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navaho621
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 Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 1:13:32 PM
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Dont know if anyone is going to Llanybydder tomorrow, but just spotted there is a filly by Psynergy & out of a cob x arab mare entered. Cant understand someone paying such a huge stud fee & then entering her for a sale where she will be lucky to get £200. Hope she finds a nice home :)
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CatQueen
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 2:01:18 PM
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maybe they cant keep her if they have too many on.? no money about at the moment , people not buying . |
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navaho621
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Wales
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 2:16:25 PM
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| Very true, still you would have thought if they advertised her for a few hundred she would have sold, rather than take her there, ill be sitting on my hands tomorrow as i definitely dont need another. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 2:31:51 PM
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Can`t understand anyone paying huge stud fees anyway!!! and especially for a Part-Bred foal. Unless the mare is a proven stockgetter of really top class foals....then it is highly unlikely that the resulting foal of some superstud will even realise the covering fee???
I do wonder if stallion owners advise mare owners, when accepting less than perfect mares to stallions with huge stud fees, of this possibility.
Huge stud fee does not equal foal worth megabucks. Only have to go to the Sales to see this fact exemplified.
Babs
www.SunrayAngloArabianStud.co.uk
Do hope the Llanybydder sale Psynergy filly, finds a good home |
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joanna_piana
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 2:37:37 PM
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| I think i've seen her advertised on various sites so obviously hasn't sold. What a shame but hopefully she'll find a good home. My boy ended up there and luckily was bought by someone who brought him back to health before rehoming him so lets hope someone lovely buys her. If its the one i'm thinking of she looks in good health in her photo. |
      
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navaho621
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Wales
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 2:52:41 PM
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| I'll be there tomorrow so i will let you all know what happens, im hoping she doesnt turn up as we always seem to end up coming home with something in the October sales & i need another horse like i need a hole in the head! |
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weirton
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 3:43:00 PM
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How do we know how much the breeder paid for a covering? Just because the advertised stud fee for pure-breds is huge doesn't mean that's what a part-bred breeder paid. This pony is by a very local arab stallion and is therefore continuing what has been normal practice for decades, ie using local quality stallions to improve farmers native stock. Surely this is why the AHS has charitable status as one of it's main objectives is to improve light horse/pony breeding.
Please don't judge without the facts.
In the past we have bought some great ponies from LLanybyther sale, who have gone on to represent this country as jumping ponies, maybe this one will be lucky too. Lets hope so.
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clio
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 5:03:06 PM
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Should i go ?? shouldnt i go ?? should i go ??
Oh heck !! i dont know ... should i ??
Talk to the one with a sensible head on her shoulders later ... my daughter  |
   
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zooscat
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navaho621
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Wales
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 7:16:48 PM
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Weirton, i dont think anyone was disputing you can get some nice ponies there, i myself have had some good ones from there in the past. However it is a sad fact that prices are on the floor at the moment & they probably will be pushing to get a couple of hundred pounds for her, plus you also take the risk of her ending up in the wrong hands. Why not drop the price & sell privately?
Clio good luck if you do go to bid on her :)& if you would like a copy of the sales catalogue PM me your email address & ill send it to you. |
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JESSIEMAE
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 7:33:07 PM
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Wish I lived nearer, my lovely girl, Shulay Montana was sold there 17 months ago, for what, at the time, seemed a heavy price. Sooo wished she had been that price when I bought her five months later.
However after living with me for 12 months now, has proved her weight in gold. She is a fantastic ridden mare, easy to do, and the love of my life.
So the motto of the story is 'some of the best can be obtained at Llanybydder' so if you live near enough, get yourselves there.
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weirton
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 8:28:12 PM
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navaho621
I'm sorry I understood from a previous post that this horse had been, as a lot of others at this time, advertised and not sold. Even at rock bottom prices they are staying unsold, so what is the answer?
Also what about all the others at the sale are they less worthy of good homes because they have no obvious arab blood? All have the same feelings.
It is a bad time and may well get worse but maybe the seller isn't feeling too great about it either, I don't know.
God forbid any of us find ourselves in this position and are judged unfairly. I sincerely hope she finds a good home but likewise all the others.
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pat day
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 8:38:30 PM
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Sad, Sad, Sad, I hope and pray a true arab lover buys her,
Lets hope the dam is not in foal now, and the owner is being responsible in these very hard times. |
       
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oliviaw
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 8:40:10 PM
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Aww poor girl :( Hope she finds a good home!
Are there any other part breds in the catalogue? xxx |
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navaho621
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honey
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 : 9:51:03 PM
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| its a bad market for selling at the moment. Theres a gucci bred full bred mare advertised local to me for 900 and has been for a while and still unsold. Horses are advertised at 200 and 300 and there still advertised 2 months later, so maybe its the last resort, possibly unable to keep for cost so thought that maybe someone who could afford to give her what she needs will attend. |
    
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Holly
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Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 1:47:18 PM
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Nothing to do with the topic but I think that navah0621 did the right and sensible thing by posting about this part bred arab horse on here...after all it is called arabianlines because its members are arab enthusiats so obviously the most likely people to want to but this pony would be arab people.
I hope that someone can by this little mare and give her a good home as with all of the horses that go to sale.
good luck little mare
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weirton
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Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 4:13:08 PM
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Holly
My point wasn't that A liners shouldn't have been informed of the part-bred at the sale,of course it was the right thing to do, but that it wasn't fair to criticise the person selling the pony without knowing all the facts. Unfortunately this can happen all too easily on AL.
Let's hope there has been a happy outcome.
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 5:15:25 PM
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| Originally posted by weirton
How do we know how much the breeder paid for a covering? Just because the advertised stud fee for pure-breds is huge doesn't mean that's what a part-bred breeder paid. This pony is by a very local arab stallion and is therefore continuing what has been normal practice for decades, ie using local quality stallions to improve farmers native stock. Surely this is why the AHS has charitable status as one of it's main objectives is to improve light horse/pony breeding.
Jean
I agree though I must say, and this despite the fact that I make part of my living as a result of other people choosing to breed, in an ideal world (IMO!) no horse would go to a sales, all would be easily sold privately because only good horses were bred and only in such numbers that matched the good homes available ie far, far less horses would be bred. I went to Llanybydder once twenty odd years ago ( that was enough for me, I am still haunted by a tb mare standing in the pens there), However it looms large in my life, every month we hear the horror stories and see the 'rescue' horses and ponies often bought by well-intentioned people with neither the means nor knowledge to look after a horse or pony.
I do not dispute that some fantastic animals have been bought and sold there or that farmers need a sale for their mountain pony foals... which would then ideally go on to make children's ponies... BUT at the moment supply outstrips demand by some way and the only answer is to breed less, and better, horses... the owner of this partbred chose to use a good local stallion and pay accordingly.... far far better than using the cheapest option to get a foal of any description, the sad bit is not her choice of stallion but that there is not a ready market for what I suspect is an attractive, sweet natured and useful little filly.
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navaho621
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Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 10:07:13 PM
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| Well i spent all day there, i got home about 8pm tonight, so well & truly frazzled, but I'm happy to say, no sign of the filly, which is good really as prices generally were on the floor, even the coloureds weren't making much money. |
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Pop
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 09:07:26 AM
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I suppose this is very naughty but selling via a sale does not mean that you cannot select the buyer. I've seen it done a few times. The seller stays with the horse or pony in the stall and does not clear off for a chat with friends and a bacon butty. People come to ask questions and the seller 'evaluates' the potential buyer. If the seller does not like the potential buyer then he/she signals to the 'helper' to make negative comments, or just looks, about the horse/pony e.g.looks at teeth and frowns and shakes head; and the seller 'accidently' says negative things e.g. shes not too keen on traffic. I have seen it 3 times in all, two of the times the pony was sold to the selected buyer, on the third occasion, the wrong buyer purchases, so the seller made sure the pony trots up lame at the vetting. The other trick is to have the reserve so high, the horse doesn't sell, but the really interested people chase down the seller and make arrangements to discuss the sale.
All very naughty indeed, but not every horse/pony going thru the auctions is being thoughtlessly dumped. |
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moatside
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 10:51:58 AM
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| Totally agree with Pop! My Sec B mare was entered in a sale even though I had agreed to buy her - the seller upped the reserve price twice on the day to an unrealistic amount and advised "potential buyers" that the mare was a really bad loader (she was in fact a horrific loader!!). In this case it was silly and pointless as we had agreed a sale - I supppose she was just covering all options! |
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clio
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 11:10:01 AM
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| Sorry i didnt get to meet you at the sale navaho621, just so glad that this baby was saved from going through such a place :( i searched for her in the pens and did not find her so hopefully she has found a nice home. |
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Psynergy Filly entered for sales.
