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Pandora
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 Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 10:46:37 AM
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I am trying to trace Hispano-Arabe' horses in the UK.
Over the years there have been many Arab horse owners ventured down the path of breeding Hispano-Arabe' horses often with the misconception that they are 'just' a part bred. They are NOT. In fact the breed has been around since the 1700's but allowance of first generation F1 lines was introduced about 25yrs ago because the breed was on the edge of extinction.
Please see my blog so you can understand how important your horses are to the survival of this rare breed and contact me so we can start work to get proper representation and promotion of these horses in the UK.
http://purerazahispano-arabeuk.blogspot.com/
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Pandora
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Posted - 11 Mar 2010 : 10:55:10 AM
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The BASPH ceased contact with Spain regarding maintenance of the Hispano-Arabe daughter stud book and I am working with DEFRA and Spain to establish our own independent daughter stud book and organisation. Special consideration is being taken regarding the rarity of the breed and it's status as endangered.
We are still trying to trace existing horses here in the UK.
Does anyone know anything about the whereabouts of:
Steamcross Andante
Navarre
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maromito
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Posted - 12 Mar 2010 : 11:14:15 AM
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We are also looking for
Rohan Elora
if anyone knows her please lets us know thanks |
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Pandora
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 07:30:09 AM
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There has always been 'chatter' through the various forums about the Hispano-Arabe from members who either own them or have seen them and some who who have considered breeding them. Without the support of those of you who have felt some spark of interest or enthusiasm towards these horses they will steadily disappear from this country.
The breed is on the critical endangered list hence the temporary allowance of first generation new blood breeding. Without representation here the programme will cease and due to the endangered situation of the breed in its home country of Spain there will not be for many years any possibility of good Hispano-Arabe horses coming into this country.
In order to continue to fight for representation of the Hispano-Arabe here and keep the official registration and recognition of horses bred here I really do need to validate that there is interest and a future so please do look at the information blog, join us from the link there at the blog onto facebook and talk to us here on your forum about what you feel about the Hispano-Arabe.
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guisburnfeefee
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 10:35:47 AM
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| Hi - just thought I'd let you know that when I lost my mare nearly 3 years ago - i contacted a few people regarding a hispano or a cruzada (lusitano x arab) those i contacted were less that helpful and thought that my expectation of a 50/50 bred hispano was unrealistic! I have always loved iberian horses and arabs and was in a position to buy what was a dream horse - breeders here were disapointing. Breeders in spain wanted the cost of a house for a 5/6year old 50/50 hipano. Course I now have another pure bred arab and wouldn't swap him! There is a lady breeding in Yorkshire - I believ the stud is "Zafran". |
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Pandora
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Posted - 14 Mar 2010 : 6:23:58 PM
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Thank you for your very valid comments. Please do have a look at all the write ups I have put on the blog and you will see that they will clarify why you have been given such a bad service regarding your quest for one of these horses. Please also note the term @Hispano@ is a generic classification for anything with Spanish blood in it so you do need to be careful that it could be as you say a combination of anything ie Luso-arabe which is a nice cross.In Spain it is more than likely you would have found the prices for Hispano-Arabe's were high due to the fact there are so few and they are trying to keep good horses there to expand their own stocks.
As for this country well I can only apologise that for so long genuine owners did not grasp the importance of the breed expansion programme and for many they were more than a little frazzled at the edges about the way the society that was supposed to cater for them was doing 'not a lot' and to some eyes a great campaign in discrediting the breed.
I hope to give a new clean start for these horse and their owners. They are very versatile allround horses and their market should be aimed at the everyday rider who really enjoys their horse. Sadly however as with all breeds there are always elements who creep in and their greed can become the death of a breed. There are many horses in this country bred and produced for the high end performance market and the performance credits of those horses justifies high prices.
However we do need sensible sound solid everyday working horses and there are far more riders out there needing this kind of horse at sensible prices, there fore a far bigger market. But more breeders are getting greedy and trying to push the price market for whatever breed they are involved with and then wonder why no one buys and they are stuck with unsold stock or unused stallions; the end result is the steady demise of demand for a breed ....I have a long standing knowledge of Arabs and sadly see so many priced for stud beyond belief and then everyone is amazed when a line dies out or the breed losses popularity.
Even now as I start to put things right for the Hispano-Arabe the vultures already circle and one stallion owner believes that as it is a rare breed she will charge stud fees to cripple the everyday horse owner! In no other rare breed in the UK have the owners or supports behaved so disgracefully, they have worked together to improve the status of those minority breeds and improve the market demand for them by getting them produced and sold at sensible prices. Sometimes a little yields far more!
On the good side there are PRE owners prepared to work sensible stud arrangements to help breed good first generation Hispano-Arabes. Hopefully the same exchange will happen when I have owners of PRE mares looking to use Arabian stallions to improve our gene pool diversity. As for Spain, well I'm already working on the possibility of AI sourced from good Ha' stallions over there.
Meantime if you feel tempted to venture back into Hispano-Arabes there are a few good horses out there (including a couple of gelding imports from Spain)and youngstock for sale at not unreasonable prices. |
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maromito
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 08:14:14 AM
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Hispano-Arabes are an excellent choice for people who require a more substantial type of horse with the ability to participate in all equestrian sports , very intelligent and extremely trainable with all the grace and beauty of both the Arabian and Andalusian .
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spirit
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 1:23:49 PM
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HI Pandora, I am an Arabian and PRE owner and a huge fan of the Hispano and hope to breed a couple of foals in the future. I am only a small breeder so I cant help much but would be willing to help promote the breed in the future.
I am a member of the AHS and BAPSH.
My email is df.ballerina@googlemail.com
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zooscat
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 1:49:09 PM
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Hi Pandora! I looked at your website and information, and the heart-stopping story of your fabulous foundation stallion. Good job he had you to rescue him - he may have tried the patience and competance of lesser mortals ( just thinking of jumping in - and out- of the pig's yard story!!)
I am not in a position to add to my current horse ownership, the aged Crabbet gelding that rules my life takes up all my disposable (and other!) income and ditto time. When he finally goes to horsey Heaven to rule the roost there, I would certainly be interested in looking at any of the Hispano-Arabe horses that you know of that I might be suitable to own.
Meanwhile, many congratulations on your hard work and comittment to your beloved horses, and may your stud prsoper! |
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maromito
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 3:04:43 PM
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Hi Both,
Have a look at the facebook group we have ,lots of pictures of members HAs ,infact come and join us |
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Pandora
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 3:36:30 PM
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Welcome to both Spirit and Zooscat, at this point even your interest in supporting the breed and considering using or breeding them in the future is a valuable vote in the plans that I'm lining up for the Hispano-Arabe. Solid representation for both the horses and their owners has never been provided in the past and if anything has been hindered and blocked by parties with no understanding of the breed and an almost pathological intent to drive the Hispano-Arabe into oblivion.
25 years ago when one such person said nothing would come of these horses, I answered her that the test would be in whose horses bloodlines would still be here in the future making their mark......Piyayo is very much here today in his progeny, not just the pure Hispano-Arabe stock that carry his precious gene code but in his wonderful part-breds out there with everyday riders doing exactly what he did; proving they are worth their weight in gold as versatile everyday any sport, riding horses. A pure bred is absolutely worthless if he can not put his stamp, personality and capabilities into his part-breds!
The Hispano-Arabe hell or high water is here to stay and prove they have a viable future in the leisure horse industry and not as a controlled 'limited edition rare-breed' that some parties seem to think gives them the right to demand extortionate prices for. None of the Native horse breed societies have ever sought to hamper the regeneration of their breed by crippling the market with insane pricing.
The organisations (DEFRA, Spain and parties I'm currently negotiating assistance with funding to assist the breed here in the UK)are all interested in the Hispano-Arabe and are working with me to see it correctly produced for the leisure horse industry to take its correct role as an excellent sports horse for the everyday rider.
Don't mean to rant away (next blog is about to put the facts of commercial viability in writing), but I do want to have everyone fully seeing the realistic future of the Hispano-Arabe and that is for a future where the horse is not being bred for the minority wealthy to keep as a rare accessory in the garden! I've spent too many years in the past working rescuing the badly bred animals that get shunted out because breeders do not look at the provision of decent horses for the 'normal' non-professional rider. There is no need for indiscriminate breeding and certainly no justification for stallion owners to claim they can not breed good working riding horses for the leisure/pleasure riding industry at sensible costs. |
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maromito
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Posted - 17 Mar 2010 : 4:56:29 PM
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I fully agree with Pandora ,it is vitally important that stallion owners offer a reduced stud fee to encourage owners of quality Arabian mares to produce HAs.
The idea that because of their rarity over the top stud fees are called for is both very short sighted and not at all helpful in our effort to preserve the breed.
We need to extend the gene pool and with that in mind as a stallion owner I have already put my money where my mouth is so to speak and will be offering reduced stud fees to selected mares with the hope we will see an increase in Hispano Arabe numbers very soon . |
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Tomos
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Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 6:35:30 PM
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Hello Annabel, as you know I already replied on your other thread, I have very little time but would be happy to help where I can. As you know we stood Balconero for a number of years and bought him specifically to breed Hispano Arabes, we bred 4 of our own but he also covered a number of outside mares. For us he produced three colts, two we still own, our graded stallions El Bandito and Desperado, the other colt Brujo (out of a very good Crabbet mare) is now living in Suffolk, the only filly we bred Rosalina had a tragic accident as a yearling, so she is no longer with us, a huge loss as she was out of another beautifully bred Crabbet mare by Fari.
Outside mares produced more fillies including Mary's Bailera and Louise's Balconera.
Could you tell us what the present numbers status is, last time I checked it was less than 50 in the UK with less than 10 graded stallions, has this improved at all ?
Has there been any movement on the use of AI for non calificado stallions ? I have written to BAPSH several times but not recieved a reply, this is particularly important for us as my partner has progressive MS and it is impossible for us to cover in hand, we will be collecting from both our stallions in the autumn and it would be a big loss to the gene pool if their progeny can only be registered as part bred arabs, I have heard that some non calificado stallions in Spain have been used using AI.
I will continue to check your blog though I don't subscribe to Facebook and wish you well with your talks on with The Cattle Breeders Asssociation, BAPSH and DEFRA.
Guisburnfeefee I'm very sorry that you had a bad experience talking to HA breeders, we are few and far between so its sad to hear that didn't get a good response (hope I wasn't one of the less than helpful ones !)
Mandy
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Pandora
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Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 9:29:00 PM
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Sorry to hear about your family health problems. I'll phone and speak to you further.
Any issues relating to problems facing the Ha breeders in this country I'm collating in order to see what can be done about them when I sit down with DEFRA and the Director of the Spanish parent stud book. Obviously I will raise your question regarding AI, as the calificardo award and control of its use was initially put in place by the Cria (I do understand your comments about it, as the refusal to accept this in the past meant the loss of an opportunity to expand the use of my own horse Piyayo). UEGHa' of course is a whole different organisation and they may well have a far different take on things. |
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Pandora
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Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 10:25:17 PM
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 Having spent this week doing a little extra temping as a receptionist to pay vet bills, I've had time to trawl through research and compile another blog article....
http://purerazahispano-arabeuk.blogspot.com/
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Pandora
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Posted - 19 Mar 2010 : 5:54:59 PM
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 PS to Zooscat
The ability to jump straight up with no run up as Pi did when night terrorising pigs is a unique ability of the Hispano-Arabe. This cat like kangaroo jump is not exhibited in either the Arab or the PRE. It appears to be something that has its origination in the blending of the two pure bloods to infuse as a gene code peculiar to the Hispano-Arabe.
It is not unique to Pi's line either (and I assure you many of his progeny have surprised their owners with this straight up and over jump from standing) there are several newby owners with first generation Hispano-Arabe foals that have been treated to this superpower in their innocent looking baby
It is just one of the arsenal of skills intrinsic to the breed that make them so much fun and ever so versatile as a sports horse. They can get right up under a jump and hop over with ease. Add that to the intelligence that allows them to work out the distances etc on their own and you begin to see how good they are for show jumping.Pi's partbred Orian was hopping in and out of paddocks from a week old and went on to train the Irish Olympic team riders in show jumping. He was a lovely horse and a tribute to the Hispano-Arabe and showed the influence this breed can have on Native stock in partbreeding. 
I do like these smily gizzmos to play with |
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zooscat
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Posted - 19 Mar 2010 : 6:10:35 PM
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Hi Pandora!
I rescued a young Warmblood a couple of years ago, and he had the capacity to jump up and out over most things - perhaps he is related to your lovely breed? He was a bit of a pain in this respect, as he used to like to go visiting too, and popped over all sorts of fences, ditches, gates etc to do so - and then, when cross YO and grooms indicated they were less than thrilled with his abilities in this area at this time - he calmly popped back! Funny - but a real worry. Any ideas on how to manage this? Fortunately, the W/B youngster has gone on to great things as a showjumper and Eventer, and is much loved by his owner. He is kept in a herd, so doesn't now need to go "visiting" it seems. |
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Pandora
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Posted - 20 Mar 2010 : 10:28:28 PM
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Spirit/Natalie
I have sent an email to you to sort making direct contact but not heard back so not sure if there is something wrong with the email address or perhaps it is just a matter of you being away at the mo? |
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Pandora
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Posted - 22 Mar 2010 : 1:47:43 PM
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In the last couple of years it appears from the feedback enquiries I have had, that there have been a few Hispano-Arabe imports...mainly appear to be geldings and with mostly non specific documentation. 
It appears that since the parent stud book transfered to the Cattlemen's/ranchers association UEGHa' and they are working to formalise stock holding of Hispano-Arabe horses there appears to be a clearing out of horses that are not state registered.
While by and large these are perfectly sound working horses and often excellent pedigrees they are not eligible for registration (if not already state registered in Spain) onto the Hispano-Arabe Stud Books. In effect if you are considering buying stock from abroad, be aware to check the paperwork if you intend future breeding or want the stock registered as Hispano-Arabe and not as a part-bred.
Otherwise in effect these horses that are being sold are perfectly good horses (bearing in mind that you still go through the normal sensible appraisal of any horse you consider buying!) and will do exactly what a registered Hispano-Arabe does! |
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spirit
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 11:39:26 AM
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Hi Pandora, Ive had a look on the website and its all very interesting and helpful. I am going to have a good read of the blogs when I get chance.
It would be great to hear who will be breeding a HA this year, anyone???
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Pandora
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 3:07:56 PM
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Hi Spirit,
My son who is the techno whiz  ..is sorting a printer friendly whatnot for the blogs, which will make it easier to just print and read at leisure...particularly with respect to the important earlier blog about the regeneration programme.
Tzar and his wife will be getting down to business in a couple of weeks time, sadly she lost the long awaited great-grandaughter of Pi, just a few weeks ago; simple tragedy of little might coming early and not being strong enough to resist rapid septicaemia. The two senior girls are also going to be put in foal but for moment it is a matter of sorting husbands (logistics of not enough stallions, but awaiting response from Spain re import of AI). If things go to plan it will mean 3 foals from Pi's foundation lines.
One or two other existing Hispano-Arabe owners are also in the process of sorting stallions and keeping fingers crossed for import AI.
As to first generation Arab/PRE breeding that I have no feedback on...but if anyone is contemplating this please do get in touch and I will help you as much as possible with sourcing correct breeding mates for your mares.  |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 4:23:27 PM
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Hey Ladies,
I only came in the house to warm up and have a cup of tea, but before I brave the weather again I thought I'd make a request on this thread for some pics .
I am fortunate enough to know Mandy and Mary's LOVELY horses personally (Hi Mary BTW),but lots of people on here may not know much about the breed.
I think they are fabulous,intelligent, beautiful and courageous (as would be expected in crossing a war horse with a bullfighter!), but are clearly not as well known as they deserve to be.
I am such an Arab devotee that I would need several lifetimes before I considered anything other than a purebred, but if I did, a Luso x Arab or HispanoArabe would be right up there!
Right back out to the weather, horses and sheep!
Cheers
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Pandora
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 6:22:06 PM
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[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qhuip8kyBTU]
I'm not sure how this site uploads pics? but if the link works you can see a really enjoyable film of Hispano-Arabe stallion showing just how excellent they are to work with...note the riders reigns are tied at his waist! |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 6:53:39 PM
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Cheers Pandora, foget the pics I think that video makes the point!
I tried ( and failed) to post a similar one of Golega in Portugal with a Luso a while ago, the guy had garotcha in one hand, hat in the other and was cantering on a garotcha sized circle doing 1 time changes !!!
(The standard in Portugal is stratospheric and the Portuguese pride themselves on training in a light and classical manner.)
If anyone watches this the dressage artistique video which is next on the list is also well worth a watch!
Cheers
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Pandora
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Posted - 23 Mar 2010 : 9:18:26 PM
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Still can't make sense how to load pics
but if you visit my stud web www.eponahispano-arabe.co.uk I have a write up on the background of the breed development in relation to the Spanish Arabian and the PRE and there are pictures of Piyayo.
The photos for the other horses are needing to be done again particularly as they are matured now.
We also have a facebook site (there is a link from the blog) where other owners have posted pics of their Ha' s
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=wall&gid=314712689388 |
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maromito
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Posted - 24 Mar 2010 : 08:22:36 AM
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Hi Lisa
your right the video does say it all,these horses are capable of every equine sport you can think of,they are very brave and have an amazing jump with lots to spare,I think they would also appeal to male riders who require more substance without compromising on intelligence,speed and agility.
We are hoping for a good response from Spain regarding semen and with any luck Tilly will be visiting you very soon[was that a groan I heard ?]
Mary xx |
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