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Pandora
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 Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 09:51:47 AM
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Hi Lisa,
Re the standard in Portugal...the edge they have is the need to live! Unlike Spain the Bullfighting is totally carried out on horseback so the riders that perform in the arena are not just there for show doing fancy displays, they have to be all that and then some!
However, in Spain your 'cowboy' the rancher cattlemen that look after and raise these fighting bulls also have to be exceptional horsemen as they are not just dealing with one bull but have to be eyes everywhere to watch for the unpredictable and fiery temperament of a whole herd of these cattle; at same time they are rearing and selecting the ultimate bull to do battle in the arena.
So it becomes imperative that the horses they ride in the daily task of working these fighting herds are on another level of capability all together.Hence the requirement that the Hispano-Arabe and its partbreds are not just comfortable riding horses for long hours in the saddle but fast, agile and above all extremely intelligent (they depend upon the horse thinking for itself as well as working closely with the rider as sometimes that horse may have to make the life and death decision itself that protects both man and horse). |
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Pandora
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Posted - 25 Mar 2010 : 11:30:08 AM
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 Spent last night sorting a print friendly gizmo onto the blogs so they now easily be read at leisure......
...but still battling techno insanity as can not get the gibberish HMTL nerd computer stuff to stop adding in its own idea of paragraph spacing, so the articles are still presenting with wacky paragraph breaks at may go a bit more non tree friendly when printing
trying to get someone who can 'read' HMTL! if that's possible, to eliminate the sneaky sabotaging infiltrators |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 25 Mar 2010 : 10:44:29 PM
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Oh Mary, no groaning from me , I look forward to seeing you and her... have you a pic of the stallion?
Pandora, I agree, I personally would never support bullfighting, but it is unarguable that Portuguese horsemanship has been honed to the highest level by the imperatives of the bullring.
I hope other people have had the chance to see the youtube vid you posted.......... amazing.
Cheers
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Zan
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maromito
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 : 08:13:09 AM
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Hi lisa,
As for a picture of the stallion ! there isnt one yet !!,we are crossing our fingers and toes that the Spanish will source semen maybe from the military and that its in time for this season .
Tillys ready and waiting for a suitable husband and Im waiting with baited breath for the words from Spain !
The video is amazing ,it really shows the power and athletic ability of these horses not to mention the suberb riders [cant see me and Tilly doing it though lol mary x |
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zooscat
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 : 08:32:10 AM
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| Just watched the video - wow! Eat your hearts out, dressage divas! Amazing horse - amazing rider. |
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Pandora
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 : 10:41:54 AM
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 Ok for you picture loving visitors here is a link to pictures from Spain showing of their Hispano-Arabes
and it gives you a good idea of the confirmation range within the breed bearing in mind some of these horses may be first generation lines while others will have foundation genetic lines mixed in them.
My only 'sorrow' is that the Spanish tend to show their horses with the mains and tails virtually crewcut clipped! Such a pity when the majority have stunning flowing manes and tails! Mine have tails that will trail a few inches on the ground if I leave them alone!
Anyway enjoy ..Spanish music also included
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vL2bmdWtezw&feature=related |
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Pandora
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 : 11:01:13 AM
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..And more traditional music accompanied by Hispano-Arabe horses showing the Doma Vaquera ...the everyday riding required to herd the fighting Spanish cattle...at elevated competition level.
This what my old boy Piyayo was showing me the first day I rode him and to the day I die I have no idea where the control buttons were as he did all this out of the greatness of his heart on autopilot honouring his distant Spanish Vaquera trainer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz8lLOdcm48 |
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Eeyore
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Posted - 26 Mar 2010 : 12:28:02 PM
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Loved all of the youtube links, I had seen the awesome 'no reins' vid before and didn't realise it was a Hispano Arabe. Just beautiful |
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Acorn Arabians
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mogwai
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Posted - 31 Mar 2010 : 08:24:56 AM
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Wow, what an awesome, awesome video! The difference between that and stuffy, tight, mechanical dressage is just incredible. I am totally inspired. amazing!
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maromito
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Posted - 02 Apr 2010 : 08:00:49 AM
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We still need to know where all the Has are,some of them are registered as partbred Arabs[wrong of course as they are a breed in their own right and not a partbred] but maybe some of the owners dont realise what they have or havent heard what we are doing ,so please if you know of anyone with a Hispano Arabe or anyone who isnt sure what theyve got ask them to get intouch .
And for anyone who is considering breeding one please remember we are offering reduced stud fees to Purebred Arabian mares in the hope it will encourage HA production.
Come on everyone this magnificent horse needs help,if you have watched the video you know what they can do and must be alittle in love with them ! LOL |
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Pandora
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Posted - 07 Apr 2010 : 10:13:37 PM
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My hunt for Hispano-Arabe horses has now extended into other European countries as we try to trace potential breeding mates for our mares due to the shortage of stallions here. 
To date we have made contact with a stud in Germany with really nice Hispano-Arabe stock bred from Shagya Arabian bloodlines, a couple of stallions from Domecq's ranch that have found their way to Hungary, and I'm now waiting to hear from Belgium to find out what Hispano-Arabe stock they may have.
While Spain is slow in responding to the needs of all these countries Hispano-Arabe breeding programmes and lurks in the background trying to decide about taking action to help us, it may be that we have to formulate a union between us to progress our breeding plans. |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 07 Apr 2010 : 10:53:20 PM
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I really like Shagya Arabs having seen quite a few in Hungary but are they accepted as purebred Arabs by the H/A Cria stud book ie will the offspring be therefore pure H/A ??
I am sorry if this is a stupid question but as far as I am aware the Shagya arabs are separate from the purebreds in Hungary.( Although there is a purebred line tracing to the stallion Shagya.) The breeders who I spoke to regarded Shagya Arabs to be 'of Arab blood' rather than 'purebred Arabs'.
Nice to see you the other day Mary BTW.
cheers
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Pandora
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Posted - 08 Apr 2010 : 5:48:11 PM
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The Hispano-Arabe stallion is already entered in the Spanish Stud Book and has been graded for breeding. His dam is Ka Tasmara of Babolina-pedigree tracing to Shagya, and her grandsire was Amor the elite stallion used at Piber to improve the Lippizaner herds so quite a nice bloodline to have for regenerating this breed.
It is an interesting question though about how pure is pure...
.....Mary has a passion for the Menorca which established itself on an island just as many years back as the Shagya was formed, and in the case of this delightful true black breeding horse there is the DNA established history of Arab, Thoroughbred (how on earth did they get there?) and Spanish as in PRE. A couple of centuries pottering on the island and they are genetically fixed as a 'pure' bred, a rather stunning one at that but effectively by its mix what is called a Tres-Sang; if a thoroughbred is put to a Hispano-Arabe (a comment that Menorca fans would linch me for!).
But here is the conundrum ...do the Spanish regard this breed as a Tres-Sang or nearer to the PRE? ...and can Mary have her fantasy and breed a Menorca with her Hispano-Arabes and would the offspring be registered as Hispano-Arabe...after all the Menorca is to the PRE what the Shagya is the the Pure Arabian !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  |
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vixrp
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Posted - 12 Apr 2010 : 1:32:21 PM
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As a owner of a hispano filly i have to say she is 1 of the easiest foals to rear and handle and now as a rising 3yr old takes everything in her stride and even showsthe older horses that the invisble monsters really are not scary,i woulddef breed this combination again!!
If anyone is looking to own a hispano my filly is currently onthe market due to work commitments |
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Pandora
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 7:34:02 PM
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I know I have been absent for a few days but it is because I have been involved in talks with Spain and furiously working to complete the legal papers to now register Hispano-Arabe UK ltd so I can now pass to DEFRA the formal application for our stud book. Spain has requested a census on all our Hispano-Arabe horses so now is really not the time for Hispano-Arabe owners to sit on their hands and do nothing!
I have been writing articles in all sorts of magazines trying to trace missing horses, and there is a fair number out there but for whatever misguided reasons the owners are hanging back and not stepping up to protect the registration and validity of their own horses. If you have a Hispano-Arabe I really do need to hear from you. |
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Puccini4
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Posted - 18 Apr 2010 : 9:00:39 PM
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| hi i have a 4 year old Hispano called Puccini, i have had him about 5 months now and he is my baby :) i didnt go out looking for this breed, i wanted a nice young horse to bring on and that i could try a bit of everything with and i am 100% over the moon with him and that i found him. we are trying everything and he never lets me down :D he really tries his best, we started jumping recently (altho i no he can do this as wen i got him he cleared the fence out of our menage which is BIG, from a stand still!!! naughty,!)he enjoys everything we do and i am hoping to get out to some shows soon. i didnt no much, if anything about this breed before i had him, and am enjoying learning with cini about him and the breed x |
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maromito
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Posted - 19 Apr 2010 : 2:14:28 PM
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For anyone new to Hispano Arabes its worth mentioning the importance of ensuring all details of the horse they are considering buying are correct,ie Arabian/ Andalusian[ the horse must be minimum of 25% of either parent breed ]if there is any other breed involved then it is NOT an HA ,BOTH parents must be fully registered and in the case of first generation crosses the PRE must be graded ,as must HA to HA .
The society is more than willing to help with any questions or advice so please get in touch .
There are horses out there that are described as Hispano Arabes which unfortunatly are not and cannot be registered, so if you are considering one check first |
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Posted - 19 Apr 2010 : 3:50:51 PM
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| I have always loved Arabs, Lusitanos and Andalusians. One day I hope to own a Lusitano x Arab, they are amazing. |
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scooter1
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Posted - 19 Apr 2010 : 7:28:12 PM
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| i have a lusitano x arab palomino gelding and i think he is beautiful. he is very intelligent, and a cheeky b....r some times |
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Pandora
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Posted - 21 Apr 2010 : 5:37:49 PM
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Ok taking account of the last two inputs has it occurred to you to consider a Hispano-Arabe ?
The Lusitano is effectively akin to the PRE divided from them by politics, history and a steady morphological change evolving through the functional demands for which the Portugese use the horse but in all respects as far as DNA goes the same! (..and no I do not need PRE and Lusitano offianados getting cross and squealing in protest, the facts are there and it does not in anyway denigrate or undermine the value and significance of the two breeds!)
The point however is that in Portugal the luso-arabe is a cross so registered as a partbred.
The Hispano-Arabe on the otherhand is an established recognised breed and as I have been pointing out the first generation F1 breeding if PRE and Arab and subsequent outcrossing to either of the two parent breeds is part of the regeneration and protection plan.
So, I ask you given the choice would you invest your time and money in breeding a partbred or a recognised truebred ?
The two in performance, versatility and nature are in many respects the same but the thread here is about survival of a recognised breed the Hispano-Arabe. |
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Pandora
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Posted - 23 Apr 2010 : 7:15:18 PM
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Does anyone know the whereabouts of Encantadora 75% Ha' the only offspring of Maupassant to have been graded and approved for breeding ?
We are now finalising the legal documentation for the Hispano-Arabe UK daughter stud book and need to run a census on all our Hispano-Arabe stock but especially to trace and ascertain the situation regarding existing registered and approved horses. |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 23 Apr 2010 : 11:19:33 PM
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[right]Originally posted by scooter1
i have a lusitano x arab palomino gelding and i think he is beautiful.
I think that he is beautiful too !
Pandora,I think the important thing is to make people aware of what wonderful horses the Iberian purebreds and crosses are. I applaud your efforts to find and register Hispanoarabes and wish you luck but don't think anyone should be discouraged from buying or breeding a Luso Arab just for reasons of documentation. I would add that I am not an expert on either Iberian breed so forgive me if I am missing the point!
Cheers
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