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Libby Frost
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 Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 11:18:26 PM
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im laughing as i type this , but some folk are unbelievable arent they???
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barbara.gregory
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Roseanne
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 09:55:29 AM
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| I'm interested to know what happened Libby? |
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alethea
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 09:56:53 AM
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I could write a book on them !! lol. What happened Libby?
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Ruth_Cymru
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Wales
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 11:39:45 AM
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I know how you feel but I'm on the other side (I'm buying). Some people don't seem to realise that they're messing about with your emotions, never mind the time wasted. Take heart, there are genuine buyers out there  |
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george
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Wales
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 12:14:46 PM
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Had my fair share of them and they drive me insane, sometimes just a phone call to let you know they won't be coming would really be appreciated!! |
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rosie
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 12:26:25 PM
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I'm also a buyer & finding it so frustrating when the seller isn't honest with what they are selling.
Luckily, I manage to suss out most of the horses just over a telephone converation, but yes, I can see both sides of the coin. |
     
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Erica
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England
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 1:07:05 PM
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i know what you all mean i have 2 of mine up for sale and for the last 3 weeks some one from abroad is supposedly buying my stallion aja ben nazif he said money was in my account for 2 weeks every time went bank no money how surprising. talk about trying to scam a young girl. glad i was wise and knew what was coming. he even tried getting me to sort transport out before money was in my account. urmmm no money first, then transportion takes place afterwards you just have to grin and carry on looking for that one special person to come along and take good care of your loved ones
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jasjmm
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 2:46:53 PM
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| Erica, that last one is a money laundering/swindling scam.... |
    
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Libby Frost
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Roseanne
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 6:57:11 PM
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Well having read your PM Libby I understand just what you mean by timewaster! Apart from anything that is totally bad manners and so rude and selfish.
You can only charitably say that these people just can't realise how much time and energy goes into the process of getting a horse prepared and cleaned up especially to meet a prospective owner. To simply not show with no call or explanation is inexcusable.
I asked the question because I sometimes think people who come to see a horse, leave to 'deliberate' and then decide against having the horse, are considered timewasters. And that would be unfair.
I think you have to be prepared for a number of people to come and see and test the horse before you find the best home, for the horse and for the owner, and it would have to be time invested in the horse, rather than wasted.
I don't think time spent sifting horses or prospective buyers (on either side) is wasted time. For the buyer they want a horse of a lifetime - and if it doesn't work out they are faced with trying to sell the horse on or giving up their dream horse to keep the one they've landed up with.
For the seller, if it doesn't work, their horse (their responsibility!) is going to get passed on to Heaven-only-knows-who!
I think sellers should be totally honest too - but the world has many people who have been sold a horse without the owner being totally honest, and then have the dilemma of how to sell it on...
It's a very strange business selling horses particularly right now when there are so many surplus to requirements!
At least your boy didn't go to someone so unreliable Libby; that's something to be thankful for!! |
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Sundance
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Posted - 15 Mar 2010 : 8:38:57 PM
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I can see both sides of the coin as it were. I have dealt with many many timewasters, but for all of them there are some lovely genuine people who have been a pleasure to deal with and once they've bought horses they've kept in touch; its just matter of sifting through them on the phone (I tend to interview to find out if they re genuine). I have some amusing stories but they can be frustrating to deal with and waste valuable time, that said I know of buyers who have had their time wasted by sellers. I do think the modern buyer is extremely picky as to what they actually want, have extremely high and somewhat unreasonable standards and with a very small pot of money; its very odd!!! That said it is a buyers market so good luck to them as there are some very nice and very cheap horses on the market and even they aren't selling.....all rather worrying!
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alison
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 2:16:36 PM
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Hi Libby could you also pm me please as I have a horse for sale at the moment.
Thanks Ali |
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arabic
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 4:57:14 PM
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| Sorry to hear you are having problems Libby - keep your chin up! x |
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Vera
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 5:05:54 PM
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I am not saying this is the case in your case Libby but I find that anyone who doesn't buy the horse they have gone to view is labeled a timewaster  .
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ella
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 5:32:39 PM
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| Indeed Vera - one chap told me the lady I sent to see his breeder friend's chestnut filly was 'a timewaster', when it turned out that on close inspection the filly was a grey & hence it was my good lady friend's time that had been well & truely wasted! |
   
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Vera
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 6:06:18 PM
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| LOL that's happened to me too. I went to look at a black filly which turned out to be dark bay.... |
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Roseanne
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 6:52:58 PM
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It would be interesting to know just what the trading standards rules are on selling horses! To sell anything that isn't as advertised is an offence, and a criminal offence if dangerous I believe.
I'm always astonished when people sell on horses as safe and fit for people whose competence they have little idea of to ride, that are patently horses with difficult issues that no experienced rider would want, because for sure they'd be on something that didn't need the bother!!
I have a neighbour who is now on her second horse, sent up by a 'dealer' who her partner knows. She is a lawyer (duh!!) and a real novice who needs a horse that will take care of her. The first horse napped and threw her on the first hack; it was also unsound but was sold as reliable and a good ridden horse. It was returned as only suitable as a brood mare, though I wouldn't have bred from it in a million years with that unwilling, nasty temperament.
Replacement is a bay TB that clearly isn't wanted by anyone else, and it's already had this poor young woman cantering sideways down the road. This girl, who might have had a great life ahead with horses, and been a great home for a good horse, will probably give up altogether soon. I despair!
I wonder when sales description laws will catch up with the horse world? |
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moatside
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 7:16:38 PM
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| I have been to see a few lead rein ponies in my time advertised a "perfect kid's pony" only to find them all tacked up with a sweat on because they needed 20 mins lunging before you could pop a little one on lead rein or not!! Some people have no scruples! Equally I have been asked if my rising 2 yr old B filly is good in traffic/safe to hack out alone!! |
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Vera
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 7:39:27 PM
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Its a difficult one though isn't Roseanne.
I know a lady who sold an arab gelding as being suitable for a novice - and he really was good as gold. I'd known him for years and will vouch to this day how good he was.
The lady she sold him too very soon started to complain LOUDLY that she had been ripped off and that the gelding was too much for her....
The difference? Lady one used to ride Galerco 5 to 6 days a week, he lived out on a handful of feed.
Lady two kept him in, fed him up to the eyeballs and rode him once a week...... |
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Kharidian
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Posted - 16 Mar 2010 : 11:05:29 PM
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I was asked to accompany a family who were looking for a second pony for an average rider of about 10 years, to live out/hack/pony club etc. The pony was stabled and fully clipped out, ridden in the indoor school in a 3 ring gag. I innocently(?!) said I liked to see children's ponies ridden in a snaffle, and what was the pony like to hack "oh no, she doesn't hack" I was told "a child wouldn't manage her"! Pony also had a freezemark "L" which I knew meant loss of use and enquired about it; the owner was not happy to discuss that the pony had a very bad accident with a car and sustained loss of use through that. Needless to say, I told the family to walk away.
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Debbie
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 07:26:10 AM
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| Well I must be very lucky because just recently sold LR SP and yearling arab filly to first people to view, 8 chesapeake puppies all sold unseen, and yesterday had lovely woman fly in from Norway to view my 4 yr old (not even advertised for sale)and sale was agreed. Goodness, does that mean the next one I'm likely to have my turn of timewasters |
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marionpack
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 12:18:40 PM
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| Debbie I don't think you have been lucky, I think you have advertised exactly what the horse/dogs are like, so when viewed the buyer knows what they are seeing, I was looking for a ridden gelding for about 2 years and in that time found about 5 that I would have purchased, but through owners changing minds and horses failing vets it wasn't to be |
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suyents
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 7:48:10 PM
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First, well done Debbie with your mare...Lucky you!! :))
second, i too know of whom Libby speaks, so maybe we were being a diversion, who knows? Maybe the woman just couldnt face losing face. Ironic, that. |
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 11:14:16 PM
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| if you have no intention of turning up and are being nosy please at least make something resembling an excuse like " oh i need to speak to my husband/ brother/ sister/ Auntie mabel etc and will get back to you, not leaving sellers hanging around so when they POLITELY ring up to equire if somethings happened etc ( as to why prospective buyer isnt here yet ) then face up to your actions , and dont put the phone down as thats plain bloody rude |
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Timewasters - dont you just love em
