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Meraut85
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 Posted - 03 May 2011 : 08:11:50 AM
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Hi
im trying to track down any info/photos of my mares dam and sire, i can find their blood lines but nothing actually about them =( If any one has any info it would be appreciated as i would love to know some of her history.
Her Mum was Paris Pride and her Dad Dedja Des Forges
Thanks
Paula
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 04 May 2011 : 10:14:24 AM
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Might help if you tell us her year of Birth and her registered name and if poss where she came from/who bred her??.
and if she's already on the all breeds site. leave us the link to the info.
Also, if you enter her name in the posting title it might make more folks look...
Plenty of folks on here will be able to help you..
French bred horse.
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Meraut85
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Posted - 04 May 2011 : 1:06:02 PM
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she was born 1998 i believe in the uk then went out to dubai until 2006 no idea who bred her unfortunately
her registered name is Par de Deux, she doesnt appear on any of the breed sites, i was only able to trace her sire/dam from her passport
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Slave 2 Magic
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Posted - 04 May 2011 : 3:14:33 PM
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Info from NED
Date of Birth 19-Apr-1998
Gender Female
Colour Chestnut
Height
Sire Name DEDJA DES FORGES
Dam Name PARIS PRIDE (NOT AHS REG)
Breed Partbred pt I
Submitted by Arab Horse Society
Studbook/Section Part Bred Arab (not verified)
Birth Country United Kingdom |
West Yorkshire
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Lin123
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Posted - 04 May 2011 : 11:58:09 PM
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Dedja Des Forges - Pure Bred.
Won 2 races from 3 starts in the UK setting a course record at Nottingham. Sire of Race Winners in the UK. Carol Legg's ex-race mulitiple winner French Lieutenant has gone on to be a very successful Endurance horse and there are other ex-racers by him also competing successfully down the Endurance route. Sundance who posts on here is a mine of information and I'm sure he can add a lot more. Sorry but I have no information about the dam.
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Meraut85
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Posted - 05 May 2011 : 08:01:40 AM
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Many thanks for all the info =)
Par de deux is classed as an partbred/anglo arab but i cant trace her at all
Paris Pride was a US racehorse i have found her on the all the thoroughbred pedigree website but again no photos =(
i'd love to know what my mares sire and dam looked like
Lin123 - If you could ask Sundance i'd be very grateful!!
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 05 May 2011 : 10:02:41 PM
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 Spasiba 2001 Chestnut filly (s.Dedja des Forges (FR). This roan/Chestnut mare was the property of Avon Thoroughbreds in 2004, presented for sale at Ascot Arab sale that year, not sold(I was there this day and I was there the following sale where she was sold..I think we helped load her up.)
NeNada - 2001 Grey Colt (GB) also by the stallion Dedja des Forges(Fr), also property of Avon Thoroughbreds and with Kelanne Stud in 2004. Lot 166 at Ascot Aran sale.
also same sire:-
Charming 2002 Grey Filly AHS.(s.Dedja des Forges (FR)/Sucha (GB).
Dedja des Forges(FR) 1990 Chestnut stallion.AHSB Vol. XVII.No.0151/1994. I was there the day he was Sold at Ascot Arab Sale 2005.Property of Darley Stud Management Co.Ltd.
2 wins in UK, has been at stud and is sire of winners. own brother to Djari des Forges.Darley have a list as long as your arm of farms in the is country..and they have farms in France too.
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Avon Thoroughbreds was something to do with Larkinglass Stud,( Mrs Harrington's ex.Conkerwell).
Also, remember that these horses your talking about have French names, maybe some one could check the French register for the dam..etc..
and The Shk has stables in France too.
At one Ascot sale several TB (UAE) mares turned up some with foals.to be sold..(( nothing bearing your dams line as far as I can see). Horses had come from France to be sold at Ascot on occations too.
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Have added her to the allbreeds, any further info ???.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&horse=PAR+DE+DEUX&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=
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Get someone with the AHS registers to check for Par de Deux...1998, and see where she is registered France, UAE or GB ???
It costs £300 to transfer registration to GB, this might not have been done if the dam was pure bred and registerd out of GB.
and I know we've got AI, but where was the horse Dedja des Forges(Fr), stationed in 1997.???
and Do you know who had her in UAE and where she was(which stables).
Where did Carol Leg (Hillside Arabians) get FRENCH LIEUTENANT from, he was born the same year, and there is another one by this sire from 1998 & 1999, so where was he stationed then.. ?????
Lin....Is NeNada Alex's horse???
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Melynda
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 09:45:13 AM
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| Paris Pride was a US racehorse i have found her on the all the thoroughbred pedigree website but again no photos =(
i'd love to know what my mares sire and dam looked like
The only american thoroughbred race horse I can find is
Paris Pride
born 2002. Dkb/br mare.
Owner: Clarence R. Crawford
Breeder: Joe Adcock
And according to "January 2011 Mixed Sale January 24, 2011 10:00 a.m Barretts, USA."
RACE RECORD: At 2, once 2nd; at 3, one win, 4 times 2nd, 3 times 3rd; at 4,
three wins, once 3rd; at 5, unplaced in 1 start. Totals: 4 wins, 5 times 2nd,
4 times 3rd. Earned $96,660
PRODUCE RECORD: 2008 unnamed c. by Globalize.
2009 c. by Snow Chief,
2010 not pregnant
Mated April 1 (2010)and BELIEVED TO BE PREGNANT to Snow Chief
Don't think this is the right mare as your horse appears to have been born in 1998 before this Paris Pride was born.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/paris+pride
There is an english Paris pride, thoroughbred mare born 2001 by Paris House ex Pride of Whalley but she is to young too. |
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Lin123
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 9:05:52 PM
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Yes Sue, Ne Nada is Alex's horse, Liz Harrington raced him for a season when Kizhi was a 3yo. I seem to recall (could be way off the mark though) that Liz had Deja Des Forges standing/available at Conkwell/Larkinglass (Avon Thoroughbreds was the Thoroughbred part of the breeding programme) She had Sucha on breeding loan and I think she had maybe 2 foals by him as well as my 3 by Khairouan and The Wiking and of course Ne Nada was bred there too. Liz had quite a few of the Sheiks stallions available at the time. For info Charming started an Endurance career last year.
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kastell
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 9:47:11 PM
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Hi, there is a Paris Pride on the French SIRE website (French database for horses) it gives no details of her breeding just Foreign Saddle Horse (OES), although she has 3 offspring registered, I am not registered for that service, so did another Internet check & found the details of her foals, then cross checked them  ;
99' filly, Pazaree by Zacan el Baraka
00' colt, Panaz by Zacan el Baraka
01' filly, by Frere des Loups
All originally registered with the AHS UK as partbreds. Also managed to find that the breeder for all 3 is Sheikh M. Bin Rashid al Maktoum. Also found that Paris Pride is noted as by an Arab out of a Foreign Saddle Horse (OES) but no names given.
If you telephone the AHS UK they should be able to tell you Paris Prides breeding, if they have it.
Hope this helps!
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Lin123
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Posted - 06 May 2011 : 11:48:52 PM
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Sue, just to add that French Lieutenant was homebred by Carol out of her adored mare Sihrea Crystal (Crystal Magician). Dazzling Dream 1999 (Dedja Des Forges x Autumn Dream) was also another of Carol's homebreds.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 07 May 2011 : 12:56:42 AM
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Hi Lin..Was Frenchie AI.& Local
Off subject a touch:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zacan+el+baraka Zacan el Baraka.
Dedja des Forges(FR)1990-AHSB Vol.XVII (1994) sold at Ascot sale 2005. Saw him sold..
Frere des Loupe (FR)1993 -FRSB Vol.8. Lot No.254m property of Janah Management.saw him sold.at Ascot Sale 2007. catalouge for sale. |
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Lin123
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Posted - 07 May 2011 : 11:36:37 PM
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Hi Sue......I shall hopefuly see Carol next weekend racing at Taunton so I'll ask her and Meraut85 hopefully Sundance will be there too. I've also remembered another that Carol had.....Fair Deed Dash (Dedja Des Forges x TFA Ashajan) purchased from Ascot sales in 2004 who, I think, won 3 races. It's looking like Dedja Des Forges was a favoured racing stallion at the time. I see there is a registration number for FDD on EGB but no entries.
Linda x
Edited to add that Dedja Des Forges was sold for £1100 to Derek Christopher Bloodstock in 2005. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 08 May 2011 : 01:19:05 AM
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Hi Lin. The charities split is on the net already...
Did DDF leave the country after sold.. got a feeling he went to UAE???.
I'll try to add all his offsprings to All Breeds, that might be helpful.
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Meraut85
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Posted - 10 May 2011 : 08:02:51 AM
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Many Thanks for everyones help looking into this i really appreciate it!!!
I believe my mare was born over here then shipped out to Dubai when she was younger, she came back into the country in August 2006 when i bought her. I believe she was definitely bred by Sheikh M. Bin Rashid al Maktoum. as he is down as the only owner on her passport
Hi Rozy Rider- I know its a long shot but were there any photos of him anywhere, or is there any old websites i could check to see if i can locate a pic of him?
I really am stumped by her mum,i will check through her passport again tonight to see if any more clues e.g. if she was a gb mare, usa etc
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 10 May 2011 : 2:54:17 PM
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Is it a GB passport and if yes what do the Arab Horse Society say, they keep the records.. even if she is Part Bred.. they may /will have the notes.
Fair Deed Dash( born 2000) was the Property of Darley Stud management co.Ltd' From Kelanne Stud ( Bill Smith)
There very well could be pics of him from the past, I did have a quick look at the Darley site, Shk Mohm has a list of farms as long as your arm in Norfolk, if you have a good google you'll find them..
I have one of the old Race Mags for 2002, I'll look there,but you could do with going back to the 1997 ish, when he was covering.
ANY ONE GOT THE OLDER Race Reviews ???????
I'd guess at Mrs Harrington - them Conkerwell, might be worth a try.
and....Water Farm, they had at least one of the shk's stallions. Dr. ???? they went to France more recently.
B. Smith might know if you go ARO racing..he's usually about.
The shk will be over here now or very soon, might be worth chatting to James or some of the other staff. or ex.staff..
Do you know which stables she was with in UAE ????.
I remember someone making enquiries abou this Paris mare before..
Do you think she might have been born in France..???spose be good to find out where the horse was stood when she was covered..or A1..
Lin is going to ask..Carol ( French Lut..) when she see's her at the races(ARO) soon..
You might have to find(google0 some of the shk's older stud references..
Or get Paul to come on here and tell us what he knows..
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Lynda
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Posted - 10 May 2011 : 4:48:35 PM
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| Why not try to get in contact with Godolphin Management in Newmarket. They would surely be able to answer your questions. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 10 May 2011 : 11:04:38 PM
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Found this.
2nd dam
Djala – Placed twice dam of 5 winners:
Djari Des Forges (1989 f by Cheri Bibi) – 2 wins inc. Criterium Arabes and placed inc.
3rd Group 1 Dubai Stakes. Dam of:
Djarni Des Forges – Won Prix Val D’Adour Grp. 2, plced 2nd Prix Du President
Des Abu Dhabi Grp. 1, 2nd Coupe du Sud-Ouest des Arabes Grp.1,3rd Trophee
Du President Des UAE Grp1, 2nd Leading 3 yr old. Sire
Djarisa Des Forges – Won 3 races inc. Prix de l’AFAC Grp. 1, 2nd La Coupe
Goffs France, Prix de Carthage-Hannibal, Grp. 1 Zaabeel Stakes, Grp.2 Al
Nahayan Stakes, 3rd Trophee Des Ecuries Royales.
Tidjari Des Forges – race winner
Djou Tu Des Forges (1997 c by Djouras Tu) – 2 wins and 5 places inc. 3rd Prix
Manganate Grp. 2.
Djani des Forges (1998 f by Tidjani) – Winner in UAE
Djad’Or Des Forges (2001 f by Tidjani) – placed in France and UAE
Dedja Des Forges (1990 c by Cheri Bibi) – Won 2 races from 3 starts in UK setting a
course record at Nottingham. Sire of race winners in the UK inc. Jebel Ali Silver
Final and multiple winner French Lieutenant – now leading Advanced
Endurance performer and handicap winner Glastonbury Pop. |
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Lin123
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Posted - 11 May 2011 : 12:20:04 AM
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I'm really kicking myself now.....I had reason to speak with Liz Harrington today on another matter and this subject went right out of my mind  I can confirm though that Liz had Dedja Des Forges standing at stud at Conkwell along with other stallions for the Sheikh and his brothers (Khairouan and The Wiking to name a couple as I have horses by them and Liz is the registered breeder). No use trying to contact Conkwell as that ceased and became Larkinglass and then that ceased when Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum ceased his Arabian Racing breeding programme in the UK a few years ago and the stallions standing with Liz either went to Ascot Sales or were moved abroad. I will write to Liz and ask her if she can shed any light on Paris Pride but she's helping me out with a delicate situation at the moment and I don't want to put her under any pressure. I'm wondering if Par de Deux was part of the Sheikhs Endurance and not Racing breeding programme, a sport of which he/his horses still compete at very successfully.
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Posted - 11 May 2011 : 12:54:13 AM
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Hi Lin,
The hunch was correct, In 2004 he stood with Conkerwell & Liz Harrington leaving the link.. two references to him standing there..scroll down..
http://www.arabianlines.com/racing/Paul_Simmons/Review2005.htm
Any idea when he won at Nottingham, which year.
In 2005 We (I) was at Ascot when he was sold..£1100 ?? Ron or Derek.. Ron was 6'tall & about 60.
listed as property of Darley Stud. from Kelanne.
His brother was at stud too- Djari des Forges...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zacan+el+baraka Zacan el Baraka.
Checkout the progeny of Zacan el Baraka...lots in French..!!
Cheers Sue..
Quite a list in the Sunday ride at G.H. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 12 May 2011 : 10:29:24 AM
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Found two horses by the same stallion and entered for the Ascot Arab sale in 2003, as from Conkerwell Stud.The property of Mrs Harrington. Conkerwell did have Dedja Des Forges around that time.
A change in circumstances and Mrs harrington stopped dealing with Arabs, so the Arabs went.
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nag965
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Posted - 15 May 2011 : 4:14:47 PM
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Hi Everyone,
Yes Dedja des Forge,was indeed standing at Conkwell Grange stud for a number of years. They always had a lot of TB mare's there which they covered with the Arab stallions to produce a slighly larger horse suitable for endurance so I would guess your mare would have been born there which would fit with Sheikh Mohammed Bin Rashid Al Maktoum being down as the breeder. I know somewhere I have Dedja's stud card, will have a search.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 15 May 2011 : 8:30:25 PM
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So it looks like Melinda's Paris Pride - (2002) mare is too young to be the dam of your Par de Deux. I found another thoroughbred mare, same name but this one seems to be too young too. Leaving the link just for info.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/par+de+deux
It crossed my mind that Mrs Harrison did keep quite a lot of TB horses for the racing. Just maybe she was one of those. Paul Kearnes was the trainer there.
Now wondering if the stallion was with Conkerwell in 1997, when the mare was covered..born in April almost confirms a UK birth.
SOUNDS LIKE KESTEL's Mare.....Above..
Keep at it.
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Lydz13
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Posted - 16 May 2011 : 11:10:32 AM
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Originally posted by Meraut85Hi im trying to track down any info/photos of my mares dam and sire, i can find their blood lines but nothing actually about them =( If any one has any info it would be appreciated as i would love to know some of her history. Her Mum was Paris Pride and her Dad Dedja Des Forges Thanks Paula
I used to work at Conkwell Grange Stud when Dedja stood - I am searching for him if anybody knows where he is now? I was lucky enough to work with the likes of Wiking, Khaddouj, too many to list!
Edited to say, I've been racking my brains about your dam, because I worked at the stud at the right time and I believe I remember "Paris" details are fuzzy because being a groom, I remember their stable names as oppose to full names, so I could be entirely wrong. The Paris I remember was a small mare, about 15.2hh and a palomino with a really sweet temperament. She was definitely not an Arab because I had the TB/ Anglo mares in my block, I can even remember which stable! 2nd in from the left on the front of the top block... A bit sad really... :)
He was an amazing stallion to work with, much personality! PM me if you would like to know more! ;) |
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Lin123
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Posted - 16 May 2011 : 2:43:46 PM
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I've pointed Paul (Sundance) in the direction of this topic so hopefully he'll have some more to add when he's not too busy.
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