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Tomos
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Wales
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 Posted - 25 Apr 2010 : 10:22:52 PM
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Hi All. I've been off line for a bit, I just wanted to thank you Annabel for the fab video, if I could ride even a tiny bit as good as that I'd be a very happy woman, and as for the horse, just fantastic.
I've just put the schedules up for The Welsh Crabbet Show 2010, we are actively including Hipano Arabes in the schedule, though they will need one parent to be 75% plus Crabbet to qualify, it would be lovely to see some there, unfortunately our stallions don't qualify as their dam was only 66% Crabbet.
Mary I was interested in your comment about "the society" have I missed something ? I thought the discussions with Spain are to form the HA daughter stud book, I assume you weren't talking about BAPSH as they've never been all that helpful when it comes to HAs.
Maybe you could enlighten me
Mandy
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"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind" Gandhi
www.hispanoarabeswales.co.uk
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maromito
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Wales
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 4:16:34 PM
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Very pleased to say another lady has been in contact to add her HA to the slowly increasing list,she uses him for dressage/showing and pleasure.
Mandy,
Anabel tells me shes emailed you so now your enlightened and up to date ! |
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Tomos
Gold Member
Wales
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Posted - 26 Apr 2010 : 11:10:05 PM
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Hi Mary, yes Anabel did mail me and I was in fact up to date and already enlightened !
As I've been off line for a while I thought I'd missed something when you mentioned the society, I understand that this is something that will hopefully happen in time, once the stud book is established.
Will you be bringing Tilly to the Welsh Crabbet Show, as she qualifies ?
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"An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind" Gandhi
www.hispanoarabeswales.co.uk
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guisburnfeefee
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 08:34:16 AM
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| i've always admired the spanish and portuguese and always loved watching both Doma classica and vacquera. I have started a little garrocha work with my purebred - he's really good - puts up with my 1 handed riding. We have a portuguese instructor Pedro Nuno Nevez who comes over once every 6 - 8 weeks - so if anyone is either in the North West kinda warrington way ior the north east - morpeth way and is interested let me know. Pedro is over at the end of May and will be at Warrington show doing a display! |
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guisburnfeefee
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 08:38:36 AM
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"As for this country well I can only apologise that for so long genuine owners did not grasp the importance of the breed expansion programme and for many they were more than a little frazzled at the edges about the way the society that was supposed to cater for them was doing 'not a lot' and to some eyes a great campaign in discrediting the breed."
thanks for that Pandora - if i had the time believe me I would definitely have another and would love a 50/50 hispano. Good luck - they are a very agile breed and yes I know in Spain the prices are through the roof because they want to keep these agile horses - don't blame them!!
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Pandora
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 11:59:01 AM
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'Where are you?'
 In the dining room splattering paint around trying to bury eggshell walls under multi layers of magnolia!
Stud at present in Derbyshire with property tentatively sold and now hunting new bigger facility to cater for expanding herd of Ha' horses and 3 foals needing landing ground to be born next year. If things work how I plan then trying to organise a setup centrally based for promoting the breed and showing them in action. My contact details id anyone needs to phone and talk to me are on the stud web: www.eponahispano-arabe.co.uk.
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spirit
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England
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Pandora
Bronze Member
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Posted - 27 Apr 2010 : 3:25:22 PM
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Hi Natallie,
Your welcome to add films and pictures, gives me a break from publicity material hunting and the idea of the thread is to promote the breed and welcome everyone to join in enjoying them. The Ha' owners here are somewhat novice at dealing with the forum system so totally stumped with respect to working out how the heck we add photos of horses on for you all to see? Can't even see that all the little icons on this write up box format do anything so we're just copy and pasting links to films etc..tried to stick a photo up that way but it didn't work 
Your film is brilliant, lovely horse and makes it all look so effortless... Lucy take a look as I fully expect you and cini to be doing this |
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maromito
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Wales
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alison
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Wales
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Pandora
Bronze Member
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Pandora
Bronze Member
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Posted - 05 May 2010 : 6:12:15 PM
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Just out of curiosity are there any Arabian horse owners out there that are planning or have already put their mares in foal for this year to graded PRE stallions and therefore expecting Hispano-Arabe foals for 2011??
The census that Spain is requesting is also to give some indication of expected stock for next year so we are ready to sort registrations and passports, so it would be not just helpful for me but in the owners interest to have our registration system ready for you. |
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Azara
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 9:05:43 PM
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Someone mentioned Maupassant. Is he the black stallion owned by Sue Disney and sadly now deceased?
I am interested in Hispano-Arabes, I used to have PRE mares, I now have a Luso gelding and am loaning a nice Arab mare with the possibility of breeding my own Hispano. (Mary if I could use Maromito I'd be overjoyed!) |
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Cate
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Scotland
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 08:29:14 AM
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We had a beautiful Hispano Arabe mare many years from a 3 year old, but had to sell her as she kept beating up the mares and targeting one mare especially. My youngest daughter was absolutely heartbroken, and when riding her for they buyer I did thin "why am I doing this". She always gave 110% trying her heart out at anything we asked. Had her backed and started as a rising 3 year old then brought her on ourselves. Woman said she couldn't even see me give her any aids, she was just so light.
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Edited by - Cate on 07 May 2010 08:41:11 AM |
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maromito
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Wales
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 08:32:08 AM
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Hi Azara,
Nice to here from you,regarding using Stan my number is 07540 264251 give me a call,so glad you are thinking of breeding an HA .
Have you seen our FB page? we have had such a great response from AL people interested in the breed and its so uplifting that the Arab community are so willing to help us raise awareness and help us increase our numbers .
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maromito
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Wales
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 08:38:18 AM
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| sorry to anyone who has sent me a message via PM ,I can see there are new messages in my box but cannot access it at all ,if you want to speak to me please refer to above phone number whilst I try and sort out the private messages thing Thanks mary |
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Cate
Platinum Member
Scotland
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 08:41:56 AM
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Well I've tried and tried but the photo won't come up so obviously not meant to!! |
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Pandora
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Posted - 11 May 2010 : 7:16:35 PM
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"Well I've tried and tried but the photo won't come up so obviously not meant to!"
Snap! It seems that this forum is a mystery to everyone when it comes to posting photographs?
Cate if it is a photo of your former Ha' then post it on our FB page with blurb about her then note on here you have done that, with a link to direct those interested.
Maybe sometime the chief of Arabian lines will put a not here advising us how we can post pics up! |
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Tomos
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Wales
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zapphire1
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 12:40:39 AM
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i have a question regards to the hispano arab
if the hispano arab is a bred ?(please correct me)and not a partbred
arab or partbred PRE then surely the hispano-arab registry (if there is one?) would have a partbred ie persentage % of hispano arab stud book if you know what i mean
iam only asking this question as we have just had a beautiful buckskin
colt born by our PRE stallion and out of our 66.62% arab reg mare
and if he was to serve (when older) a pure bred arab would his offspring be hispano?
sorry but i know nothing about this breed but iam always willing to learn more thank you
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Pandora
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Posted - 12 May 2010 : 4:55:45 PM
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"if the hispano arab is a bred ?(please correct me)and not a partbred"
No problem the point of this thread is to provide the correct information about the Hispano-Arabe as well as find any horses out there whose owner want proper recognition of their horses...
http://purerazahispano-arabeuk.blogspot.com/
....for those just starting with us please do go to the blog and backtrack to the early Feb articles which explain about the history of the Hispano-Arabe which has been in existence since the days when the Moors invaded Spain and established Internationally as a True Breed not a partbred, however as the article explains concessions of first generation breeding PRE and Arab are in place as part of the breed regeneration/expansion due to it being placed in the critical extinction criteria (for example:when the Shire horse was in the same dilema Clydesdale horses were used to regenerate the breed and are still being used to assist the Shire Breed in Australia, but the Shire is not a partbred!).
Regarding % ??????? zapphire 1 you say your mare is 66.62% Arab but have not told me what the rest is? Is she straight Arab and PRE? in which case she is Hispano-Arabe but if there is something else making up the ratio difference then any foal she has by your PRE stallion is a partbred PRE....
..as far as then using that for breding depends on whether it proves itself under saddle and therefore has performance qualities to pass on, but even then as with any mixed partbred your breeding has to be very selective as you do not have the ability to predict the genetic outcome; this is the reason that so much emphasis is put upon breeding from 'Approved, Registered horses preferably of fixed known genetic type..ie True or Pure Breds'
The Hispano_Arabe does have a parent Stud Book in Spain and all approved horses are inscribed to that register, we are in the process of re-affiliating the UK to the parent stud book organisation and will be sorting out the inscription of all Hispano-Arabe stock bred in the last few years that need bringing onto the correct register. We will also establish the sub register for the Tres-Sang (Hispano-Arabe x Thb) the anglo of this breed, and of course hold a partbred register for partbred stock bred from registered and approved Hispano-Arabes. |
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zapphire1
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England
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Posted - 13 May 2010 : 7:18:55 PM
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ok thanks for the info
know my mare has no pre in her it was her colt that i was refering too
she`s 66.62% with some riding ponys in her blood its her colt who is 50%
pre and 33.31% arab i was asking if he covered a pure bred arab mare would the offspring of that mating be hispanobut i see from your post that no it would`nt
thanks again learn something new everyday i love to get to grips with lines etc |
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Pandora
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Posted - 14 May 2010 : 7:44:52 PM
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" i was asking if he covered a pure bred arab mare would the offspring of that mating be hispano "
Technically yes. The word 'Hispano' simply means 'Spanish' and as such any horse with PRE blood is Hispano.
The problem is that with the lack of knowledge about the various breeds of horses originating from Spain, outsiders confuse the all encompassing term 'Hispano' and think it automatically refers to the Hispano-Arabe and therefore that the horse tagged with that reference must be a Hispano-Arabe.
A simple google scan will find you lots of sites talking about the Hispano-Arabe and abbreviating it to be called Hispano, a lot of these sites because of the mistake it thinking the two words refer always to the one breed then go on to make the mistake of stating that a Hispano-Arabe can have Luso blood in it or is the Tres Sang with Thb in it.....so you see why for so long the poor Hispano-Arabe has been struggling to be acknowledged and thrive when all these so called encyclopaedias and stud sites are claiming the breed to have a hundred and one different possible mixtures of bloods in it! |
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zapphire1
Bronze Member
England
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 03:41:49 AM
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Pandora
iam finding this to be most interesting ,
reading,
yes ive seen sites that say Hispanco-Arabe then to see its luso x
also more times then not,i also see TB in the blood saying hispano-arabe
anyway does that mean because my boy has 33.31% arab blood in his pedgree he can go forward on this register if i had him graded?
b) Principle Register of Horses Approved For Breeding:
For those horse recorded in the Birth Register with a minimum of 25% of purebred Arab blood and that have passed the qualifying rules for reproductive horses, as per the adjustments made to the present standards.?
The bloodline proportions may vary from 75% PRE with 25% Arab to 25% PRE with 75% Arab, or any proportion in between new breed started 1980.
my colt is 50% pre x 33.31% arab ?
(Tres Sangres which is produced by crossing an Anglo Arab with a Purebred Spanish Horse.)is this correct? if so maybe people make the mistake because of the Anglo Arab being (TB X Arab)
we also have started a new breed for the future a Paintalusian
PAINT-A-LUSIAN and already people are stating they have a Paintalusian
when they only have a coloured PRE part-bred ie pint-a-lusian meaning
any mix blood with 50% PRE maybe they should be called pint-o-lusian
where a Paintalusian is a American Paint
horse x PRE horse IE 50% PAINT X 50% PRE with full tracable bloodlines where the pinto or coloured mix does`nt have too.
we started this new breed up as the American Paint Horse society do not allow part-breds and the spanish pura raza espanola dont allow coloureds only Bapsh has part-bred register, the aim is oneday to have pure bred spanish coloured horses,as we find people love the spanish horse but tend to think there not good for competitions (which is untrue)and others love the coloureds so to have a beautiful coloured spanish pre (hence new breed) what a versatile horse this would be !!
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Pandora
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Posted - 17 May 2010 : 6:46:20 PM
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http://purerazahispano-arabeuk.blogspot.com/
zappire1 please READ the blog articles from the beginning!
Hispano-Arabe (Ha') is a true breed that has been around for hundreds of years.
Its foundation is in the breeding of PURE ANDALUSIAN (PRE) and PURE ARABIAN.
Anything else with PRE blood mixed with something else is simply a partbred Spanish!
My comment above was not validating your desire to sell your stock as true bred Hispano-Arabe, but was explaining that misconceptions exist and for too long people knowingly or otherwise have bred and sold stock that is partbred passing them off as Hispano-Arabe.
Your foal may be very nice but at the end of the day he is a partbred. His merit now will be in his ability to prove himself as a functioning sound riding horse. To aspire to a career as a stud with what is (no offence intended) a Heinz 57 is suicide.Your may be very pretty, very nice under saddle but at the end of the day you have no idea what the pony breeds are that have been used several times in her breeding, and they themselves might not have been pure bred native breeds but partbred cross......in short the genetics are not fixed, not known and totally unpredictable in what the resulting stock will be like.
Partbred breeding is fine IF you are aware of the breeds and characteristics of the horses involved (in the present and past breeding of your mare), and if you use suitable purebred stallions hopefully of type to the breeds already existing in your partbred or known genetic dominance.
I do appreciate the value of good partbred breeding (but this is not lightly entered by any respectable breeder) and as someone who worked many years with the ILPH I can assure you I know only too well the sad consequence of the insanity of breeding without knowledge and without respect for genetic influence. The market has too often been flooded with appalingly bad bred horses because individuals think they can make a fast corner cut by ignoring the principles of sencible breeding.
For all the bitching that goes on about regulations and costs involved due to the strictures of parent stud books and DEFRA they are there to protect the horses and the buyer. The paintalusian is not a BREED, if it is produced simply for colour and using any partbred or otherwise served by a PRE it is simply a partbred Spanish that happens to be coloured; it is not capable of true breeding .....you might get the colour run true but what good is that if the resulting stock is destined for the meat market because it is not sound as a horse or fit to ride etc.because the breeder had no concept of what they were doing other than focus on novelty breeding.
All recognised breeds have parent stud books, are Internationally approved and employ some level of selection and approval for breeding; the purpose of this is to ensure that progeny produced is with the best will in the world in every respect going to give its future owner a wonderful horse or pony capable of doing whatever that breed excels in and having as near as possible perfect conformation and temperament.
It is hoped that stallion owners having invested in their approved stallions are able to sanely advise mare owners about the suitability of their mare to use that stallion and if she is of indeterminate pedigree to have the ability to know if their stallion is right for her or to have the ethical responsibility of mind to walk away.
In the past despite having produced outstanding partbred stock from my old boy I have had to make the decision to refuse some partbred mares, either because they were not suitable for Pi to do justice to the offspring (in which case I advised the owner of the breed type they should consider) or the mare really should never in any circumstances be breed from!
It is not a cheap option breeding your own horse. It costs the same to produce poor stock as it does to produce quality. I would do no favours to the mare owner by taking them down the expensive route of breeding from an animal that despite giving great service herself could not perpetuate that in her foals.
So I'm sorry Sappire1, no matter what way you cut it, your mare is a partbred and the foal you seek to find recognition for is also a partbred and to be honest your comments about plans to use him for stud are downright irresponsible!
Ref the Tres Sang: it is produced in Spain (its country of origination)by crossing a thoroughbred with a Hispano-Arabe (see blog articles for exact breed specifics of what a Ha' is!)...it was the intense use of Ha' mares with Thoroughbreds to produce the Tres Sang that partly contributed to the dwindling stocks of the Ha'.
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