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brockle
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 Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 08:33:42 AM
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We watched this 'Vets' programme quite by chance and it certainly wasn't the ideal choice whilst eating supper!
Poor little Welsh pony mare who was so well behaved when even having her halter on must have been, at the very least, uncomfortable rubbing the sarcoids down her neck.
It would have been helpful if a real time line had been used as you had little idea how much time had elapsed between the start of Liverpool cream and 'tying off' treatment and the last clip we were shown.
It was very interesting as we have an elderly horse with one under her tummy. The view has been it isn't doing anything and not causing her problems so it has been left, but it is a flat warty looking thing and doesn't attract flies.
(Seems vets think flies can spread them to other horses!!)
It has never occurred to me that she could have been a danger to all the others. At 24+ it doesn't seem fair to tackle her now when she gets v agitated at anything new being done to her.
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Sue J
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 09:35:24 AM
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Hi Brockle.
Not sure about the flies spreading sarcoids but they can cause existing ones to ulcerate. My elderly mare had a similar one to what you describe. It was between her front legs and not doing any harm but then one summer it became ulcerated and bled. I treated her with homeopathic 'Thuga' and it dissapeared and has never returned. It may be worth trying with your horse, it won't do any harm if it doesn't do any good!
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Quarabian
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 09:45:21 AM
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| I've heard vets say they can be spread by flies. It has led to some livery yards refusing horses with sarcoids. I don't think this can be proven, but many people are scared of sarcoids. It is also one of the few things that has to be declared at Leominster horse sale! |
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gabriele ault
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 09:50:36 AM
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We have a chestnut mare who came to us with them on her face and under her belly, we treated them with tea tree oil and within 4 months they had gone and never returned.
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Vera
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 11:00:56 AM
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I watched this too and also heard Prof Knottenbelt (sp?) say that they can be spread to other horses by flies.
I knew that flies can make them spread on a horse already with sarcoids but the news that they can be spread onto horses without sarcoids concerns me. I didn't know this and certainly will make me think twice about having a horse with sarcoids as I wouldn't want my others getting them 
I'm not surprised that livery yards are refusing to take horses with sarcoids if this really is the case. |
    
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Edited by - Vera on 04 Nov 2010 11:02:02 AM |
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LYNDILOU
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Honeyb060674
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 12:55:03 PM
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I was sure they said sarcoids, unlike warts, were not contagious. They don't 'spread' as such. Some horses are just genetically pre-dispositioned to get them.
I've known horses to be treated successfully both by tying off & the 'magic' cream. I suppose it will depend on the size of the sarcoid too. |
      
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templars
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 1:13:42 PM
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I'm with Brockle - a little more information on timelines would have been helpful. For example how long had the mare had the sarcoids in the first place. There were a couple of throw away remarks that the previous owners had neglected her and that's why her condition was so bad but is that really true? (Don't get me wrong, I'm not supportive of someone putting a horse in a rescue centre just because it doesn't look pretty any more or has a medical condition). A friend of ours had a horse with a sarcoid between the eye and ear and they were advised by other horse people to leave it alone because it wasn't causing a problem. But her vet told her to get it treated. She did and the whole thing went into overdrive and her horse developed sarcoids down the neck just like the mare last night. And it all happened very, very quickly - literally a matter of a couple of months. During that time, she did everything she could to get it under control but it just made things worse.
When one of ours developed a tiny one, I was terrified because of what I'd seen happen with my friend's horse so I left it alone. Then mine knocked the top of it and it bled so I sprayed it with Cut and Heal and it just dropped off and has never come back.
I think sarcoids are one of the scariest things ever because you simply have no idea how they are going to react to anything. I just didn't like the implication that the mare was so badly affected because her previous owners had ignored the sitation. Maybe that wasn't quite true. |
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precious
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 1:19:15 PM
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Lanabanana
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 1:29:49 PM
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I'm sure they did say that sarcoids could be spread to other horses.
They did however say that the polyp that the greyhound had in its ear was a form of wart, but was not contagious like other warts.
I have been told by more than one vet that they don't really know if they are contagious or not.
I used to own a gelding (PBA) with a couple of very large sarcoids in his 'armpit', he also had a couple on his sheath, they were cut out leaving a huge hole which was then stitched. My vet warned me that they would probably return, but they never did and that was about 18 or more years ago. I suspected there was another one erupting on his back leg and as Doug says I doused it a couple of times a day with tea tree which is supposed to be an anti viral and it disappeared, although as it never came to anything I'm not 100% sure if it was truly a sarcoid.
ETA I totally agree with what Templars has said. I actually think that sometimes they are best left alone if they're not causing a problem or ulcerating, and I have also known them to drop off of their own accord, in fact one on my geldings sheath which couldn't be cut out due to the position did just that. |
     
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Callisto
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 1:48:44 PM
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Since Lily was diagnosed I have done quite a bit of reading up on sarcoids (particularly Dr Knottenbelt's website). There are various types, some respond to treatment, others are worsened by treatment, as described by Templars. According to the Liverpool University (Dr K's) website, Flies MAY be important in the spread of sarcoids across the horse.
I have attached the link to their sarcoid factsheet, I hope this is ok admin as it is not a commercial link, please remove it if it doesn't meet your criteria
http://www.liv.ac.uk/sarcoids/facts.htm
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gabriele ault
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 5:39:20 PM
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Another thing that can make a difference , if it is a mare , put her in foal, this can alter the immune system and the sarcoids are dealt with naturaly. A vet told me that.
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debs
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 7:39:02 PM
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Shame my Ali isn't a mare!!!
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angelarab
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Posted - 04 Nov 2010 : 8:04:54 PM
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Off topic, but the big gentleman vet who did the rabbits teeth used to look after my Trudy cat when i was still living in Blackburn,he always gave us the best treatment and hey Trudy is 18 in Feb so 
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Pony treated for sarcoids on Channel 4 last night
try it , nothing to loose.
