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mogwai
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NatH
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 Posted - 12 May 2010 : 11:59:13 AM
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What a sweet filly, such a terrible shame |
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Di Ellis
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 12:13:56 PM
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Well done Ros.
The link certainly makes interesting reading and it was surprising that it doesn't always show when they are foals but later on during development stages; when it appears to worsen - like my filly did.
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pinkvboots
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karen d
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 12:56:53 PM
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Absolutely heart breaking
why in this day and age, with the advantages of testing are all breeding stock not tested
and why would a carrier be bred from
so so sad and such a waste of a life |
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angel2002
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 1:26:13 PM
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Totally agree Karen!
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Ruth_Cymru
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 1:45:12 PM
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| That poor, sweet girl. As a relative newcomer to the arab world I don't have much knowledge of CA, other than it's a BAD thing, but seeing that was just heartbreaking, worst of all is knowing that it could have been avoided. |
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alethea
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 1:47:53 PM
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Really really sad Poor filly.
Definatly a very good advert for getting your horses tested!!
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horsey
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 1:58:27 PM
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I don't think its a great idea to irradicate all the carriers from the gene pool. Its small enough already, as long as people breed wisely to tested parents, affected foals need never be born. You have to remember that a carrier parent will produce clear foals 50% of the time. Does that mean that he/she should never produce if he/she is of good enough merit, I don't think so. JMO of course.
Not being funny but I would imagine a very high proportion of the arab horses breeding out there are NOT tested for SCID or CA. So no doubt they are passing it on. The tests for all the arabian genetic diseases has only been available very recently and whilst that is an excellent thing if you remove every horse that carries one or more of them I don't think there would be hardly any left.
Just make good choices.
Versace (for example) suffered a major bashing for being a SCID carrier, now its WH Justice and some of his offspring for carrying CA...................who or what next?? (I have only picked these two stallions as they are famous, no personal vendetta meant)
If it wasnt for Versace producing SCID clear stock I would not have the beautiful horses I have now. |
     
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cmj
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 2:00:49 PM
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| How very sad. Very brave of them to post that too. Let's hope it makes people think long and hard about this when they are breeding foals. |
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lottieherts
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 2:34:51 PM
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| Pashon, my sentiment exactly! Breeders must test their stock before putting in foal, it's inexpensive and will save the heartache of having an affected foal. |
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mogwai
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Kharidian
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 3:59:29 PM
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Absolutely heartbreaking to watch that darling filly playing in the indoor school.
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vjc
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 6:02:45 PM
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| That was so sad to watch, despite all her problems she still tryed to play bless her. Very very heartbreaking |
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moatside
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pintoarabian
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sab2
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 7:11:42 PM
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| Heartbreaking , so very very sad ,poor little filly |
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Jinubi Arabians
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 8:54:19 PM
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It is a terribly sad genetic disorder, but then so are SCID which we can test for and Lavender Foal syndrome which sadly does not yet have a test for it, although there is lots of research going on with a potential identifier.
I totally agree with Pashon2001, it would be to the detriment of the breed should we not be able to breed to certain carriers and it is wiser to selectively breed knowingly as opposed to blind. Personally I think that testing is something that should be done when we have to have our young stock DNA'd for registration and as part of the registration fee (obviously increased to reflect this), if it was all done at that point at the breeders cost it might discourage indiscriminate breeding and also help to build up a clear database of horses within our breed society of those horses that carry CA and SCID which in turn helps people to make an informed decision when choosing to breed. Just my opinion of course! |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 13 May 2010 : 11:00:52 AM
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I think ALL breeding horses must be tested before matings take place, How many stallions in this country are TESTED? will you use one that isnt? I have a CA carrier colt by WH justice , but I know beyond doubt he will NEVER sire an affected foal.
some may say why not get him Gelded? because he is perfectly healthy and carries wonderful bloodlines that can breed on to be non carriers. also he is a quality colt with much to offer. we humans are also carriers of genetic faults. so dont get phobic about carriers at least you have the facts before breeding. |
   
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punkrocker
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Posted - 13 May 2010 : 4:45:06 PM
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It is very sad to watch, but what has happened
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 13 May 2010 : 4:51:35 PM
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I believe this filly has been pts. So severely affected at such a young age she would only get worse and become a danger to herself and others around her. If they are very mildly affected usually later in life then they can become pasture companions.
I do know of one mare that was affected but showed no noticeable signs (so no one knew and there was no test back then) and wasnt til she was bred that the problem showed in her offspring, so it does vary greatly from horse to horse. |
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horsey
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justine
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Posted - 27 May 2010 : 3:31:34 PM
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Poor baby.
Unfortunatly I had one born like this in 1998.
Filly - Mascat x Parabola (russian x polish)
She was born a big chestnut and very sweet.
Day 2 I noticed she stood up back end first like a cow.
Day 4 She looked at me with a loving face into my eyes but she had a tiny quiver in her head.
Day 4.5 - Vet! He could not explain. I read up all night and suggested it could be cerebella hyaplasia. We agreed! 3 vets later we all agreed.
12 weeks - It was time to let go. Mare knew! Baby is becoming a danger to herself, falling into fences..... she could have had a very painful death.
We took her to Dr Derick Knotenbelt at Liverpool Uni. We transported her ina padded trailer full of straw. She seemed to enjoy it! She was then put in a padded stable. The vets studied her (no tests, or harm, just watched, she was at peace eating hay). She was then PTS.
The conclusion was, the cereballa did not grow like the rest of the brain, hence the condition.
RIP Poppy!
We gave her to the Uni for study, for horses and humans. We felt we should. We could have had her PTS at home and buried but who would learn??? She knew and felt nothing, she was the happiest foal ever.
Parobola - Her beautiful mother produced more stunning foals. Mascat died an old man with many healthy offspring.
I am not being funny but all this talk of CA! Its rare! Yes, avoid if we can. I was unlucky, Im a very small breeder. Big breeders only see this 1 in 100 foals. (statistics guessing)
If one of my mares is CA, i would breed her, obviously to a negative stallion.
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Absolutely heartbreaking..CA affected filly
