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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 25 Dec 2009 : 6:57:23 PM
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CHANDI - 1911 - Grey Arabian Stallion. NPS 796; AHSB Vol. I p 35.(AHSB Vol.III p 29 - Imported)
Can anyone tell us if this Grey desert bred Arabian Stallion has any progeny born in GB, please...there is just two part breds listed on allbreeds.
Desert Bred, Purchased in Bombay for racing, came to GB in 1916, and purchased by Mrs F G Atkinson, North Lew, Nth.Devon.
Thanks You and if anyone has a pic..that would be good..He did win prizes at the London Spring Shows in 1920 & 1921( in good company) for his owner Mrs F G Atkinson of North Devon.
see link for breeding and info so far.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/chandi2
Thank You
Sue
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 27 Dec 2009 11:56:12 AM
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Lynda
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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 : 12:23:21 PM
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Hi Sue
In AHS Vol 2 there is a mare registered by the name of Nessa,(1922)Bay Mare who was by Chandi out of Nessima.
Quoting what is written: Chandi bred in the desert of Arabia. Bought from Mr P. Symonds in Bombay (for racing) from the Arab importers, and imported by him in 1916, and purchased by the current owner.
Dam: Nessima by Rijm out of Narghileh
Rijm by (Ibn) Mahruss (imported) out of Rose of Sharon.
(Ibn) Mahruss, by Mahruss out of Dahmeh Nejiba of Ali Pasha Sherif.
Rose of Sharon, by Hadban (imported) out of Roadania.
Narghileh, by Mesaoud (imported) out of Nefisa.
Nefisa, by Hadban out of Dajania, by a Kehailan Nowag out of a Kehaileh Dajanieh from the Sebaa Anazeh.
Nessa, a Kehaileh Dajanieh
Owner and Breeder Mr H.V. Musgave Clark, Oatlands, Ilford, Lewes, Sussex.
Re. Chandi. There is mention of him in Peter Upton's book. If you need this, let me know.
Also in Vol 1 there is reference to a stallion called Dolmatscher (late "Arab") 1901 Flea bitten Grey. I'm not sure which thread this horse was mentioned - wonder if this is the correct one.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 : 2:08:40 PM
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Spot On Lynda.Hope you've had a Happy Christmas & All the Best for 2010, will take a look and make sure I've digested it. I've already added the Bombay bit and rest to all breeds..and a pic of Dunducket under Crosbie.
I agree with all you've said. Just about to get to the next page and Dolmatscher, I think there were loads of Arabs here and some of them were Grey and would fit into Pelle's Gran-Mothers days gone by, in Devon and Folly Gate. It seems difficult to find out how many & what offsrpings these Imports and those bred here had/have. Hope Pelle gives us a bit more info on her return from India.
Thanks again, & thanks for the books..really good, not getting much else done at the mo, cept read, nose in books. The NPS have invited me down to look at the early ones.
Don't have anything of Peter Upton to read, so if you find anything else please let me know.I'm also after any reference to Lord Cameron, he was stationed in Palastine and involved with the stud there, (even a christian name would help).
Cheers All the best & Thanks again for you know what.
Sue
PS. what did you think of CAIRO and not been 100% or accepted..as Bia had said.
Also if you get any info on the Palestine Remount and the horses that were there, thats my next job.
I'm alsao wondering if those early PBAR (Hardback versions) have anything on the Overseas section..found that to be really interesting and gave me several leads. Are the others the same??. and I may have to visit the Archives in Oxford to look at the pictures they have on file from Palestine.
Anyone live in Oxford?????
Cheers Sue.
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Melynda
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Pelle
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Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 5:29:17 PM
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| There is some notes in grannys files that Crosbie and Cairo, was not accepted as purebred at first, Crosbie was said to have Barb bloodlines (and not born in Egypt)but born in Tunisia, although he raced very suscessfully in Alexandria,Egypt. Cairo, will try to find the notes why he was first rejected. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 10:03:03 PM
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Hi, It looks like DOLMATSCHER ( late ARAB) 1901,AHSB Vol.1,p.38,Fleabitten Grey (another Grey) was bred at Weil Stud, Near Stuttgart, but was bought by Duncan MacDougall and came to Warwick,England and is recorded as winning at Newmarket(England) in 1919.
Searching for any progeny.
Cheers Folks.Sue
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Barabia
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Melynda
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Posted - 30 Dec 2009 : 9:02:53 PM
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Copied his pedigree from Vol I.
Not surprised they spelt his dam, damsire and great dam wrong.
They also put his sire's sire down as Dueba and dam as Sheik.
Haven't found any corrections re the spelling of Dolmatscher is Dolmetscher his registered German name? |
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Pelle
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Posted - 22 Feb 2010 : 6:45:54 PM
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Mother found an article in AHS journaL 1935.
Arabian night
Sir,- In the notes of the day, the sire of his Majesty's chestnut gelding Arabian Night is said to be by the famous Arab Kandy, . This desert bred Arab was owned by me from 1916 , when he arrived from the East, until 1930 , when he was , alas, destroyed. His name was Chandi, , which means in the East^Silver^or ^Moonlight^.(see arab studbook).His high caste was portrayed in his make, carriage, quality, docility, charming manners and paces.
I owned and rode many high caste Arabs in India, but only possessed two in England, both being of such outstanding merit that each became famous in the sidesaddle and as sires.
They where Dwarka, a bay desert-bred of the Anazah tribe,. first on the Indian racecourse in winning The Hurricane Stakes of one mile in 53 sec. , and secondly as a brilliant in the sidesaddle with 26 different packs in Northumberland, Leicestershire, Durham and Devon.
Then , thirdly ,
the Arab was a sire from Scotland to Torr Royal, when he passed from my hands in 1916 to the ownership to his royal highness the prince.
Dwarkas stock have gone to Australia, India, Russia, and Canada.
Chandi,
a grey imported desert-bred .
, too, was honoured by Royalty. He was chosen out of a class of eighteen hacks in the London Show to give a solo demonstration in sidesaddle before her Majesty Queen Alexandra at the last such event she ever graced with her presence. He sired amongst many others ARABIAN NIGHT, ,the beatiful chestnut park hack, now has the honour of carrying his Majesty King George.
Arabian Night was bred in Devon , and his sire and dam was owned by two Devon horsewoman, Miss Calmady Hamlyn ande myself.
Nortlew, June 1,
D. Atkinson. |
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Sue J
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 10:54:28 AM
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Sue,
Slightly off topic here but I no longer can open the pictures on allbreedspedigree site, does anyone else have this problem or know why? |
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Melynda
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Posted - 23 Feb 2010 : 11:53:06 PM
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I can open them ok. Perhaps the picture you want has been taken off the website. That happens when people discontinue or delete pictures in photobucket, flickr etc.
Try this horse, he works for me and his picture is still available.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/nearco |
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Sue J
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Posted - 24 Feb 2010 : 10:35:43 AM
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| No for some reason I can't open any. Very strange. |
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CHANDI 1911 - Arabian. at stud in Nth Devon.
