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jackiedo
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 Posted - 08 May 2013 : 5:03:54 PM
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There are so very many these days - what can we do?
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badders
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England
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Posted - 09 May 2013 : 3:13:34 PM
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| Hi, could you tell me how old these are, height, age etc and if any pics. i don't have any spare stables at the moment but could look around for some spare land nearby. Do they need to be stables or would a good secure field and shelter do? I already have a purebred arab, two PBs and a falabella, I really like the caspains. |
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AnnaMaisy25
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England
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 12:36:24 PM
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It's education mostly isn't it?
There are one or two people on my yard who have ponies who shouldn't do... The ponies will suffer in the end, as both owners are saying they don't want to do another winter with them.
But what can you do?
I bite my tongue when they say something about the horses being naughty or something similar... If they spent some time with them, rather than off out for the day, pretty sure they wouldn't have so many darn issues.
Then they'll sell them for peanuts and the poor horses will end up somewhere less than lovely.
And the horses suffer. Because if ignorant people.
It's so upsetting! |
 
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Goldenmane
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 1:35:38 PM
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I hate to say this but in a few years I think it will be quite normal to see horsemeat on the menu in this country
Edited to say, I have no answer to your actual query, all the time there is indiscriminate breeding. |
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gossy
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England
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 1:44:06 PM
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as ive said before, during these harsh times breeding should be stopped unless you are breeding to keep them yourself.
and i for one will not tolerate horsemeat becoming the norm! |
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AnnaMaisy25
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England
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 1:49:33 PM
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Why do people carry on breeding?
Isn't it fairly obvious that there isn't a market at the current time, for any breed of horse. Unless you are rich, and expanding your own stud, and you sell abroad as well as National, should anyone be breeding their horses?
I know that our local KWPN stud has put breeding on hold until they have sold this years and last years youngsters... The lady said she put 2 mares into foal next year instead of the usual 6... And then of course, what happens if no one wants fillies or v/v colts?!?!
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Meggie-Lu
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England
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 3:03:31 PM
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martha615
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England
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 3:39:02 PM
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I think people are breeding ponies for export to the meat industry in France, where they eat quite a bit of horse meat. Perhaps the best thing for horses would be the complete stopping of horses sold at auction in monthly markets, as those "fire sales" ensure people can get rid of animals quickly, which often means having them killed.
I also think many people who say they "love" horses, are lying to themselves. They love a certain experience that horses can give them (but do not always give them) and don't really care about horses at all, or even the specific horse they may own.
I became a vegan as a means of ensuring that I will not contribute to the suffering of horses, or any other animal, at least in quite so great a way as I have done in the past.
I think I'm still stuck with buying leather when I buy a saddle as the synthetic ones don't fit Esme -- I wish they did. So, I am not a perfect vegan by any means. I just got to my wits end in petitions and pleading for humane treatment of animals in slaughter houses, and for the removal of horses from the food chain. Not that I will stop in my efforts for humane treatment of animals for slaughter, but at least I have also voted with my pocketbook.
Somehow the message needs to get out there that there is no market for horse meat. There is no market for neglected, ill-bred, half-starved young cobs that are backed in a hurry, and then put up for sale. We don't want to eat horses and we don't want to buy randomly bred stock. So stop breeding them.
Unfortunately, nobody who is participating in this kind of activity is going to read this forum....so am just preaching to the converted here! |
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Silver
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 5:14:09 PM
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| Basically a lot of people seem to just not care, if they breed something they think is not not good enough for them they sell it on and have another go at breeding something better.They could'nt care less what happens to the ones they sell but will try and say otherwise.Just my opinion. |
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Ari
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Posted - 09 Jul 2013 : 8:46:45 PM
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I have seen first hand the heartbreak of the "tradition cob" industry, poor conformation, backed too soon = vet bills and or major problems. One in particular had no prospect of happy ridden life due to severe navicular at 4yrs old! I have also seen grand ones doing great but it is more luck and going to good homes early more then breeder responsibility. But while ever people pay 4x more for them than a well bred horse it will go on.
On the other hand my Arab boy didn't win prizes as a colt so not what showing owners wanted, but they were very careful about selling him on.
As for breeding for meat, I think it has always gone on but it is so much more exposed now with the DNA fiasco that showed how food industry had disgracefully removed our freedom of choice.
I can't take the moral high ground on this as I am not vegetarian and whilst knowingly eating horse would be horrific to me; I have to accept that as long as welfare regulations are strictly enforced (which I know they are not) I would be a hypocrite to think a cow, lamb, chicken or pig was any lower than a horse.
This all started as homes for ponies in need, sadly there are too many animals in need in this economic climate and its not just horses, I have rescue guinea pigs and cats. Sadly can't do horses as I don't have my own place, but when I win the lottery.......
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Quarabian
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Wales
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 09:02:21 AM
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| Despite Not breeding for six years, I still have the youbgsters I bred before the recession. Unfortunately as I am now having to work for a wage (rather than work with the horses) I am not able to find time to continue their education. I am fast running out of ideas and money so I have considered the horror of sending to market. Mine are not small ponies, they are purebred QH.I am having to give up my dream of breeding quarabians. Perhaps I will have to change my name on here too. I am very down at the moment. |
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Eeyore
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 10:56:32 AM
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So sorry to hear that Quarabian, I'm sure things will pick up for you soon, don't lose heart. 
I know how difficult it is trying to find time to train up horses when you are working full time. My boy was a project and some days I would feel like I didn't have time to breathe when I was rushing to work and back and trying to find time for him as well. It's very tough, I hope you see some light at the end of the tunnel soon. |
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martha615
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England
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 11:05:47 AM
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Quarabian, that is so sad.
I have to say that if I were to buy a youngster myself, there would be nothing more wonderful than a QH (or possibly a QH/arab but I don't know those). There is a market for western trained QHs, I'm sure, though I suspect not enough of one to make breeding profitable. I know my friend, Beth, just bought a QH gelding, a 3 year old. She's really interested western pleasure and trail riding, which is quite popular where she is in Sussex. She's also a lovely, lovely woman and I wish she'd had one of your QH's!! However, she's pretty happy now with the one she does have..... |
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AnnaMaisy25
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England
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 11:29:47 AM
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Quarabian - Oh goodness, I feel awful for you!
Would the polo world not be interested in any of your horses?
I have a friend who owns 12 polo ponies, and works at Cambridge polo club, and she was saying about two weeks ago that larger breed horses are getting noticed for polo...
And Arab crosses are the main contenders after Argentinian polo ponies!
Maybe speak to a polo club? xx |
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Pop
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 12:17:03 PM
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What a good idea.
I know a Polo teaching/training and playing yard, who only yesterday asked me to look out for suitable 3 year olds. They seem to have moved from South American origin/source horses to TB's. The brief was minimal, 3 year old TB's not to exceed 15.3 fully grown.
I will see them tomorrow and will certainly mention it; although I'm guessing there would be (at the moment anyway) a considerable price difference between a QH and TB?
Maybe a QH would be a good prospect for teaching horses? Not sure, don't know enough about it. Will mention it if you want?
If you could PM me a ball park price range, that might help the conversation? |
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Judith S
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 1:03:45 PM
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| Hi Quarabian, so sorry to here :( Can you pm me please, I have a friend looking for a young QH. |
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Judith S
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 1:05:52 PM
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| Martha615... the foal (now a 5 yr old) is my homebred Quarab, not sure where shes hiding her Arab 1/2.... she looks all QH :D |
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gossy
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 2:53:34 PM
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AnnaMaisy25
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Posted - 10 Jul 2013 : 3:22:13 PM
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I can speak to a friend and find out if he is after a new horse for polo... He's quite tall and finds it difficult finding a pony for polo!
One of yours may well be the answer! xx
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