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cbennett
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 Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 1:48:24 PM
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Hi, Anyone recognize the mare and foal in the pic, or have a good guess at her type or bloodlines. It is a very fine pencil drawing (approx 13" x 17") dated around 1898 and signed by the artist (something like Bowen?). It appears to be drawn from life and is more of a personal picture rather than a commercial one although it does seem to have been professionally framed. It's come from a house clearance in Abermule/Newtown. I've just had it restored so I'm not looking to sell the pic, but I do feel it is significant for the period and would like to know more of its and the horses heritage. Anyhow any info would be welcome.
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I thought she may have some Welsh blood in her but Dr Wynne Davies who was good enough to have a look at the drawing for me feels that she is more Arab.
Thanks
Clive
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Edited by - cbennett on 13 Aug 2010 07:28:45 AM
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arabianrio
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 6:54:16 PM
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| Sory cannot help with the pic but welcome to the forum |
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cbennett
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 11:00:12 PM
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| Hi and thanks for the welcome. I just love the picture and would like to find out anything I can about the horses in it. I've never had the pleasure of owning an Arab, having owned and bred mostly TB's and Native ponies. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 11:10:44 PM
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If you can find out the house/address, you might be able to find a name..bit of a long shot. (On the Genes Reunited.)
Did Dr Wynn tell you that there were a few Grey Arabian Imports coming in to the Country at that time and that there was a lot of horsey activities. Lots of the Officers were bringing them back from abroad.
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cbennett
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 09:48:52 AM
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Hi Sue, Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately I have no more information to go on other than the excellent drawing itself. I was hoping that somebody may recognize the type or bloodlines - she looks similar to Lady Anne Blunt's 'Sherifa' - therefore she may be of 'Crabbet' stock! However I suspect that the foal is the main subject of the picture. I'm intrigued because someone cared enough about the horses (or a family member) to either have had the drawing commisioned or was expert enough themselves to draw it. Either way it was probably unusual for it's time - it's drawn in soft pencil on very thin paper pasted to board. I have had it restored - it did suffer some foxing and water staining - so it's almost as good as new. I just think it is a lovely drawing (with a story to tell!). It may sound daft but it sort of talks to me .....!!!!!
Thanks again.
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cbennett
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 11:38:50 AM
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Hi Sue, Just some additional info. The Arab Horse Society have kindly asked Peter Upton to have a look at the drawing so maybe he will have some comments that will help me piece together the provenance of the picture and thus find out some more about the horses. I do take your point however that there was a lot of horsey activity going on around this time particularly in Mid-Wales with Arab imports and so forth, so it may be just someones favourite mare and foal.....
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Sue J
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 09:11:36 AM
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Hi Clive,
Welcome to AL. Can't help with the picture i'm afraid but good luck I hope you find out more about it. What a lovely find.
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cbennett
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 09:34:29 AM
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Hi Sue, Thanks for the welcome. I just have this feeling that the horses were special to someone - or maybe it just reminds me of sunnier days with my own horses back in the '60's and 70's. Aaah the memories. I think there is a Welsh connection there somewhere. I was told that the picture was found in a box of old stuff lying around in a garage and that it all went as part of a house clearance. The guy I got it from thought that it had come from a place in AberMule called The Mill or the Old Mill but I can't seem to find any traces of a property called that in the area! Searching on what appears to be the artists name - the best we can get is Bowen and a date of 1898 hasn't turned up anything either. This forum is my last shot. The horses deserve a name!!!!
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Hollyhill
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 10:08:34 AM
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A lovely picture. Have you thought of contacting the Abermule local paper/parish news or similar, maybe they could put a copy in their paper asking the questions?
Might help Good luck! |
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cbennett
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 10:18:10 AM
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| Hi, thanks for posting. Great idea which I'll certainly follow up. Clive |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 1:57:46 PM
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There is 62,ooo people with the name Bowen. You may be able to steamline your search through the Genes Reunitd site...if you've got the time to search.( you can get 14 days free). The place and year, and address can be checked on the census....
I've just found one man I was searching for through Genus Reunited...and been able to confirm the address, where and when he was born and his job...with horses.. and his father and family..for the year 1870, so dont give up hope yet..
Also do a google book search, to see if he's painting are recorded any wher else..
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NatH
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 2:08:19 PM
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Lovely picture but I wasn't around in 1898 so sadly I don't recogize the horses
Sorry only being silly, it is Friday 13th after all.
Hope you manage to trace them.
The mare looks rather finer that the Arab 'type' that would have been around then in the UK. |
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Athena
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 2:33:58 PM
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Officers mostly came back with stallions, although not always and there are not that many grey arab mares listed in stud books of the time. Having said that those listed were added later and maybe there were others not listed in our records because they never bred on. Grey mares breeding foals at the time that spring to mind would be from the Sherifa or Basilisk families of Crabbet but they were not the only ones.
Please post if you get a response from Peter Upton. A stud book search could well narrow it down especially as the early stud books printed the owner/breeder's address. Be lovely to know if you manage to identify the mare.
Some of the early mares were quite fine, if not ultra-pretty by today's extreme standards. The photos of the early Basilisk and Sobha lined mares were light boned but deep through like this mare. Very interesting. |
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cbennett
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Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 08:52:38 AM
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Hi Everyone,
Thanks for all the help and advice. Peter Upton has yet to come back to me but when he does I'll update the topic. You've given me some great ideas to follow up when there's time but for now I'm content with the fact that the drawing is of a 'quality' type Arab mare and foal, maybe of Crabbet stock! She(?)the foal is distinctive with her white blaze. I imagine her to be chestnut (or maybe dark bay) - with such a lot of presence.
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erica giles
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cbennett
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Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 10:52:17 PM
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| Hi Erica, sorry you can't open the picture - I'll see if I can pm it to you! Cheers. Clive |
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