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Kharidian
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 Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 11:01:54 AM
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I've been a lurker on this thread as there are two sides to every story! However:
Chris - Just a thought, but maybe the mares had been in foal, but bringing them home to where you'd now got a stallion brought them back into season?
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weirton
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 11:19:36 AM
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We always sent mares home with a copy of the scan pictures named and dated by the vet. All fees to be paid before leaving the premises.
In the case of Anglos, Weatherbys don't send the covering certs very early (TBs usually pay in October) so it's essential to have a receipt for payment and covering details too.
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chris wesley
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 11:52:36 AM
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Breeding horses for some 30yrs I doubt it , I already owned 2 stallions a Spanish and an Egyptian. The mares were scanned twice allegedly, with weeks between scans . We didn't bring them home till just over 3 months later and I am always conscious of travelling horses home so gave them a good journey back. When they came home they didn't go near a stallion . It was when we covered another mare with our newly purchased stallion that we noticed one of the mares showing interest, so we had them tested again . This was when we found out that they were both empty BOTH !.
In the end we used our own stallion , both mares foaled the following year to him.
You are absolutely true Caryn , there is always 2 sides to every story and this one is mine . |
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glentullock
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 4:26:36 PM
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| I'd like to state, that I have paid in full, the mare is of 60% arab all I wanted to know is if anyone elses covering certificate took nearly a year and numarous phone calls to recieve it, I am not looking for a fight for pointing fingers but everyone I know had there's then collecting the mare from the stud. All I was asking is it commen to wait this long, I think this whole tread has been taken out of context. |
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chris wesley
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 6:32:02 PM
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You are right glentullock you should have received the covering certificate when you collected the mare . If the stallion owner was waiting to receive the covering certificates they should have at least informed you of this with a promise to forward it you once in their possesion. I suggest you write to them requesting the covering certificate with a threat of legal action if it is not received within 14 days . I understand how frustrating it is when you have paid for a service , it appears you have been more than patient having waited 12 months or more .
Good luck & let us know the outcome . |
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pintoarabian
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 6:34:47 PM
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| Stubs for Covering Certificates are supposed to be returned to the AHS by the end of September. Mare owners using our stallions are issued with their Covering Certificates in the August of their year of covering, earlier on request. This is just so that the mare can return if she slips and that the final date of covering will be correct. In my opinion, it is not acceptable for a stallion owner to refuse to issue a covering certificate if all fees have been paid. I would wish for every drop of Arabian blood to be accounted for in any foal that I bred. It would not be acceptable to me to use a pure bred stallion on a part bred mare of mine and have none of his blood recognised. I hope that you can get the situation resolved. |
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glentullock
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 7:39:54 PM
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| Thank you to everyone who has been supportive and not just slagged the situation off, as it turns out the sud had a phone call about my post and have recieved a message asking of such thing, i have to point out i havent named and shamed or slagged of anyone, i mearly asked advise of such matter as i have never heard of waiting 11 months for a cover cert, wen details were let with the stud for a month at time of cover and numouros calls were made to arrange to collect in person or leave with a friend of whomed been up there on a number of occasions, i was only asking for advise on the matter and did mean to upset or anger anyone over this matter, i am now hopping that this will be the end of the matter and i recieve it shortly, ill keep u updated. |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 16 Jul 2011 : 9:24:04 PM
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glad to hear they contacted you, hopefully you will be able to get things sorted out.
this post however has made me a bit worried after reading Tamilas post.... I will contact AHS on monday as if the case is that any mare owner can do that without proving payment and DNA I will close the public book for my boy. |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 11:21:56 AM
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I too was amazed at Tamila's post. It is wrong that the AHS should give out covering certificates to mare owners. They are for the stallion owner only. However, I do wonder if it was at the time when things were a mess there.
I had some problems and they said they would look through my file and try to sort them. When I rang back they told me that there was a covering certificate for "X" (a well known stallion) without the name of the mare he had covered in my file. That was easy, none of mine! They said they would put it to one side and hopefully someone would ring and it would get soreted!
I am really pleased that the stallion owner has finally contacted you; this thread has had the desired effect! I hope you don't think that I thought that you were in any way to blame. As I stated before, if you had paid all the fees there is no reason for them not to give you the covering certificate. At least you know where not to go to for a stallion another year! I have always dealt by word of mouth so far and it has worked really well, no problems and everything as agreed, thank you Delyth, Steve, Delyth (again), Jones,s etc.
Makes me glad that I have never stood my stallions at stud although it would be lovely to see some foals out there and watch their progress.
I hope you have a lovely foal Glentullock.
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jackiedo
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 1:21:40 PM
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I don't think that people were having a go at you personally, the discussion just "evolved" around usual practice and reasons to withhold. I am really sorry if I have caused you any upset.
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glentullock
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 8:18:49 PM
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i am not upsetat the treat evoling, but I for one would never write on here if i hadnt paid in full or done my homework reguarding regerastion, or % of mares. the thing that upset me was the narky message from the stud for putting this on here even though i havent named and shamed, i dont like confronting people, but as most have you pointed out that seems common practise you recieve your covering cert when collecting mares or on result of scan, all i wanted to know if any one had waited this long or never recieved it and wot happened next.
many thanks for all your comments and support
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Vik1
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 9:32:45 PM
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| Maybe theyve lost it?? Are stallion owners able to get another copy from the AHS if this has happened? Or do they only issue one and that is it? |
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littlearabians
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 9:50:01 PM
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Vik1 we can get as many as we like, and also get them backdated by one year if you lost the one from a mare that has just foaled... so that cant be stallion owners excuse...
glentullock.... I can understand why stallion owners nasty contact upsets you, you haven named anyone not even yourself, and nor your mare, so no one on here will know who stallion owner is.... however the person must have a bad taste in their mouth if they choise to react on this topic... hope you will have the trust to send your mare to someone else in the future if you are to breed again.
topic has surely made a lot of people think twice about different things... trust to stallion owners, mareowners and even to the AHS. |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 17 Jul 2011 : 10:44:51 PM
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The AHS are only doing their job and I 100% agree that they should not issue covering certificates; that is for the stallion owner. What if they had issued a covering certificate for my stallion who was supposed to have covered a mare I have never even heard of let alone covered with my stallion?
Sadly there will always be people who are less than ethical and trustworthy. Maybe I have just been fortunate in having almost always (with the odd exception) dealt with people who were honest and ethical. Again, thank you to those who have been trustworthy and a pleasure to deal with.
I have in the past paid thousands of pounds, cash in hand, for horses to be picked up at a later date with no receipt for my money and have never had a problem buying; selling has been a different matter!
Glentullock, I hope you get your covering certificate and that it won't put you off using an Arab stallion again. Most of us are decent people who are let down by the few bad apples.
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arabdream
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Jul 2011 : 12:14:54 PM
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I have had issues of Warm blood stallion owner who insisted on cash, and after I paid all my fees and keep refused to give me a covering certificate or receipt for the money I'd paid him.
I don't think it's fair for foals to be used as bargaining tools, for money on either side. Small claims courts are there for that !!
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