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endurance arabians
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 England
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 Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 9:54:29 PM
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Hi sorry if this post is in the wrong place but im trying to work out the % of one of my Arabs his name is Kassalic Prince Tzar he is by Zspirit out of Princess Eloise.
Zspirit is by Aazari (Arazi x Mareesah) out of Hs Dresden (Piechur x Gai Radiant Dream)
Princess Eloise is by Jumall (Shah Gold x Ballard) out of Elounda (Abbas Ibn Zobeir x Shereen)
i can go back further if need be.
I was just wondering what % he is if its Crabbet Polish US etc. Im not very good on lines and %.
Hope someone can help me out. Thanks.
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Callisto
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Posted - 26 Jan 2012 : 10:42:00 PM
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Hi
To work out any horses' percentage of anything (e.g. Crabbet, Polish, Russian etc.), you add the percentages of his parents and divide them by two. If you don't know their percentages then you have to work back through the ancestors until you do know, and then work back down the pedigree to your horse. It is easiest to print off the pedigree from allbreedpedigree.com and then write the percentages on as you calculate them.
There are a number of names in your boy's pedigree that I do not know their breeding, however Mareschal is 94.48% Crabbet, Dreaming Gold is 100% Crabbet and Fari II is 98.44% Crabbet. Baiyad is 0% Crabbet but she is 100% Egyptian (she was bred in Egypt).
I can have a further look at the figures for you, but it will take a couple of days |
  Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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endurance arabians
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England
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Posted - 27 Jan 2012 : 10:05:55 PM
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Hi Callisto.
Thanks for your info all sounds very interesting im never been one for all this crabbet polish etc to me an arab was an arab its only since the last few years people been asking me there %.
Kassalic Price Tzar is on allbreedpedigree.
How do you know from there passport or allbreedpedigree what they are?? (crabbet, polish etc)
I can go back further if you need me to.
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 28 Jan 2012 : 11:01:09 AM
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He is on allbreedpedigree.com so you just go back to a horse you know e.g. The Shah is SE so 100% Egyptian. Picheur is 100% Polish. Sorry, don't know all the horses in the pedigree so I will leave it to Callisto as she has started doing it for you.
Some nice horses there!
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Edited by - barbara.gregory on 28 Jan 2012 11:02:45 AM |
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endurance arabians
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England
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Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 5:18:12 PM
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Thanks Barbara thats brill, i have to have a look back and try and work it all out.
I love to know more about his grand sire's as well. The Breeder didnt give me much info about his Dam's side of the family.
He looks very much like Aazari.
Ive heard of Banat (i think he was Polish?) as he is the grandsire of my late Arab again another horse i dont know the % of and i owned him for 26yrs.
So how do you know what they? I know some on Allbreedspedigree and in there passports dont have any letters by there names so i cant seem to work out what they are.
Also when they are GB next to there names what is this??
Sorry for all the questions and seeming like a dumb blonde! |
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Callisto
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Posted - 29 Jan 2012 : 7:22:40 PM
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If you look at the top of a horse's pedigree on allbreeds, where the name is, there is often a little symbol like an i in a circle, if you choose this then you can see what information is given for the horse, some have a lot more than others, but it can tell you who the breeder was, where the horse was foaled, if it was exported, and some have percentages.
The Shah was not only 100% Egyptian, he was also 21.88% Crabbet - these things can overlap because many of the Crabbet horses were exported, chiefly to the USA, Egypt and Russia. Anything bred by the Blunts, Lady Wentworth or at Crabbet Park are 100% Crabbet.
So far I can tell you that Aazari is 68.46% Crabbet, Piechur is 18.75% Crabbet and Jumaal is 55.08% Crabbet,
This is what the info box has to say about Piechur
AHR 290747, PASB 3583, AVS 7959, AHSB 20803
Bred by Janów Podlaski State Stud, Poland. Exp. to USA 1983; to Netherlands 1992; to England and Halsdon Stud in 1994.
All Nations Cup Champion Stallion
European Reserve Champion Stallion
US National Top Ten Stallion
UK International Champion Stallion
British National Champion Veteran Stallion
Polish Racehorse of the Year - winner of 8 Stakes races
Polish Triple Crown winner - Derby, Produce & Criterium
Piechur is Polish, but has double Naseem (Crabbet) in his pedigree, so he is also 18.75% Crabbet.
But a word of caution, anyone can post on allbreedpedigree, so the info can be incorrect, sometimes the wrong horse with the same name is put in etc., or wometimes someone has just made a mistake.
I am still working on your boy's pedigree, but we are having serious problems with our internet connection, so it is taking longer than I thought. |
Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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endurance arabians
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 01:10:27 AM
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Thanks Callisto for all this. It sounds so very interesting. He is so much like Aazari in looks as well.
Thanks for all your time cant wait to talk to you again
Thank you. |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 09:24:41 AM
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Callisto
"But a word of caution, anyone can post on allbreedpedigree, so the info can be incorrect, sometimes the wrong horse with the same name is put in etc., or wometimes someone has just made a mistake."
I was PMd on here several years ago asking me for details of my stallion, Spanish Crusader, as he was the sire of a filly her friend had bought (and was listed as such on allbreedpedigree)!!!! News to me as Sultan (his stable name) was bred by me, is my baby, and has never stood at stud so there was no way he could possibly have been the sire.
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endurance arabians
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England
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 10:52:31 PM
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| This is so interesting. when i put Harry on there i just copied it all from his passport but some names on his passport has US, POL, UK next to them i take it UK is British? POL is Polish and US is USA??? |
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Callisto
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Posted - 31 Jan 2012 : 11:21:05 PM
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Yes, they would be the countries.
I am still working on your pedigree - only got Elounda's dam line to complete now. There's a lot of American breeding in there, as well as Old English.
I can tell you that Zspirit is 54.24% Crabbet, and a great deal of his ancestors' breeding was done by Daniel C Gainey (US) (they include all the ones with Gai/Gay in their names plus some others) |
Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
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Edited by - Callisto on 31 Jan 2012 11:23:34 PM |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 01 Feb 2012 : 10:55:18 AM
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My mares, Crown Princess and Shalique, have SE after their names on their certificates/passports and despite being Straight Egyptians (SEs) it actually means Swedish as they were bred by Countess Penny in Sweden. There is actually a Crown Princess in UK (no relation to mine) but if she was exported she would then have UK after her name as there can only be one horse registered with any particular name in any country so horses with the same name in a different stud book have to have the country of origin after their name to differentiate them once they are imported.
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endurance arabians
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England
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Posted - 04 Feb 2012 : 10:44:13 PM
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OH my it is all very confusing but also very interesting.
For the past 27yrs an Arab to me was an Arab! but its only just these last few yrs and mainly since getting my foals back in oct that people were asking there % of lines, i was hoping to show one of my babies and this one im on about (my 4yr old) as both of them have lovely movments but then got told about crabbet classes so again i always thought that an Arab class any Arab could enter.
So now im so interested in finding out more about lines and Pedigrees.
Thank you so so much Callisto and Barbara all this info is so interesting thanks you very much. |
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