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justine
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 Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 10:45:04 AM
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After the Genetics topic, Id like to know everyones ideal Arabian and why?
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The late EL SHAKLAN and The living Legend ALI JAMAAL. For me they are the opitomy of Arabian type. Great structure/conformation, move with elegance whilst showing extreme power, beautiful dished faces, very dry and typey, lovely hooky well set necks, chests with plenty of heart room, short strong cannons, long strong croups with good hips.... I can go on....
These are just 2 horses out of very many who have a good mixture of all thats required to be breed standard Arabians :)
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parkvillenerog5
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 11:04:47 AM
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PSY DREAM, big, bold, brave and bloody beautiful
fantastic conformation, movement, think he is 
Have to say past arabians though, EL Shaklan by far for the same reasons you have stated justine  |
      
Solitaire SR(psy dream x ltf wings of joy) Eywas Moonlight (Persie sir russel x Glynwyn abigail)Brookfarm Chorister (Brookfarm mr chips x Hopgarden Lilibet) |
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Jess.Austin
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 11:24:00 AM
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Totally agree with you Justine! El Shaklan and Ali jamaal for me also, hence why I am a big fan of Ludjin El Jamaal... These bloodlines are never out of fashion and bring great quality to the breed, solid conformation, tons of attitude, beautiful dry and typey faces, lovely necks etc etc
Jess
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natntaz
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England
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 11:45:52 AM
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| Justine, its great question, but for me not such an easy answer. I am not saying I don't like some of the modern arabians that we see now days but to me the head is important as it has to look pleasing to the eye but also it has to look like it can do a days work as well. I don't think I have a particular type but it does have to have quality as well. So for that reason I would say Radfan & Spearmint as I have two Fabulous gelding by them that are both versatile pretty and can both turn there hoof to most things, Plumbum PSY Dream & Adawi which is a surprise to me as I do not favour greys but they are stunning boys and look usefull and of coarse Padron and a lot of his offspring are stunning to. |
   
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basbob
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 1:31:11 PM
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El Shaklan - truly beautiful
Such a difficult choice....... so many incredible horses, but of those I've seen....
Khalil al Shaqab. As well as being beautiful, he has so much presence, truly macho.
Also Aryan El Thessa, another beautiful horse with presence.
On a female note I love Magora - another powerful horse.
My "thing", I think, is presence and movement, they can be physically beautiful but I need the presence to set them apart from the rest. |
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basbob
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 1:35:10 PM
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| Must add that 2 horses that have always stuck in my mind since seeing them win as babies are Athenaa and Judal's Mirage - adored the whole "look" of them both. |
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natntaz
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 2:52:30 PM
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Basbob, have to agree they do have to have a presence about to
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glo
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 3:16:45 PM
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I would like, good bone 9in plus, good conformation, good movement, solid with a leg in each leg corner, good shaped feet ( lot of Arabs have irregular feet) dished faces (not extreme) The list could go on and on. Must be up to carrying the people of to day, not the Arabs that are 15hh tall, and 6in wide that are very pretty but not good for anything except posing, and would have a hart attack if had to ever be ridden by someone over 8 stone.
Arabs had to carry men in full battle dress, some of today's Arabs are not up to that job, in fact they are not up to being ridden, we need the breeders to breed stronger, sounder, better conformation horses that are true to what the Arab breed is all about not the weedy weak deformed excuses that are in fashion at the moment.
Sorry it sounds harsh, but sadly its true. |
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honey
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 3:28:38 PM
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| el shaklan is very substantial and i like alot. I love plumbum for type also. basically pleasing to the eye but substantial, nice straight floating action and pretty head, that doesn't mean extremly dished |
    
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Jess.Austin
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 3:41:20 PM
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"Must be up to carrying the people of to day, not the Arabs that are 15hh tall, and 6in wide that are very pretty but not good for anything except posing"
Personally I think any arab above 15.3 starts to lack in Arabian type... perhaps just my opinion, however if you look up the characteristics or breed standards of an arabian horse you will find that it says they should stand between 14.1 to 15.2h!
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Callisto
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 4:03:09 PM
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"Must be up to carrying the people of to day, not the Arabs that are 15hh tall, and 6in wide that are very pretty but not good for anything except posing"
One of the best Arabs we have ever owned was a skinny chestnut just a tad over 14hh, he could hunt all day having hacked to the meet and home again afterwards (Carrying a 10 stone adult), was a great pony club mount, gymkhanas, X-country etc. When he died aged 30 his legs were still completely clean. There is certainly a place for Arabs of less than 15hh, they make great mounts for teenagers, and a lot of riders don't need anything taller. I'm not prejudiced against taller Arabs, Lily is 15'3", but I'd be just as happy with her if she was 15hh, and I'm 5'7".
I can't decide on my ideal Arabian - too many choices. Crusader would definitely be up there (performance and looks), loved Spearmint too.
ETA
This thread has some great photos of Crusader
http://www.arabianlines.com/forum1/topic_new.asp?ARCHIVE=true&TOPIC_ID=29386
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kate b
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glo
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 4:42:39 PM
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I did not say tall, and believe me I know that a Arab should not be taller that 15.1, they should be strong, well set, good hart and lung room, good legs and feet, how many times do we see Arabs advertised to suit child /small adult as they are not strong enough to carry a normal sized adult.
As I said Arabs should be strong enough to carry a man, and I suppose that means women as well, or are Arabs only strong enough to carry very small men and petite women.
My own Arabs are 14.2 and the 2 year old will be 15.2 plus and I am 5.7 as well, but some Arabs are like sitting on a gate, I prefer my horse to be bigger bodied, if we don't let the breeders know what we like how will they know what to breed.
I know what the breed standard is and the Arab horses of 25 years ago are not the same as they are to day.
I was saying what I like, which is what this post is about!!! |
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alan
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moonlight
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 5:38:38 PM
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| You beat me to it!!! Crabbet here too for showing , dressage, jumping, having fun, cuddling, being best friends, can't beat them. And you know what they say...if you can't beat them....! |
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kimgough
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 5:45:12 PM
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Got to be a really big mover for me. Al Waha's Narim had the most fantastic movement, also Sandhiran. Definitely Russians. |
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george
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 5:52:21 PM
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| Mmmmm, just because I like them...a lot Kubinec and Padron I also like Skowronec and of couse El Shaklan, I don't think I stick to a type though I just like them took as though they would be a very comfortable ride! |
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basbob
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 6:47:36 PM
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Kate b - thank you for those pictures - I love him!!!
kimgough - I saw Sandhiran a couple of years ago and he blew me away - there was a kind of sadness to him too that I can't describe...... God does he shift!
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Kharidian
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 7:02:13 PM
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That's easy - Mikhan of Pulpits (Mikeno x Dragonfly). He was the first Arab I ever knew.
He was versatile, from Golden Horseshoe at the age of 6 I think (attained a silver), Hunting, Show jumping, ridden showing, in-hand (lightly shown but attained reserve BNC as a veteran stallion), prolific sire of pure and part-breds, temperament to die for (regularly handed by teenagers - including to/from his paddock, up a main road in a rope halter), typy, unsurpassed movement (I've still never seen better), with terrific legs and sound until the day he died.
What a gentleman and what a horse.
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arabesque
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 7:10:10 PM
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| Camargue does it for me! There are so many others though, and different types, but I look for a beautiful horse, with presence and charisma, who would look after me across the desert and share my tent at night - a true best friend . |
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MinHe
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 8:37:05 PM
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El Shaklan was a very different type of arab to the norm in his day. I have to confess, I saw him as a 3yo and thought he looked coarse compared to the exquisitely dry, typey and refined The Shah who beat him for the title of AHS Male Champion.
My ideal Arab would be one with the structure, conformation and size of my old mare, who combined Crabbet correctness and height with Babson refinement, and the head of my double Aswan stallion Roupert. Alas, family health problems meant this was a cross I was never able to try.
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basbob
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 8:47:24 PM
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| Akrikhan Shah too - hell there's too many........ |
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natntaz
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 8:58:16 PM
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Kate b your boy is stunning
Glo i have to agree with a great deal you
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I also like them to have quite a bit
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Esther
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 9:00:20 PM
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The bay one in my field (and my sig). We've shared a lifetime together. 
(Procyon x Blue Quatrain (Sha'ir)) |
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RUTHIE
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 9:39:57 PM
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| I feel I have the right Arab for me. He ticks all my boxes. 98.6% Old English Crabbet. Plenty of bone, deep girth and all the 'Flash' I need. Good length hip to hock so I know he will be fast. Good endurance horse with elegance for dressage and with enough power behind to jump too. A good all round riding Arab.! |
     
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P.S
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Posted - 12 Apr 2012 : 10:04:09 PM
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| I think alot of the arabs that are fashionable have had an extremely good advertising team behind them- seems to me that with enough advertising/airbrushing and right handlers you could get a yack/arab into the top 10. It bewilders me how many mares are bred from that are 'lacking' and how many stallions are used from a glossy picture. Ever more distressing is how many horses are being placed in major competitions with club feet,weak/deformed legs and conformation that would never carry a roller let alone a man across desert in battle. Funny how thousands of years of selective breeding can be ruined in less than 100- whats with all this inhand OR ridden arabs- pap to that- Im looking forwards to the day that fashion goes back to dictating my arab can go and win the inhand classes in the morning, the undersaddle in the afternoon and then hack home 20miles! |
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Whats your ideal Arabian and why?
