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sasha
Gold Member
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 Posted - 01 Jun 2010 : 09:51:55 AM
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Does anyone know of a REASONABLY priced Black Arabian at stud in Lincolnshire, Nottinghamshire, Norfolk area.
Please pm me.
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abz87
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NatH
Platinum Member
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 12:42:56 PM
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Natalie
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Zan
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Scotland
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 7:52:09 PM
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| I'm sorry---you'll probably think I am really rude for saying this---but to chose a stallion for your mare based on price and colour seems bizarre to me. I would have thought conformation that complements your mare's, blood lines and work experience that will suit the job you have in mind for the foal, and temperament should be way ahead as priorities for anyone creating a new life. |
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sasha
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jun 2010 : 8:07:53 PM
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Zan,
I am taking all the qualities you mention into consideration.
Obviously with a maiden mare I can not spend huge amounts of money on stud fees , not knowing what she will be like as a mum or a producer. |
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angel2002
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 1:55:26 PM
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Obviously with a maiden mare I can not spend huge amounts of money on stud fees , not knowing what she will be like as a mum or a producer.
Please tell my WHY you want to breed a foal?????
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Angel
Passion Arabians
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NatH
Platinum Member
England
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 2:15:58 PM
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I think if you are going breed your mare, then that is your choice. You shouldn't have to explain yourself to us A Liners.
I wish you all the best with your maiden mare, I hope it all goes well for you.
I do agree with Zan that colour should be one of the last 'reasons' on your list though. Temperament, confirmation, movement & suitability to your mare should be high on your list of priorities.
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Natalie
Chapel Lane Arabians
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sasha
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 2:16:45 PM
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Why do I want to breed a foal... why not, I could ask the same question of lots of people on here!!!!
It will be the first one I have bred for 15 years.. to keep for myself so what is the problem , I have my own house with land and stables, am at home 24/7. My oldest mare is 34 years old.. I have her son 16.... any more questions??? |
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NatH
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England
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 2:18:03 PM
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Well said Sasha |
Natalie
Chapel Lane Arabians
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 2:33:38 PM
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You sound like the sort of home who will look after and treasure your new foal of course if you can get all the goodies in one package at a reasonable price, but temperament should be the highest criteria, good luck finding the special stallion you want |
   
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sasha
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 2:36:33 PM
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Thank you very much.
By the way, the last horse I sold was 15 years ago.... any one else want to slag me off for posting on here??? |
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Cate
Platinum Member
Scotland
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 2:56:53 PM
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Well said Sasha! As NatH says "You shouldn't have to explain yourself to us A Liners"
Wishing you all the best in your in your search for a stallion, breeding and your eventual foal.
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pat day
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 3:15:01 PM
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Come on Guys, Calm down. |
       
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Callisto
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 3:15:28 PM
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| All the best finding the stallion you are after, hope your mare takes, and I'm sure you'll provide the foal with a loving home |
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lottieherts
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Delyth
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 3:30:26 PM
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| Presuming your mare is black ?? Black to black doesn't guarantee black does it ?? I'm sure the one Nat is telling you about is by Ansata El Salaam who himself was chestnut but produced numerous blacks. However he was super special though :)) |
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angel2002
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 3:33:24 PM
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No Sasha, no more questions and I wasn't slagging you off either!! I was just asking why you wanted to breed a foal after reading your post!
You said because your mare is a maiden you can't spend too much money on a stud fee as you don't know what she will produce?
How can she prove herself and produce you a lovely foal (that I can see you will treasure) if you are not giving her every chance to do so?
Sorry if you took offence, it wasn't intended but your post came across that you are not looking to pay for the best stallion who would compliment your mare just because it would be her 1st foal.
Good luck in your search.
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justine
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 3:36:26 PM
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I think Sasha was only asking for friendly advise. Go for it Sasha! As to the point of not breeding because we should only do it for the right reasons, that subject is always a hot one. I for one agree there are far too many people breeding for the sake of it and flooding the market. I dont breed to sell but if my resulting foal is not quite what I want it has to go. My small but intense breeding program means I can only keep the best. Im not rich too so I only keep 4 excellent mares plus a yearling filly who will take the place of her grandmother (illyria el jamaal, on sales page) and 2 2010 colt foals.
This year my mares will stay empty. I kind of feel bad not breeding them but im in doubt for a few reasons so I will wait til early 2011.
The breeding game is kind of a viscious circle that gets bigger. A stud breeds 15 mares, he keeps 2 best , 2 get sold for £2000 and the rest gifted. Maybe then the inferia gifted ones end up in a new stud farm and so goes on....with all the faults of the inferia foals increasing year after year.
Hands up! Im also guilty of gifting foals. I try to send them to wonderful people who love my bloodlines but will treasure my gift as a riding/pet/show horse. Also if I sell one cheap I hope the new owners realise a foal has probably cost me £5000 to breed. However, this is not the point, a super home is the point.
It costs a few hundred now to register/m chip (with vet costs) I hope this will stop non caring breeders (not just arabs). Doubt it though, it would be a free horse no papers, bhs passport.
Everybody should breed their own baby if they like too. How rewarding to see he/she grow into their homebred treasured horse.
Or professional studs who produce champions year after year.
Its the `bang mares in foal to try and make money` brigade, I hate.
I also breed Labradors, dont get me started on dog breeding  lol
Good luck Sasha. Hope you find the ideal stallion for your girl.
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sasha
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 4:10:51 PM
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Thank you Justine for all your remarks.
My hope is to find a boy that will suit my requirements to cross with my girl. To pay £1000 stud fee, plus possibly £500 with my vet if I go down the AI route, or weeks away at a stud if served naturally, plus the registering, DNA, etc is not guaranteed to get me the perfect foal....IS IT????
I am not interested in showing,so I may be able to get a boy who ticks all my boxes but has maybe not won loads of showing classes, but he hopefully still have the qualities to produce a nice foal for me.Having not bred with my 4 year old, what is to say what the outcome will be .
Delyth...I know black breeding to black is not guaranteed.. but it is if your mare is homozygous!!!
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vjc
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 4:11:50 PM
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Delyth
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 4:23:02 PM
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| This is me being very dull now (blonde please excuse !!) If a mare is homozygous then will she definately breed black ?? IE if you bred her to a chestnut/bay etc she'll breed black regardless ?? Sorry never bred/looked at colour that closely and now I'm intrigued !! |
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sasha
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 4:31:53 PM
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She could breed a black foal to a chestnut.. but only if the chestnut stallion DOES NOT carry AGOUTI...
But how many owners of chestnut stallions would know .. a lot have never heard of this... I have only recently found this out myself. |
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Delyth
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Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 5:49:04 PM
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| Never heard of Agouti at all !!! But googled it and came up with a rat like thing ;) Then found the colour testing site !! I'm sticking to pot luck colour selection.....much more fun !!! Good luck with your breeding, hope baby is all you dream of :) |
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highridarabians
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Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 07:32:49 AM
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Hi
If your mare is homozygous black then if you breed her to a chestnut stallion you are gaurenteed black as ALL chestnut stallions are homozygous red due to colour.
Very exciting for you good luck !
I think as mares owners it is our responsibilty to ensure that what we breed we are able to care for as the market is very slow. I myself breed very few foals for that exact reason
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sasha
Gold Member
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Posted - 15 Jun 2010 : 1:28:08 PM
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Vikki,
My mare can not produce chestnut, but can produce bay ( black base) to a chestnut stallion who carries the agouti gene.
Did you send your mare to stud Vikki? |
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Looking for black stallion
