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maryann
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 Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 3:26:30 PM
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Do you think temperament is in the bloodlines in which you breed or the way said horse is brought up..
I was having a conversion with a friend of mine the other day regarding some of the temperament's on my horses and they off spring that they have had and wen looking closer at the bloodlines it seem to be a certain bloodline that is more temperamental than others...
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Kazzy
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 3:44:02 PM
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I think a bit of both. You can breed for temperment example mare and stallion both have fantastic temperments then treat the foal horrible and it starts to distrust human beings and turns nasty even though both parents have great temperments.
My gelding has a laid back approach to life like his sire but every so often shows signs of being a airhead like his Dam was. She was what some people call a *typical chestnut mare* myself I say she had character
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Callisto
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 3:47:14 PM
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I have had 2 part-breds, an anglo and a pure-bred all descended from Ringing Gold (daughter, grandson and two great grandsons). This was not by plan - we bred one from his daughter (my childhood pony), the other two I only found out their breeding after purchase - obviously I was just inexplicably attracted to them  , they have all been different, but they have all been clever, brave,possessive of their people, enormous fun, loved to play and very very stubborn when they decide they are NOT going to do something. It is definitely in their blood. We have had 9 others (purebreds and non arabs) who do not share the breeding or the characteristics, so I know it is nature rather than nurture. (Had them from age 5, from birth, age 4 and age 9 respectively, so different people responsible for their early lives).
Oh I forgot to add bossy, they have all been extremely bossy |
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Fee
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 4:06:41 PM
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I remember studying this at uni with regard to children. From what I read I came down on the opinion it was 60% environment and 40% genetic. Personally I would consider it roughly that with horses too. No definitive answer but fascinating topic when you read all the cases like identical twins separated at birth and brought up in very different environments.
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SarahA
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 4:21:44 PM
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| Well I think that genetics have a huge part to play, but that's just my opinion and not based on facts, I am sure environment does have a part to play aswell, but I have known really truly wicked horses that have all been bred from the same stallions??? (both tb not Arab) the two stallions I am thinking of, one seemed to produce horses that bite and kick, and the other very changeable horses to ride. |
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MinHe
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 5:37:45 PM
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My chestnut mare was said to be very similar in attitude to her grandsire by someone who knew both, so clearly heredity plays a part. My young stallion is also very similar to his sire in attitude and interests, but they have been brought up together, so some could be 'learnt' behaviours.
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 7:31:45 PM
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Temprement is hugely influenced by genetics,
The lady who bred my boy spent a huge amount of time and effort finding the RIGHT stallion and mare combination for everything including temprement and it reallly shows, he's so kind and gentle and generous with his affection..
where as a BEAUTIFUL anglo mare I had out of THE most kind and gentle purebred took all her traits from her mother and was a handful to say the least!
They were both treated in exactly the same way by me and both had a wonderful start, nature not nurture prevails I think
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 9:07:46 PM
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I am sure temperament comes mostly from bloodlines !
this colt is my 4th generation of breeding for temperament ( as well as all the other things I desire )but I put temperament top of my must have list. this young man has the most beautiful nature , kind. sensible, and willing to please, a pleasure to own 
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s.jade
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 9:14:30 PM
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I have two mares, same sire and both brought up VERY differently. However, both are still very hot-headed, wilful ladies, who wind up at the slightest thing... most certainly not a laid back temperament there so quite sure there's a lot to be said for genes!
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maryann
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 9:19:26 PM
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| Thank you for all your replies..I have a half brother and sister out of the same mare but both have very similar bloodlines.(Great grandad of filly is grandad of the colt).Both have been brought up the same way but totally different in temperate.(I know a colt can be sharp but have know filly's sharper).The filly is sweet and easy to be around were as the colt is totally the other way..I have a mare that is of similar bloodlines that we bred from with our own stallion and again the same handling was given to the foal and i fined that she can act silly sometimes..If i sit down and workout the bloodlines of said horses they are all closely related.. |
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debs
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 07 Apr 2011 : 9:42:39 PM
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My friend once bought a gelding by (I think!) Roundhills crowning glory??
When she got it home the lady she worked for who knew an AWFUL lot about blood stock had a fit!
she said ALL colts/geldings by that stallion were a nightmare but if you got a filly they were great
And BOY was she right!
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Kharidian
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 09:54:31 AM
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I think it is both environmental and bloodlines - but I would say it's about 75% down to bloodlines (just my opinion) but there are some bloodlines I definitely wouldn't want.
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NatH
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 10:06:46 AM
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 10:18:38 AM
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This is a really interesting subject. Given that certain bloodlines produce certain traits (be it spooking, easy going, quiet or fiesty!) what bloodlines would you not have or if breeding cross breed?
I'm not expecting names here (don't want to start a war!), but just perhaps the different arab types, i.e. what do you think of Russian x Egyptian blood. Is this likely to be a good mix or one to avoid?! |
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barbara.gregory
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 10:48:40 AM
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I think the finished horse usually reflects nature and nurture. I have had two "bad" foals i.e. agressive and not friendly but with patience both turned out fine. One was by a stallion who I was told had sired many foals like mine when I was moaning about my colt and saying I didn't know what to do with him. However, I was also told that with correct handlimg and patience they turned out fine. It is so true, he is my "baby" and a real pet.
A good temperament can be ruined but I also think that a not so goos temperament can be cahnged with love and parience.
There definitely are lines with hot temperaments and I have been told of mares who always produced "nutters" although I personally haven't seen the horses in question but have heard the same comment from several people.
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 10:58:59 AM
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I recon a touch of Polish makes for a touch of feisty, so brilliant for the endurance world where it is important that the horse has a bit of'grit' for the higher milages. Of course a great Crabbet fan here for the ridden disciplines. Plus gorgeous Babson and love our 'Golden cross' mare. All types have thier special 'properties' but very importantly a happy home environment makes for happy, sweet natured horses. Nature+ nurture = the almost perfect horse. (One that can groom and tack itself up would be really pefect, Ooh and muck out too). Don't forget to cuddle a horse today!
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TAE
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 10:59:00 AM
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BOTH are very important.
I think the genetics give a basic blue print for disposition and environment can then seal and exagerate the traits.
Genetics will effect hormone levels etc that will influence temperament.
Handling also effects so much. The extremes of which seem to mostly occur with stallions.
I would be very surprised if any of the loving soppy stalions mentioned on here have ever been beaten or locked up in the dark.
Unfortunately some people expect them all to be difficult monsters and beleive they have to assert themselves and take control(Beat them up). Thus creating a self fullfilling prophecy, What would probably have been a normal if highly strung horse becomes a stressed out loon who feels they have to strike out first.
When I bred from my old mare I unfortunately saw both extremes when viewing stallions. |
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maryann
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 11:17:06 AM
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| I don't want to single a stallion's name out because i don't want to cause a war but it seems to come from the Russian lines in my pedigree's... |
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arabianrio
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 11:56:21 AM
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I had my boy age 11 years. He was kept as a stallion by his breeder till 5 yo .Then he only had one loving, knowlegeable home before me.He follows his sire and dam as far as I know. He is very laid back ans sensible yet also very bold.
He can also be bossy if I don't watch out...ooh and argues sometimes too ( May be just normal Arab then)but most of the time he is lovely. He is mainly Polish lines. |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 2:02:37 PM
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The way some liveries keep horses indoors 24/7 does produce an unmanageable horse but several I have known had the same sire and were "difficult" |
    
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 10:30:24 PM
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No doubt in my mind at all, in my experience genetics are a very strong factor, I can think of innumerable examples to support this, though as Barbara rightly says a sweet horse can be spoiled and a sharp one can learn to trust and like people.
I am absolutely of the same mind as Lynda ... I believe that good temperament is the essence of the Arab and a naturally foul tempered(as opposed to spoiled) horse, is off type and should not be bred from.
For me good temperament does not mean a quiet or dull horse but a clever, friendly, interested horse who engages with their human and will form a strong partnership. I like a bit of spirit and va va voom but for me an Arab horse, to quote again a Bedouin boy I spoke to a few years ago, ''is special because he is your friend''. 
Also agree with you Alistair, solitary confinement does not bring out the best in horses. |
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jaj
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Posted - 08 Apr 2011 : 11:41:18 PM
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My little chap has the most gorgeous of temperaments but then so do both of his parents and he has always been surrounded by lurve !
He also lives out all the time with access to his stable whenever he likes so is very relaxed , very sociable though - he loves to see what is going on and is such a people horse.
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Babyhorse with same boy (sorry getting bit late in the day).
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LYNDILOU
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