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martha615
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 Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 3:29:53 PM
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Annamaisy, I don't think she'd like those rings either, but was just mentioning it as there are many pads that are similar and might have similar issues (buyer beware!).
I am really sorry you are having all these troubles. I do love treeless on many horses, but it is a study onto itself. My Sensation saddle would swamp Freya and even though the only pressure would be where you sat, it would look stupid on her.
I hope your new plan works :) |
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zaminda1
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Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 7:17:07 PM
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| When I spoke to them they said 16", plus they are sadly out of my price range. They did say the way they are designed did mean I might get away with it, but it would be a try it and see. |
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martha615
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England
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Posted - 01 Jul 2013 : 7:47:01 PM
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| Glo, can you send me the names of your saddlers you swear by? I sent you a pm -- THANK YOU! |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 1:22:03 PM
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We have a Bates/Wintec specialist fitter coming out in 2 weeks time, so fingers crossed either one will fit her. They're the ones with the interchangeable gullets and CAIR system..
If neither fits, then we are heading down the made to measure route.
Anyone know of and fitters who also do Made to Measure saddles for the odd shaped pony??
Thanks guys xx |
 
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kath
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 3:32:44 PM
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| Just to throw another thing in there, i am not a fan of CAIR. Its not adjustable so if Freya were to change shape you're stuck. It has also been shown to give uneven pressure points. I would stick to traditional wool flocking, or FLAIR, personally |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 3:38:43 PM
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But it has the interchangeable gullet system, so it is adjustable.
If we do go with the Bates [or Wintec if I'm beaten down on the synthetic side... Unlikely though] she will have the Chiropractor and Physio out every 4 months [so they are on a 2 month rota] until she has appeared to stop growing.
What ever it takes to keep her well, don't need any more ponies in the wars  xx |
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Callisto
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 4:06:25 PM
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| If you have a problem with the Cair system, it can be replaced with flocking by your saddler - (can happen as the saddle ages apparently) so it wouldn't mean you cannot have a Bates saddle if it does fit your girl. |
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Linda
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 4:07:45 PM
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Thanks Linda, I thought it was possible, but didn't want to sound silly lol  |
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kath
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 4:24:19 PM
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| Thanks Kath, I appreciate all this advice, I'm just hoping something will fit now! xx |
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SuziQ
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 5:18:13 PM
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It can be very frustrating the whole saddle game but I would also avoid cair as it isnt adjustable and for young ponies you can end uop with it breaching..you can change it but you end up stripping out something you paid for to go back to wool flocking which can be adjusted to her altering shape which the front half gullet system is great for...its a total gimmick..'riding on air'!
My saddler is coming next wednesday and so excited |
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Judith S
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saddlebred
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 8:08:51 PM
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My short coupled, no withered, wide PBA ended up in a Peter Jones/Paul Jones GP which has been fab and wasn't overly expensive.
I would say that your saddler is taking liberties though. My saddler always leaves me with 4 or 5 to try for as many weeks as I want. She has also done straight swaps for me when they no longer fit so I have never lost any money on all my various saddles.
I guess there aren't that many genuine people around these day :( |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 02 Jul 2013 : 8:16:40 PM
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Ive just looked my saddle up and it is Paul Jones. They make their saddles on the premises in Walsall and they advertise about 12 different types and say that they can do a bespoke service. It might be worth giving them a ring?
My saddler says that the Paul Jones is the best one for fitting close coupled horses. Mine was about £600 but that was 4 or 5 years ago!
good luck with whatever you decide. It is such a lovely feeling when you finally get one that fits a difficult shape. My other two girls can wear "off the peg" so I found it a bit of shock to have so much difficulty with Jazz and because she is highly strung the pinching created behavioural problems as well. No pinching = very happy Jazz and no issues now :) |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 08:16:01 AM
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I've never heard of Paul Jones, anyone know where he is based? Or is it just a make of saddle, rather than an actual person?
Splash is an 'off the rack' pony, although she takes a 17.5" deep seat Barnsby GP, and she is only 14.1 and a cob, and short coupled.... Her shoulders are enormous. We have always been lucky with her, but the shoulders are what causes her problems. The fitter she gets, the more muscle she gains, then the harder we have to work her... And then she gets fitter. It's an impossible circle. She has 'hot blood Azurtoria'. So she must be exercised for at least an hour everyday, and she isn't a plod.
Completely off topic, I know, but just amazes me that she can wear any saddle even though she has had so many problems.
Thanks Saddlebred, I'll be looking them up!
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Judith S
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 08:35:49 AM
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| For a big-shouldered horse the interchangeable gullets can be limited as they only adjust the angle, not the overall width which is what you need. |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 03 Jul 2013 : 08:38:57 AM
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Splash is in a normal saddle no interchangeable anything lol, Wide fit, and although she does come up and down in weight, she doesn't change shape on her template, and when it needs anything doing to it, a lovely lady from Barnsby comes out to see her.
I guess we've just been lucky with her!! |
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martha615
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Posted - 04 Jul 2013 : 12:12:49 PM
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I agree with what Judith is saying -- the angle isn't the only thing (if it were, we wouldn't need saddlers!).
Also, you have to look at the length of the saddle. Some horses get much winder toward the back of the saddle and the gullet may or may not be wide enough toward the back. The shape of the back of the saddle is also very important.
Can i just say I am similarly FED UP with my saddle problems with Esme! Everything slips! My Sensation (treeless) still slipped no matter what I did with a girth, and I tried four. I can ride my welsh in it with any of those girths, but my arab in none of them.
Now, my Ideal doesn't seem so "ideal". It has dropped since I first bought it and the saddle can come out and reflock it -- that's normal enough -- but I think it is too narrow at her wither and I bet I end up selling it. Do you hear the smell of money burning? That would be my money...
I just sent a request to Lavinia Mitchell to come assess this horse for a saddle. It isn't that I think my current saddler is incompetent at all, only that we may have to think out of the box on this.
If anyone wants a nice 17.5" wide fit Ideal GP saddle that is almost new (brown leather) there may be one for sale soon through me.....
PS. as some of you know I had a serious fall a few months ago -- when I looked up from the ground I saw that Esme's saddle was practically under her. I wonder if the saddle began slipping and that is why she spooked??? I can't remember now. Anyway, this stuff is important. |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 04 Jul 2013 : 1:38:45 PM
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Martha...
My saddle is too narrow at the withers. But not further along the back. When I look at the gullet, it is very narrow - I can't fit my fist in between the front part of the gullet, and on a narrow saddle I can?? Freya's Ideal is a Medium Narrow. So either it has been so well used it has given? Can that happen on an old tree?? I don't know, I'm not a saddler, but I might become one after all this just so I can help other poor folk!! Seriously considering it!
I've contacted Antonia Wills, as she can do made to measure, stocks all types and models, and is local to me. After that [if we don't find anything] I'll be following up on an email to Lavinia too.
I've still got my fingers crossed for wither the Bates pony, Bates caprilli or Kent and Masters Teen saddle.
Maybe it's optimistic of me, but there you go! xx |
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zaminda1
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Posted - 04 Jul 2013 : 1:57:46 PM
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| One point to consider is I have known a few difficult to fit arabs, and not a single one of those is able to wear a wintec!! The shape just wasn't right. Thats how I ended up with a thorowgood, as did my friend. She also has a strada though. She has had the mare 11 years, and has had probably twice as many saddles!! |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 04 Jul 2013 : 2:03:04 PM
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| Fine with me! I'm a leather snob lol xx |
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saddlebred
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Posted - 04 Jul 2013 : 9:01:31 PM
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Hi Annamaisy
Paul Jones is a make of Saddle - the Paul Jones saddle company is based in Walsall, West Midlands.
I only mentioned it because my saddler has been in business for nearly 50 years and she says that this is the saddle that she uses for difficult to fit short backed horses.
Interestingly Jazz suffered from Azoturia as well (actually termed Chronic Exertional Rhabdomyolysis). She hasn't now had an attack for 4 years. I give her a scoop of Selevite E and a scoop of Electrosalts every day. |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 08:29:01 AM
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How interesting that you have experience with the wonderful Azurtoria as well.
Splash had an accident jumping with myself about 4 years ago now, resulting in a rotational fall. Fortunately, we both walked away, but about 6 months later and countless referrals, we got Splash referred to Queen's Royal Veterinary Hospital in Cambridge, and upon further examination, they discovered she has broken two vertebrae and although it had healed up fine, it had left her with the tendon running along the centre of the spine weaker and thinner than before the accident.
They also did two muscle biopsies because she had strange levels of amino acids. Not the usual number expected before and after work. First time results came back, the vets were shocked, and the second time they were better but not normal, and then the third, they were fine... The fourth, they were awful again.
We were called in and we discussed her problems, and it was only when my DAD [tries to be horsey for me and mum] mentioned the Hunters feeling poorly after a weekend hunting did the ball drop. Monday Morning Sickness... The link for Splash is weather. 1st Results - Wet and Windy, 2nd Results - Warm but Windy, 3rd Results - Hot but no wind and 4th Results - Wet and Windy again.
Azurtoria, but the hot blood type, presumably the same as Arabs, TBs, Warmbloods, KWPNS get. Which is why they didn't pick up on it. They had been looking for the type of results Draft horses would give.
Anyway, hers is managed by daily work, at least an hour, and wearing a rug at all times if it is under 17 degrees Celsius. And then she has her fly sheet on anyway. Keeping her back warm helps so much, but also, no sugar, and restricted grazing. Warm her up for at least 20 minutes in walk before doing anything, and cool her down extra well in cooler weather.
The winter is the worst for her, Hot towels on her back for ten minutes, then tack up and replace them, then wrapped up in two exercise sheets during our ride. POOR PONY!!
Sorry, I know I went off on one, but we don't know anyone else who knows the joys of Monday Morning Sickness!!
Anna xx |
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Pop
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 08:42:05 AM
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I get it, sometimes Tuesdays as well, can be Wednesdays or Thursday. Oh yes, and Fridays as well  |
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 05 Jul 2013 : 09:30:33 AM
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Lol, Pop, I know that feeling! Also come after a night out!! xx
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