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Pasch
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2011 : 8:51:20 PM
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Little to add to the above,only that even if the chance of saving a starved horse is 1%,it's still worth trying.Unfortunately these things happen in our"civilized"Europe,too. |
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Rozy Rider
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wendymccomb
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Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 07:55:47 AM
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I have been following both mare and foal stories and initially made the same error of identification as Lynda did, although whoever would say that such an error is DAMAGING is cllearly being VERY overly dramatic. Really Lynda has done an enormous amount to help ESMA and all the horses in Cairo and we can barely thank you enough Lynda for the awareness and funds you have raised, far more I believe than most people could ever dream of. You are an amazing lady and we all thank you very very much.
Its fabulous that ESMA mare and foal are doing well and a terrible shame that the PFK mare died. For those of you saying she should have been PTS immediately you really need to go to PFK facebook page and look at Nana and PFK story, you will be amazed how much tougher these horses are compared to our Namby Pampyed english horses. I too thought these horses had nno chance at all and time and again have been astonished to see their recovery. Your western judgement (always so quick) needs to be worked on and maybe the people and horses out there wouuld benefit from your support rather than your criticism. Please bother to look at the FB site and read the notes and info sections, as well as the before and after photo's - this last mare was in much better shape than Nana so of course they had to give her the same opportunity of life. With the economic downturn in the UK we see all the time people having their annimals PTS 'due to changes in circumstances' its utterly disgraceful and I feel it is making all of us look at PTS as an accessible option in all manner of situations. you take on a horse for life (like a dog, yes!), if it becomes lame then so be it, you have a responsibility to this animal, rather tha pass it on and no longer know what has happened to it.........
Lets rejoice that ESMA's mare is thriving and be sad but supportive that PFK mare sadly passed away, at least her last hours where with people who cherished her. |
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LYNDILOU
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Paresh
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Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 09:00:52 AM
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| can some send me the links to the FB pages please, I must say the reaction that Lynda, got has actualy kind off put me off supporting the other group, I agree with Wendy, how could her post have done any damage? |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 09:12:51 AM
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| what worries me from your edited post Rozeyrider ,is that you say the ESMA actually turn better conditioned horses away? surely they should be rewarding the owners who keep their horses in better conition , otherwise they will think why bother ? actually making a point of rewarding for good treatment will be seen by the other owners as a good thing? Paresh just go on FB and put in ESMA that should get you to the place. |
   
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littlearabians
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Paresh
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Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 09:56:40 AM
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| thanks girls, missed out the E on my search |
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Pasch
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wendymccomb
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Posted - 13 Sep 2011 : 9:29:26 PM
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Thank you ladies, also glad you found the link to PFK site, the pictures and stories of these tough little horses are nothing less than inspiring and do at least make you see why they deserve a chance of life rather a quick decision based on english principles... it seems here in the UK PTS is the option when selling and loaning have failed, not a good attitude at all and pretty shocking for the younger generation to witness and even worse maybe take their cue from!
Please ladies do not be put off helping ESMA just because of the crass and ridiculous manner of a few zealots, there will, sadly, always be people like that on a FB site with over 12000 members.
I went to a meeting very recently with the two main ESMA UK members and they said the way things are done out there is a mystery to most westerners, there is always time tomorrow and quite amusingly we decided this may be to do with the lack of seasons... days and weeks seem endless, hot and with blue skies, which in turn makes time seem fairly endless as well. Deadlines are rarely met and even being on time seems to be a nationwide failing over there.
ESMA, PFK and ESAF are all doing their best for these desperate and sad pyramid horses and we cant turn away from them now. Kind regards, Wendy xxxx |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 10:34:00 AM
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Wendy, I fully understand what your saying regarding the difference to there in Egypt and a equine hospital here in northen Europe... however I still stand by that no horse as bad a state as the dead mare should have been moved in the VERY stressfull way she was... If the PKF peoples desission was to try and save her, they should IMO have provided her with shade, drip, fluids and food, and when she had come round a little bit, so she could be transported in a less stressfull way she could be moved. As said northen Europe or Egypt, any severly weak animal be that cat, dog, horse or something else, being put in a VERY stressfull situration like the mare was, quite often respond by dying.
The case of the dead mare doesnt make me not want to help, but I still think the way choosen of helping this one mare was the wrong way. |
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Pasch
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 1:30:13 PM
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| As much as I agree with Wendy as I said,littlearabians has a point there. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 3:19:20 PM
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The other factor thats got to be considered and come into consideration is..How long was it since she'd had water.(hoe many days weeks ???).
The Camel we saw was in a disgusting state.. not fed or attended to at all by the looks of thing..water whats that???.
There are vets and officilas in this neck of the woods that would have responded if asked I'm pretty sure.
Things do die without water.
Is the foal OK today do we know..or is that held up dehydrating some where locked up and will be past recover,and left to die... I wonder.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 3:30:39 PM
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This is the recovered mare & foal by ESMA on the 8th. Sept and now doing well with a little TLC and hand feeding, weaned and taking hard food and milk powder and after this mornings up date is in fine form, the vet Dr Hamid will be there today to check on them both & coming again on Saturday to make sure they are ticking over and continue the hydration treatement. Donations to ESMA are still required to help fund these two in their new life in Egypt. Or anyone in the GB can forward a donation specifically for these two..to me and joing out fund. alternatively you can donate direct to ESMA to support feeding the starving Pyramid horses when sometimes their number attending the ESMA Feed Days amounts to several hundred...410 recenly and has the benifit of Dr Hamad & Dr Mohammed Ali in attendance to help owners horses with treatment and advice.
See the links of the horse feed days above.thank you.(all horses and owners are recorded in the log and booked in on feed days and those that eat rations on the day also get the date painted on them. Each registered owner can take away a small sack of horse nuts 10kg to last till the next ESMA Feeding Day. Please support & donate to help ESMA to continue to feed these hundreds of pyramid horses without more funds and support these horses may not get fed.
8th September ESMA - Recover of Mare & Foal.
http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.261780347186623.71407.121866407844685
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wendymccomb
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Posted - 14 Sep 2011 : 11:06:04 PM
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The only vets in the area that could have attended with a horse ambulance is The Brooke, who refuse to come out to a horse after 4pm...... Rozy Rider and Lickle Arabians so blithely make their statements; you are not on the ground over there and like any incident observed by different people there will be several different versions of the event. Yes, Dozy Rider, how long had the horse gone without water... I don't actually know and neither do you.... what does matter is that left with the owner this mare would have certainly died, what Marte and her friends did was try to SAVE her, your condescending and supercilious remarks are so unwelcome. sadly, this mare did not make it back to their stables, where, previously, horses in very similar states (ie the western world is gasping in SHOCK & HORROR) they have made a remarkable recovery. Lickle Arabians as a breeder have you never lost a foal or a mare? They did their very best and tried to SAVE this poor mare and all you can do is criticise and tell them from your 'far more experienced' HIGH HORSE that they made an error in judgement. As perfect people and horsewoman I do wish you would go over there and solve all the problems then. AND they are still negotiating to bring the foal to their stables so it will have a different, hopefully much better start in life. Maybe some words of encouragement, wow what about sympathy, a small whispered well done. Do you all know the saying
"Its Impossible", said pride; "Its Risky", said Experience, "Its Pointless", said Reason, "Give it a try", said Heart.
That's what they are doing out there, USING THEIR HEARTS and trying. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 12:37:09 AM
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| Wendy, I appreciate your viewpoint, but I think it is rather unnecessary to insult two of the members of this forum by calling them Dozy Rider and Lickle Arabians. It merely serves to undermine your post. I would also like to point out that Rozy Rider has constantly raised funds for ESMA since this crisis first became apparent, as well as keeping the issue live. If you did a search on here for the previous threads concerning the Egyptian horses it might give you a fuller picture of the amount of concern, sympathy, encouragement and actual material aid that has been shown these horses by members of this forum over the past months. |
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sab2
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 06:51:25 AM
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Please do not start insulting people , i know that RozyRider has been doing all sorts of fundraising .not on this site but on egb, without people like Rozyrider and Lyndilou bringing this to our attention and helping to fundraise there would be a bit less money in the pot for these poor horses. So come on guys lets all be positive here at least this mare and foal are now in safe hands and please keep up the good work everybody  |
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Paresh
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 07:30:22 AM
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Wendy,because this post was started I sent £10 to
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/princefluffykareem
not a huge amount but if everyone who had no idea about the plight of these horses read this post and did what I did they would be getting a good bit of money, and posts like yours are not neaded and will put people off donating, I do read your frustration crying out through your post, but being rude does not win people round to your cause. |
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wendymccomb
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 09:21:59 AM
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Good morning,
Apologies to Rozy Rider; if you look on your keyboard you will see it was a typo (r and d very close together, easy mistake when in bed using your laptop by bedside light only) especially as I wrote ROZY rider the first time and I actually thought it was lickle arabians, my darling cat is called ickle Lil so i certainly don't see the word ickle or lickle as an insult.
Wow you are all very sensitive when someone else speaks their mind yet it is fine for your friends on here to be insulting, cast aspersions, be critical and un-sympathic to Marte and others in Egypt.
My point was that people over there are doing their best and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't but at least someone with a HEADT is doing something. Sadly, you only see what you want to in my last message which was about yourselves and yhour own feelings and ego's, for me its about over 400 starving horses and supporting - be it through encouragement, funding or just prayers what people over thede are attempting to do......
Enjoy your day ladies xxxxx |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 09:43:09 AM
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I think this has turned into something I dont wish to be a part of, so will after this not comment in the post...
Im not on a high horse thinking Im better then the people in Egypt trying to help, and I will not abandon my own horses to let them be neglected to go to Egypt and help other horses... But I will at any time stand by what I have said in this post.
who in their right mind would call a stud LICKLE Arabians.... as much as I respected your first post, I now think your just throwing mud around and cant take you seriously.
ETA proper spelling or the words this and Egypt. |
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Callisto
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 09:49:06 AM
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Wow you are all very sensitive when someone else speaks their mind yet it is fine for your friends on here to be insulting, cast aspersions, be critical and un-sympathic to Marte and others in Egypt.
Well actually they were only speaking their minds, and in my view were voicing concern for the suffering horses, rather than being insulting, casting aspersions, being critical or unsympathetic.
Sadly, you only see what you want to in my last message which was about yourselves and yhour own feelings and ego's, for me its about over 400 starving horses and supporting - be it through encouragement, funding or just prayers what people over thede are attempting to do......
Actually my post was partly trying to let you know just how much Rozy has done through encouragement, raising funds and keeping this issue alive to help the brave souls who are doing their best over there, sadly it appears that you only see what you want to also.
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 10:27:20 AM
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Oh dear , this is not good, this thread was about the suffering of the poor mare/ mares in the pictures and what if anything could be done to help the situation.
Wendy is a good hearted soul who is part of the ESMA UK charity team and does amazing work for the horses in Egypt. I am sure she didnt mean to offend anyone and and she has already apologised , I hope there is room enough for us all here. |
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littlearabians
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 12:11:18 PM
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ESMA FOAL & MARE RESCUE UP DATE.
17th. September 2011. 11am (BST).
About an hour ago from Egypt.
Mare & Foal Recovering well, Dr Hamad will come back on Saturday to see them both.
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wendymccomb
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Posted - 15 Sep 2011 : 11:28:35 PM
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Rozy Rider - I apologise
LITTLE Arabians - I apologise
Whom ever else has taken HUGE offence I also apologise... mostly I would hate for any of you good ladies to be put off donating to a very worthy cause..... I totally agree that aggressive, obnoxious, blow their own trumpet, pushy people do turn you away from a good cause, yes????
Can I also suggest that who ever said Lynda's error of identification (between PFK mare and foal and ESMA mare and foal) was 'DAMAGING' should also offer their abject apologies for such nonsense talk to Lynda Free, who does an enormous amount of work for these sad and desperate horses.
Might I just add before leaving your site for good, that the suggestion that Little arabians go to Egypt was not meant literally, a problem on here I think.
Enjoy your lovely horses girls xxxxx |
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deeply saddened ..............pix
! that was a shock to open up to, welcome to A/lines Wendy