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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 26 Jun 2010 : 12:54:13 AM
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Searching for more breeding for Cigarette this 13.2h Part Bred
Cheers Sue
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Lin123
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 10:08:10 PM
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Sue, next time we speak remind me I have some info for you.
I was speaking with Delyth Thomas today at Newbury and she is a mine of information with regard flapping and Cigarette came into the conversation.
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Lin123
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Posted - 01 Aug 2010 : 11:12:10 PM
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Sue, you need to e-mail me the info that you need at the moment so I can pass it on to Delyth (will see her next Saturday at Huntingdon) and then she said for me to put you in touch with her so you can ask any future questions re "flapping etc" direct. As I say she's a mine of information as well as having been involved with it herself.
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dormouse
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Posted - 11 Aug 2010 : 4:30:01 PM
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Info in regard to Signorina from General Stud Books at www.archive.org
A chestnut mare, bred in Italy, in 1883, got by Pacific (son of Thormanby), her dam, Queen (late Queen of My Stud), by Heir at Law, out of Verbena, by de Ruyter. Imported in 1892, with her foal and yearling.
1891 ch f Miss Andrew by Andred
1892 ch f by Andred
1893 b f Madame by Melton
1894 ch c by Dog Rose (died in 1896)
1895 b or br c by Blue Green
1896 b f Blue Queen by Blue Green
1897 ch c by Dog Rose (cut) – s to France
1898 ch c by Amphion
1899 ch f by Blue Green
1900 b c by Gambol
1901 by Gambol
1891 to 1898 progeny listed as bred by Mr R Sneyd. 1899 to 1901 progeny listed as bred by Mr J Williams.
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Melynda
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 2:08:08 PM
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Thank you Dormouse & Melynda,GREAT HELP...Thank You... I've now found a few more horses owned, around that time by Rev. Montefiore,some by Mootrub, it seems he had much to do with the Arab imports and the Bleddfa horses, I think. He also owned two foals out of the TB mare, Spree 1899, the daughter of Mr J. William's Signorina.
Just recieved the information in print of Mr Phillip Davies (1872), the breeder of Goldflake 1927 and his family, from the Cigarette inquiry in Landeilo.
Thank you both very much all this information is so helpfull.
Dormouse I wish I could get to see/use the archive site and also look at the Baily's Mag...how do you do it... can you give me any tips and do you have to be a subscriber..????.
I'm after Hunt info.. for the 1860 to 1920's ish...Will I be able to search for this in Baily's, can you tell me...
Help..
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dormouse
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Posted - 13 Aug 2010 : 6:50:24 PM
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If I want anything in archive.org I use monzilla firefox as a browser. The archive.org does not seem to agree with Windows Internet Explorer I don't know why but it always seems to crash with Explorer. Monzilla Firefox is a free internet download as long as you are happy doing it.
Other info that I have got Baily etc is from doing a google book search (no subscription/membership required). You can't see the whole book normally but snippets are shown. You have to vary the search to get as much info as possible. For example for Eheu search for
Eheu chestnut
Eheu stallion
Eheu Despair
it might sound daft but doing various searches seems to get the most information as each search picks up slightly different things.
You may have success with goggle book search for hunts from 1860s to 1920s but there are another couple of sites that may be helpful.
Master of Foxhounds Association - http://www.mfha.org.uk/
Under Find a Pack - They have a little info on all registered fox hunts in UK and normal a contact telephone number. The MFHA may be happy to help centrally.
Staghounds - There are only three registered staghound packs I think these days all in the westcountry. Devon & Somerset, Quantock & Tiverton.
Devon & Somerset Staghounds - http://www.devonandsomersetstaghounds.net/
The Association of Masters of Harriers and Beagles - http://www.amhb.org.uk/
Have a list of Harriers & Beagle Packs and a facility to e-mail them through the website.
If you get stuck for something let me know as my colleague is keen on hunting and knows a lot of the people who may have the information to help in the westcountry and perhaps further.
Hope this helps.
Suzy.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 11:53:34 PM
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Thanks Dormouse,Getting the hang of the snippet's and leaving a bit for Melynda reference Queen of My Stud.
The Racing Calender for the Year 1877. Races to Come. Volume One ...
C., J., E., and J.P. Weatherby - 1877 - Snippet view
King of My Stud, by The Heir at Law,
out of Ashmore bf Queen of My Stud, by The Heir at Law, out of Verbena — bc Sporting Country, by The Heir at Law, out of Biscia bc Light Boy, by Pirate King, out of Lady di Vergy ...
books.google.com - Book overview
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 2:19:03 PM
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Help needed.... a bit of help folks, Dormouse I think your better at it than me, so is there any chance you could see if you can find the Name (and any other info,like the owner at that time)of a Chestnut Colt born in 1903,s.Eheu, out of SPREE, the (d.Signorina(Pacific)mare,and any of Spree's children after this 1903 one....might also be helpful.
I think it will be listed in the GSB.Vol 20 or +,(I've got 20 and its not there) but I can't seem to find this colts registed name on line in the snippetts either. He may also be by EHEU (s.Dispair) and of interest to us for that reason too.
I am also after information on ZOOWAR, where he stood in GB and the number and details of all his offsprings and covering.
Fingers Crossed & Thanks in advance...
Sue
PS. Also after any reference to Cigarette pony racing in South Wales, she was sposed to be famous and a big winner....Cant find anything that attaches her to the racing in Sth Wales....Help wanted with that..poss books...
She may have been part of the Carmarthen Hunt..as her owner was the whip....Any info welcome.
Pelle, Can you tell me which NPS stud books youi have, the early ones?????, I've got quite a few now. but still a few missing... cna we do a swop again...
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Pelle
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Posted - 10 Sep 2010 : 9:05:40 PM
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hello sue, will look up what NPS volumes we have and let you know.
Last week I got 2 boxes from my mothers cousin in India with books about polo and breeding of poloponies in India from about 1890+.I have found a lot of stallions and mares arab-bred sent to england in early 1900:ies. Some names are completly unknowm but will try to find some information in my mothers attic where there is boxes everywhere with studcards, diary:es and magazines. |
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Pelle
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Posted - 14 Sep 2010 : 7:16:06 PM
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hello Sue,
I think the sale was in 1906, Radnorshire riding pony and polopony Ltd. didn't last for many years, my greatgrandmother had some stock from that sale sent to Bombay/India about 1908. Will try to look up all info I can find./Pelle |
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hollyland
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Posted - 15 Jan 2011 : 6:52:53 PM
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Found out the following information around the Spree mentioned above .(Polo Pony/NPS Reg) At time of registration, she was owned by Rev D.B Montefiore, who at that time lived at Mursley Hall, Winslow, Bucks.
It says Spree was bred by The Hardforth Stud, Co., Hardforth, Cheshire.
There is reference to Spree being shown as a yearling (presumably by the Rev Montefiore)in 1900 when she was 2nd at Crystal Palace. Also reference to her being shown 1901 at Polo Pony Soc Spring Show.
Spree's next owner was John Barker, The Grange,Bishops Stortford.Doesn't say when she changed hands.
Thought this may give fresh leads.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 12:44:10 AM
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Info in regard to Signorina from General Stud Books at www.archive.org
and provided by Dormouse for us...
A chestnut mare, bred in Italy, in 1883, got by Pacific (son of Thormanby), her dam, Queen (late Queen of My Stud), by Heir at Law, out of Verbena, by de Ruyter. Imported in 1892, with her foal and yearling ( listed below 1891 & 1892).
1891 ch f Miss Andrew by Andred
1892 ch f by Andred
1893 b f Madame by Melton
1894 ch c by Dog Rose (died in 1896)
1895 b or br c by Blue Green
1896 b f Blue Queen by Blue Green
1897 ch c by Dog Rose (cut) – s to France
1898 ch c by Amphion
1899 ch f by Blue Green
1900 b c by Gambol
1901 by Gambol
1891 to 1898 progeny listed as bred by Mr R Sneyd. 1899 to 1901 progeny listed as bred by Mr J Williams.
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ANIMATION M, ANGLOARABIAN TB, 1905 chestnut.
Breeder. Mr John Barker. Grange Stud.
Owner. Rev. D.B.Montefiore.Radnashire Polo & Riding Ponies Company. Sold to Tresham Gilbey and was Champion at Islington Show 1910. From The New Book of the Horse by Charles Richardson published in 1911. It may be added that the champion in the riding classes at Islington in 1910 was Mr Tresham Gilbey’s Animation, by Mootrub out of Spree, the last named a thoroughbred, by Blue Green, her dam Signorina by Pacific,out of Queen, bred by Sir John Barker at the Grange Stud, Mootrub was an Arab so that here is a perfect specimen of what one takes to be almost a royal road to Polo Pony breeding –viz, the mating of small thoroughbred mares, which for choice have played polo, with the Arab sire. We may add that Animation is quite an exceptional pony, extraordinarily handy, with the most wonderful manners one ever saw in a show ring. She is strongly built and short backed, and had big limbs, with grand bone, the Islington judges, Messrs Buckmaster and R N Grenfell stated after they had given her the championship that although only a five year old she was then fit to play in first class polo.
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Thought it might help with the dates. Still digesting what you've emailed and written..Wendy, so will be back later.
Signorinal also had a foal by the Teaser, and there may be others not listed here.
I think Signorina was sold at Doncaster by Mr Sneyd to Mr Wms... and then sold to Sir John.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 16 Jan 2011 : 10:18:19 PM
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Originally posted by Rozy RiderInfo in regard to Signorina from General Stud Books at www.archive.org and provided by Dormouse for us... A chestnut mare, bred in Italy, in 1883, got by Pacific (son of Thormanby), her dam, Queen (late Queen of My Stud), by Heir at Law, out of Verbena, by de Ruyter. Imported in 1892, with her foal and yearling ( listed below 1891 & 1892). 1891 ch f Miss Andrew by Andred 1892 ch f by Andred 1893 b f Madame by Melton 1894 ch c by Dog Rose (died in 1896) 1895 b or br c by Blue Green 1896 b f Blue Queen by Blue Green 1897 ch c by Dog Rose (cut) – s to France 1898 ch c by Amphion 1899 ch f by Blue Green 1900 b c by Gambol 1901 by Gambol 1891 to 1898 progeny listed as bred by Mr R Sneyd. 1899 to 1901 progeny listed as bred by Mr J Williams. -------------------------------------------------- ANIMATION M, ANGLOARABIAN TB, 1905 chestnut.(Mootrub/Spree) Breeder. Mr John Barker. Grange Stud. Owner. Rev. D.B.Montefiore.Radnashire Polo & Riding Ponies Company. Sold to Tresham Gilbey and was Champion at Islington Show 1910. From The New Book of the Horse by Charles Richardson published in 1911. It may be added that the champion in the riding classes at Islington in 1910 was Mr Tresham Gilbey’s Animation, by Mootrub out of Spree, the last named a thoroughbred, by Blue Green, her dam Signorina by Pacific,out of Queen, bred by Sir John Barker at the Grange Stud, Mootrub was an Arab so that here is a perfect specimen of what one takes to be almost a royal road to Polo Pony breeding –viz, the mating of small thoroughbred mares, which for choice have played polo, with the Arab sire. We may add that Animation is quite an exceptional pony, extraordinarily handy, with the most wonderful manners one ever saw in a show ring. She is strongly built and short backed, and had big limbs, with grand bone, the Islington judges, Messrs Buckmaster and R N Grenfell stated after they had given her the championship that although only a five year old she was then fit to play in first class polo. ------------------------- Thought it might help with the dates. Still digesting what you've emailed and written..Wendy, so will be back later. Signorinal also had a foal by the Teaser, and there may be others not listed here. I think Signorina was sold at Doncaster by Mr Sneyd to Mr Wms... and then sold to Sir John. Cheers Sue |
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