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pinkvboots
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Posted - 17 Jan 2011 :  10:06:11 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pinkvboots to your friends list Send pinkvboots a Private Message  Reply with Quote
How horrible for you, I too have been chased by dogs in the past I think all dogs should be muzzled in public places it would stop allot of unnecessary attacks on horses and people. I only carry a short whip Arabi is like a rocket if you carry anything longer than a crop, and yes I would use it to beat of any vicious dogs or there owners. also to add what a rude man hope you gave him a mouth full back.

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zooscat
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Posted - 17 Jan 2011 :  6:11:27 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zooscat to your friends list Send zooscat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I dont necessarily want dogs muzzled - owners - yes, probably! I just want them on leads, under control, when riders are in the vicinity! I now have a medium dressage whip, with a bright yellow hi viz end to it, to wave at motorists and dog owners!
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Zan
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Posted - 17 Jan 2011 :  9:05:31 PM  Show Profile  Visit Zan's Homepage Bookmark this reply Add Zan to your friends list Send Zan a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Arachnid

I am not a dog owner so I dont know the answer to this, but why dont people routinely muzzle their dogs?


The answer to this is ---why don't people routinely train their dogs, or keep them on the lead if they know they can't control them around horses and other livestock? I would be very sad indeed if responsible dog owners had to muzzle their poor dogs in public because of the irresponsible owners. My dogs are all under control and it would break my heart to muzzle them--many dogs really hate muzzles, and they wouldn't be able to do all sorts of things like play with other dogs, pick up balls etc.etc. when muzzled.

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Callisto
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Posted - 17 Jan 2011 :  10:00:06 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Callisto to your friends list Send Callisto a Private Message  Reply with Quote
With regard to dogs, and if you have read my previous post you will know that I have had serious problems with them, from the other point of view, my mother has a standard poodle puppy. He is still being trained and it would be fair to say he is very over exuberant. By no means do I mean to imply that he attacks horses, people or other dogs, he just thinks they are very interesting and he is very bouncy, large and white. Because of this she takes care to walk him in places where she is unlikely to meet people. However, a few weeks ago she met two riders on horseback out hacking with their small dog (they know us since they keep their horses next door to us and we are on friendly terms). Flurry was very pleased to see them and my mother couldn't catch him in time. Instead of waiting for her to get him on the lead they carried on, so Flurry followed them, and my Mother had to stagger after them (she is 68 with a bad hip) for over 20 minutes until he came back. So if a dog starts following you then it is a good idea to stop so that the owner can get it under control. Horses are flight animals and dogs are hunters - natural instinct is for dogs to chase things that run away. This is why I trained Buzz to turn and face dogs who were aggressive to him head on, and occasionally have ridden straight at them - it intimidates the dog rather than the other way round.

Obviously I am not suggesting that this is a solution for all situations/really aggressive dog attacks/ a situation where there is a pack of aggressive dogs. I would also add that the slight downside is that Buzz has grown to enjoy intimidating dogs, and quite likes chasing them and rearing over the top of them (hasn't hurt one yet). This tends to make the owners pretty keen to get the dog back and under control.

Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
Linda
East Sussex

Edited by - Callisto on 17 Jan 2011 10:07:11 PM
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pinkvboots
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Posted - 18 Jan 2011 :  10:07:58 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pinkvboots to your friends list Send pinkvboots a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have already commented on this subject but another thing I find that helps with uncontrollable dogs, if they are running around the horses barking and so forth, I tell the owner the horse kicks at everything and has seriously hurt dogs in the past they soon catch there dog and put it on a lead, mind you that is not entirely a lie my old mare who is no longer with us, she would really try and kick any dog that run round her legs and she really meant it bless her.


Edited by - pinkvboots on 18 Jan 2011 10:09:36 AM
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cmj
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Posted - 18 Jan 2011 :  12:45:46 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cmj to your friends list Send cmj a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Mine all get ridden western so I always have extra rein length to swing about as necessary but I use a wipwop (?) shortish bit of old lead rein minus clip and doubled up to give 2 short lengths with small loop for hand on one end, when starting youngsters. I can swing this round to encourage, slap bums with it to encourage thinking forward and the joy is that it doesn't sting at all like a whip, plus it is soft so doesn't hurt your hand/wrist if you did fall off.

Great idea about hi-viz tape, I might try to stick some on my wipwop.

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zooscat
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Posted - 18 Jan 2011 :  5:04:52 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add zooscat to your friends list Send zooscat a Private Message  Reply with Quote
All this is very good advice on dealing with dogs behaving like dogs and owners behaving in an ignorant/lazy/stupid manner! My point was that Aragon was OK to turn and face the Akita on the first incident, but the collie chasing him, herding him and diving in and nipping him would have made it wholly impracticable to use a whip or a wipwop as he was rearing so high I wouldn't have reached them, and I needed both hands to cling on!
I have planned to ride in more distant places, where Joe and Jolene Bloggs and their feckless dogs and children dont hang out, to ride early whilst famille Bloggs are still in bed, and to eventually, get my dog walking ladies to do de-sensitising work with Ari with their exquisitely trained gun dogs!
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