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RiffRaff
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 Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 1:11:03 PM
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I think this is a great idea and will definately be there with a filly and colt  . The only thing that concerns me is that if you qualify and decide to take your horse to Towerlands you have to know that your horse would cope in that atmosphere as i dont see that changing for a while. Sorry for the negative look on it but i have one that would never cope at Towerlands unless that was judged in the same way  |
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Suelin
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 1:22:18 PM
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| Well done Wessex, again it is too far for us but I would definitely enter this class if there some put on nearer to us. |
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karen d
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kathleen
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Delyth
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 2:08:09 PM
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Mmmmm I do have abit of a problem with the traditional class and I hope it won't slip back in time too much.
However, to echo Stuarts point I think it would be wonderful to see owners showing their own horses again. I can't see a reason why not. You know how to prepare your horses for a ring, it's up to the individual what fitness regime you decide for your horse (and yourself ;)!!) Just train your horse to stand (still!!) with a nice alert pose, getting running for that big moment down the back straight and keep bridles as pretty and gorgeous as ever !! Sorry I could never go back to the leather with brass
To many, I'm sure this is perhaps still too much of a pose BUT this was actually Pash just being Pash. She was very much a looker and here she'd locked onto someone or something in the stand and she looked & looked !! Mark had no whip, he just raised his hand. That look won her the show that day and every judge loved the natural way she was presented and commented on it. People think that the frozen pose and twirling trot is what the judges want to see I'm sure that the majority actually want to see the horse, not half asleep but alert and fresh and controlled ??
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NatH
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 2:12:17 PM
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I agree with Delyth, I don't want to go back to leather & brass either |
Natalie
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Hollyhill
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 2:26:25 PM
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I don't think it means bring back the leather and brass look(well I hope not anyway as I love the bling ), but more to being sane and sensible  - well that's my interpretation of it anyway  |
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Delyth
Gold Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 2:38:39 PM
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| I was just teasing really - I love my bling :) Plus I'm not smelling of brasso again for anyone !! |
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NatH
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 2:45:26 PM
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Me too ...
The Bling'ier the better |
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Chapel Lane Arabians
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Hollyhill
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TOOTHLESS
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Australia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 3:37:23 PM
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Beautiful mare Delyth. It's a fact that for most of the time, the arabian horse,like all other horses, is relaxed; at least at home in the paddock. Some love to show, and are naturally animated at shows.Some have natural presence, but this has nothing to do with screaming, rearing- which some are encouraged to do to catch and keep the judges eye-or behaving as if they're on speed. Now in order to achieve this artificial animation the horses are abused at home, and certainly aren't allowed to settle in the ring- and this shows in their body language: eyes popping and continually shifting. We and the Judges are equally guilty in allowing this to happen. We; because we're looking for an advantage, and the judges because they're intimidated by the person at the end of the lead, the noisy public or because they like to be asked to judge in places all over the world, and none compliance means no job.
As a breeder it is better and easier to choose a sire shown in a more relaxed (traditional manner ), where the charisma of the horse shown is there naturally: Rusleem is an animal that springs to mind who is always described as being "naturally charismatic". So in a "dead boring" traditional line up the good horse will always stand out.
The last time I "stood" a stallion up at a show , or took a horse to a show was in 1981 or there abouts. Since becoming involved again 3 yrs ago, and seeing how the horses were presented I swore I would not be getting involved, in what could only be described as a circus. However I'm having second thoughts because my mare; who is not stabled,rugged,exercised, or show conditioned, looks so good in the paddock with her two bovine mates. I know that stabling,rugging, and conditioning makes an enormous difference, but I'm prepared to take the risk and show her straight out of the paddock, just so she avoids the professionals and is naturally animated, as she is when I take her out for a walk -I don't ride- along the roads where she lives.
Sorry to be boring, but a good horse will show itself "naturally" (traditionally) Attilio |
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Ziadomira
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 4:02:00 PM
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Very sorry about not having the show at Newbury but we would never dream of holding these classes there. Newbury is very pretty and
may seem very central to the Wessex Area but in fact is not even in it. Berkshire is not Wessex. Wessex covered the old Avon so The Hand is in it.
No stables at Newbury and no chance of getting any. Residents object. Many exhibitors will not show from their boxes and want stables. We have had to turn away innumerable entries because we can't find any stables in the area. We paid for the showground with its holes that had to be checked before we could start the show. At the show in 2008 we had to put a chair over a hole and cover another one with a crate to stop people falling. One did go over. Rock hard ground that made many horses go lame as the ridden judges like to see the horses gallop. Mud in entrances to rings. No facilities. Judges sometimes fed out of the back of a horsebox. Only a tent to feed tham in that had to be shared with the Secretary. Toilets had to be paid for and the amount of toilet paper that was used. Noisy dog show next door that had to be asked to vacate our rings where they had been leaving lots of little presents overnight! Tannoy was sometimes difficult to hear as it had to pointed away from the houses.
As far as the turnout of the horses is concerned. It is only the manner in which they are shown that we will be strict on. As long as the bridle, headcollar or halter is safe and comfortable for the horse and the horse won't get free it is up to the exhibitor what they use. There is no problem if the horse has half its mane cut off.
This is Wessex's attempt to give those who do not like the very modern fashion a chance to show their horses as they choose in a show where the result matters. It is appreciated that at Towerlands many show their horses in the modern style but that is not mandatory.
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jaj
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 4:13:02 PM
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Bit dim here, but where is the show being held please and what are the dates?
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Ziadomira
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 4:28:43 PM
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It's at The Hand Equestrian Centre, Clevedon, Bristol. Junction 20 of the M5 just south of the M4/M5 interchange.
14th August
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Slave 2 Magic
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 4:45:49 PM
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| I have never shown my mare in hand as I would not put her through the shouting and screaming that goes with it. If any traditional classes are brought to Yorkshire I will attend with pleasure. |
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jaj
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 5:06:19 PM
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Oh pants, my MIL gets married that day so don't think I would get away with a horse show attendance as an excuse  .
Really hope that it is well supported .
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Kuraishiya (Maleik el Kheil/Kazra el Saghira) and Sahara Bey (Kuraishiya/WSA Charismma) |
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Sam Hunt
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 5:19:16 PM
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Yet another one here who agrees it's a step forward - even if it's a step backward (in time) as well!
I am another who simply does not do Arab showing because I really dislike what goes on.
Were the Wessex Show nearer to me (and if it didn't clash with my endurance plans) I certainly would consider bringing my horses out to a show for the first time in about 7 or 8 years.
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TOOTHLESS
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Australia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 5:33:53 PM
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| Sorry girls, "Bling is not the thing" ever though women swear by it. I tell both my daughters- 27 and 20- who are both very beautiful that if they went shopping dressed in a chaff bag everyone would be wanting to wear one. Of course they don't believe me, and so are in a constant dither about what to wear. The same for a horse, a plain halter on a lovely head contrasts with the beautiful head to make it look even more beautiful. But what do I know, I'm only a male and 58 at that. I must know something however, because my daughters take after their mother ,and I chose her. |
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TOOTHLESS
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Australia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 6:48:32 PM
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Edited by - TOOTHLESS on 12 Feb 2010 6:55:48 PM |
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Vicki M
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 10:43:13 PM
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I think it's a great idea for those who wish to show the old way. Plus different horses react in different circumstances.
I personally get a bit excited at the way some horses are presented in the modern fashion and I love to bounce in with an animal who also loves that type of thing. On the other hand I have one that feels intimidated and I'm sure would prefer to show in a more sedate manor.
I was going to ask the question about bridle paths but this has been answered earlier.
I'm from Manchester Way but I don't think "The Hand" is that much further than Wales and Wet. So depending on several elements I may travel down and compete, The Natural Way!!! |
  
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Ziadomira
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England
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Posted - 12 Feb 2010 : 11:58:33 PM
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Re location of Tha Hand. For anyone who goes over either of the Severn Bridges to Wales & West it is closer to you as only about 10 miles from the Bridges.
Stabling and services are excellent.
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Margaret
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Posted - 14 Feb 2010 : 12:45:52 PM
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Zia, I hope you get wonderful entries for your show - I've just been reading the Malvern reports in the AHS News and it said that there were at times more spectators for the Crabbet class than for the main ring, so obviously there is a lot of interest in horses being shown naturally.
I sympathise with your problems over venue. I'm in Aberdeenshire, and our most local show is about an hour away; we are well used to travelling at least 3 hours to shows, though I suppose our roads are less congested than the ones down south. It can be difficult trying to get a venue with good facilities that suits everyone and is still central and doesn't cost the earth - sometimes you just have to go with what ticks most boxes. |
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Arabian Girl
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England
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Posted - 14 Feb 2010 : 3:21:41 PM
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| Yes thats true about the crabbet classes having a good crowd.. i for one defaulted from the main ring to go and watch the crabbets and it was lovely to see a chilled out zone with very relaxed manner indeed.. |
   
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littlearabians
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Posted - 14 Feb 2010 : 4:46:44 PM
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I'm sorry but will someone please explain to me how you show traditionally?... what is different except from the pose?... as I'm from Denmark, and just moved over here, i would like to support this, but i only know of the modern way of showing Arabs... is traditional like you do with warm bloods?
i bought the horse and hound, but the Arab shown on the picture in the article is, to me, quite close to a modern pose.
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Otto
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England
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Posted - 14 Feb 2010 : 6:17:46 PM
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I think it's a great idea, thank you Wessex, and I'm hoping to make it there!
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Horse and Hound today - tradtional arab showing
