......you were at home when this was happening over years!!!!!
Again I say...... I hope you and your family rot in hell and die a very horrible and painful death.
ETA lies more lies......but at least she responded.....vile piece of work that's she/they are |
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Edgevale
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 10:34:38 PM
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I'm guessing you will make this statement Rachelle and then not respond to any direct or indirect questions....
hey ho.. So 6,7 or 15 horses dead on the property, so if you and your husband didn't cause or contribute, who did?
Do you not think contacting us before it ever got to this stage in March 2013 would have been a good idea?
Is it true that your husband at the time of this 'family crisis' only had 2 years to live which is why his charges were dropped?
How could you possibly 'not be aware' of the situation/crisis at home Rachelle?
And please do enlighten us to the fate of all the missing horses on my list? |
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catherine1960
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 10:39:30 PM
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| You have to remember Edgevale that Rachelle was 'busy trying to save Northern Rock and its employees ' at the time of the 'family crisis' |
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sab2
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 10:41:28 PM
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| While your verifying things can you confirm the names of the horses who were dug up as sadly they didn't,t have microchips in them, please do not deny there were any buried. |
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Edgevale
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 10:47:38 PM
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there are 18 on the list so far unaccounted for? if you have 12 back that's 6, with plenty more to come
Edited to add, this is not a vendetta its just human beings wanting an explanation as to what the hell happened, and I for one tried to ask nicely
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lindsid
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 10:58:33 PM
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| Are you also able to list horses that were removed and not returned (ex the 11 the rspca dispatched) and the four deceased in the barn - i'm sure that would go a long way in helping finally put an end to this |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 01 Sep 2016 : 11:28:18 PM
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Does the DVLA know that Steven Peel is driving while apparently suffering from terminal dementia? I understood that it was illegal to drive if one was not fully competent to do so; if he was unfit to attend court then surely he is unfit to drive.
What I have found fascinating, if that is the correct word, is how we were all spun the same lies when your mother wanted our horses. There was all the gushing initially, all the cheques that were sent and never arrived, bank transfers that didn't happen etc. and then the criticism of the horses; it was a recurring theme from all of us.
At no time have any of you shown any remorse over what you did and the suffering you caused. When you phoned me you didn't even know who my beautiful Tara was and neither did you care. I was polite and listened to what you had to say as I hoped you would tell us what went wrong and what had happened to the horses but the only thing that you were interested in was "drawing a line under it so that you could get on with your life and you now had a daughter". Sadly the horses that were in your care, and I use that word loosely as they were clearly not cared for, were not able to get on with their lives and you had no interest in the dead, or even the living, horses other than the ones who you wanted. You also swore to me that you were not at home during any of that time which I am sure was a lie.
I was deeply shocked that you could be so cold and unfeeling; I would have thought that being a mother would have at least given you a little bit of humanity although I guess you must take after your mother in that respect.
Had any of you shown the least bit of remorse you may have got some sympathy even though any horse lover would never understand the sheer scale of the neglect and the number of dead animals but there is not one shred of humanity apparent from any of you. I know how spiteful and vindictive your mother is as I was at the receiving end of her nastiness but had hoped you might be different; sadly not. |
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garnet
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Edgevale
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 05:49:41 AM
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Hallelujah at last, thank you rachelle (and we are all pretty sure it is you and not evie posting)
all that remains now is for you to say sorry and admit your part in all this and we are half way there to putting this behind us, giving us chance to move to the next stage
you are fully aware of who I am and my contact details
what about
Dolly MISSING
Mouse 2013 foal DEAD
Cas rosaroma
SIRHOWY CYRUS - Obi (1994 Caspian ?????
SPARK SHAHRYA (1999) Caspian ?????
SPARK PERSEPOLIS (2003) Caspian ?????
WILLOW ANNABELL (1999) Cleveland Bay ?????
ZARIDNE - Zizi (2005) Arabian ?????
STAR ASCENDANT - Scottie (2002) Arabian ?????
ALILEO - Leo (2008) Arabian ?????
T MALAZAAR - Malcome (2008) Arabian ?????
T. CHANSON d'AMOUR Quizz(2002) PBA ?????
T. PEARL HANIFEYAH - Shrimp(2008) Arabian ?????
T MOONSONG - Boots (2008) Arabian ?????
MOOSE (2006) ????? ?????
T VINDALOO - Vinny (2011) TB ?????
EVE/EVA ???? ????? ?????
DUN FILLY 2005 (2005) CASPIAN ?????
T. PRINCE CASPIAN (2009) CASPIAN X ARAB?????
SUNLEA DARREANA- Tara ARABIAN DEAD
Just to add
T Mystic shadow (T. Enigma)
T ENIGMA - Midge CB X ARABIAN DEAD
So lets add
T CRIE De COEOUR - Treacle (2000) CB X ARABIAN ?????
And on a more 'personal level', I have asked this question before, why was Pip
a. removed
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b. shot I believe he was in evie's name ?
ARE YOU SAYING THESE HORSES NEVER EXISTED OR YOU HAVE NEVER HEARD OF THEM AS YOU ARE TOO YOUNG?
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lindsid
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 08:35:16 AM
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I think you are still trying to save face, the RSPCA don’t take horses away lightly, I know because was on a livery yard with a badly neglected horse - extremely underweight and feet were awful too (in all much worse condition of any of the 11 Peel horses shot) but because the RSCPA did nothing but give the owner pathetic warnings which she ignored the horse died in the field, he wasn’t even my horse and I feel guilt and remorse that I didn’t do more for him than put my faith in the RSPCA.
I do believe RSPCA are only interested in the high profile cases that will probably gain media attention, so to remove so many of your horses (that to be honest that weren’t in the worst condition in the world compared to the state of horses usually removed by the RSPCA) there must have been a reason – and I believe that would be the deceased horses on the property, 2 in the field accounted for, now the 4 in the barn – not the excuses or trying to reason it, just their names.
ETA If you were too young to remember the remaining horses then you need to ask your mother, equally listing the ones you say never existed (whatever that means) and if you weren’t aware of the further deceased horses in the barn (whatever the reason) then I suggest, again, discussing with your mother to provide a list - if you ever want to move forward from this every horse needs to be accounted for
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Sadika
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 09:52:48 AM
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Thank you for the list so far ... I hope it can be completed soon (see Edgevale's list above ...) ... also please could you comment on the following ...
Later that day they went into a field at the farm and found the carcass of a horse.(which one was this?)
There were a number of living horses feeding from a large bale of hay which was next to the carcass.
Shortly afterwards, the officials went into the farmhouse where there were a number of dogs.
The police officer said the house smelled so strongly of urine that his eyes were watering, and there were dog faeces all over the floor.
There were dogs tethered outside which the prosecution say were in a poor condition.
The party was joined by an RSPCA inspector. The police officer spoke to a farmer in a nearby field and as a result they went to the Knott Lane site which comprised a field and a large barn which was locked. The officer went to Brookhouse Green Farm and returned with a key.
There were two living horses in the field and what appeared to be the remains of at least two more horses. (Who were these poor souls left lying in the field??)
Inside the barn there were three horses which were living among the remains of four dead and decomposed horses.(These horses hadn't JUST passed away overnight so what had happened to them? Why were they still there and who were they??)
“One of the dead horses was in the same pen as the living animals,#148; said Mr O’Donnell.
Or are these NOT facts???? |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 10:11:44 AM
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| Edgevale, can you add my Tara to the list of missing horses that need an answer. She was a beautiful, healthy horse when she went to to them and has not been heard of since I sussed out every word she said was lies! |
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Sadika
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 10:29:36 AM
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Peel: Horses passed over the years pre 2010
Sunlea Darreana (Tara) post mortem showed she died of brain tumour
Me: so sorry Barbara ... taken 6 years + to get this horrible news ... |
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Sadika
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Posted - 02 Sep 2016 : 10:37:04 AM
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ETA: Sadika - you have quoted the Prosecution opening statement. These "facts" were disproved during the course of the trial - hence the NOT GUILTY verdicts. There were two, and only two, recently deceased horses in the field which I have already identified. This is fact and can be verified.
So, to clarify, you are saying there were no dead bodies in the stable ...??
and basically the horses were taken away because they needed mucking out???
One more thing if you were unaware of what was going on could you explain something about you riding Harley in a stallion parade at Myerscough just weeks before the welfare visit ... surely you were at the farm then to prepare him and would have visited all the others even if just to see them ...??
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The Peel horses - a response
