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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 1:08:28 PM
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COSBIE 1908 - Vol.I, p.36.(Imported) Grey Stallion.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/crosbie
Bred in the Arabian Desert and brought to Abassai where he was purchased by the owner.Imported to the GB. in 1914, by his Owner Lt Col. P.D. Stewart,Chadhunt, Kineton, Warwickshire, England.
Race Winner 1913-Municipal Cup, Alexandria. Show Winnings in hand & under saddle, too numerous to list, 1919 Ranleigh -Reserve to Skowronek. Champion London Show 1920. Segwali tribe
Help needed to confirm how many offsprings this Grey Arab Stallion has recorded in GB or any place... please.
Thanks in advance.
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 07 Dec 2010 7:50:40 PM
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Barabia
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Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 5:29:59 PM
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Hi Sue,
He had 7 foals (purebred):
Name Number Foaled Gender Color Dam
SOHRAB AHSB 1920 Stallion Chestnut SELINGA (Added to allbreed, no reg. offspring)
NIZAM AHSB 1921 Stallion Grey ROSE OF PERSIA (Added to allbreed, no reg. offspring)
MAASREH AHSB 1923 Mare Grey MINSA
KARUSEN AHSB, AVS 1924 Stallion Bay ARUSA Exp to Netherland 1926
SAHRA AHSB 1925 Mare Chestnut SERIYA
ZAHLE AHSB 1926 Mare Grey MEJAMIEH
KHASHBI AHSB 1928 Mare Bay PETRA (Is a reg. Arab, I've changed it on allbreed, no reg. offspring)
P.s. http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/cairo8 (Not a reg. Arab, nor his dam. Changed it on allbreed)
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Pelle
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Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 7:52:32 PM
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| Crosbie also sired alot of anglos and PBA, are you interested in those? When Crosbie was accepted in AHSB several people objected, as some people regarded Crosbie as a arabXbarb stallion and not a purebred. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 30 Nov 2009 : 9:12:51 PM
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Pelle,Yes Please, Parts & Anglo's too, Have you got the records of any, if yes. We'd like to know where they came from and where they are recorded...need this for the Archives records.
Thank you Bia, I new you'd have this info. You've been busy too.
Cheers.
I think we shall have to log all this ancent stuff and get it into the horse archives.
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Lynda
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Posted - 02 Dec 2009 : 4:53:43 PM
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Here are afew Anglo and Part breds I have found - all by Crosbie.
Arab Bred reg 1929
Cairo (Stallion) 1925 ex Jordania (imported)Cairo was a prolific sire of most of the Tan-Y-Bwlch ponies.
Arab Bred Reg
Crossley (stallion) 1925 ex Ilsley GSB Vol 25
Crosspatch 1928 ex Illsley GSB Vol 25
Crossword 1925 ex Ethel GSB Vol 26
Crossling 1925 ex Sanderstead Sweet Nancy Hackney Stud Book 24579
Crossing 1925 ex Miss Leeds Polo Pony Stud Book
Danducket 1927 ex Griselda NPS 2508
Kilbride 1921 ex Greek Kalends GSB Vol 22
Stella Cross 1929 ex Christine Polo Pony |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 02 Dec 2009 : 7:54:36 PM
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Great Stuff, Thank You Lynda. But should say many and not most, Mrs Inge sent several of her mares to SAHARA.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 27 Dec 2009 : 12:33:20 PM
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Thank You so far folks...Just adding a few more off springs for Crosbie, He was also the sire of thge resident stallion at Chirk Castle, GREY CROSS 1921, and was used to cover many of the Chirk's Welsh ponies and of course there Polo Ponies.
Also,The mare NPS 6555 DUNDUCKET 1929 & PBAR vol.III was also by Crosbie, out of NPS 2508 GRIZELDA II. Dunducket was recorded as a blue grey, and won prizes in 1934 & 1935 at the London Spring Shows. She bred Nantucket in 1936 (by Shireherb (TB).and changed hands from her privious owner Misses Calmady-Hamly & Dawson and went to live with Mrs Oscar J Munz in Devon.
Thank you all for your help.
Lynda, I think its a 'U' in Dunducket.
Bia, I need some more of your help. Is there a Palestine stud book, with things recorded from the 1920's, can you tell me, and that were at The Government Stud/Remount station, Acre, Palestine. Everdently there were Arabs there and some similar breeding to those that came/went to Blunts and to Crabbet, plus many others suitable for the remount job.
Hope you all had a good Christmas, Sunny here but a little cold, All the Best for 2010.
Cheers & Thanks in advance.
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Lynda
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Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 12:27:08 PM
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Just a little more info from Peter Upton's book. "Crosbie Grey 1908. Imported in 1915. Registered with NPS Vol 14 & AHS Vol 1. Bred by an Arab in Syria amd brought to Cairo. Won races 1913-1914. 14,2h.h."
Note at bottom of page after all imported horses listed: "Other stallions such as Sultan; Beduin; Kouuch; Akbar; Vonolel; Ackbar; Marzouk; Yildiz; Posta and Chandi; were used at stud for the breeding of Pure Arabs, but their lines have since died out".
Sue, this book is very worth while putting on your birthday list! |
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Pelle
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Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 5:45:25 PM
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Is there any stallion called Abdool Rayman mentioned in P Uptons book?
Greatgranny imported a stallion called Abdool Rayman born 1911, (bay arab horse 14. hh) winner at Poona (galloway handicap) and Hyderabad (Nizam Gold Cup)
by Blitz (winner flat and hurdles at Lucknow)bay arab horse 13,2 hh
ex Gazelle (winner Meerut) grey arab mare 14.hh, imported in India by the wellknown dealer Sheik Raman and sold to Miss N.Tilley, Bhopal, Central India.
Abdool Rayman was at stud in Bow, Devon from about 1926 until 1936 when he died of old age. |
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Rozy Rider
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Melynda
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 9:12:10 PM
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Just added Melynda's Pic.
 He was said to be Milk White with a Dark muzzle, that would fit into a pint pot....see above.
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Callisto
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Posted - 28 Dec 2009 : 11:32:30 PM
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| According to 'The Arab Horse Families of Great Britain 1875-1973' Crosbie was bred by the Dursi tribe in Syria in either 1908 or 1910 |
  Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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Callisto
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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 : 12:19:26 AM
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Found a bit more about Blitz...
"...[he] was certainly one of the greatest stake winners for his inches that the world has ever seen. Bought originally by Lieut. O'Farrell of the 6th Dragoons for R400 he never was beaten. After winning the Civil Service Cup for the second time, his owner and partners bought him in no less than 14 pools, whose actual aggregate value was $60,000. Later, he was bought by Lord William Beresford, and used in stud in England to a limited degree. Afterward he passed into the possession of the Maharajah of Patiala, who took him back to India and used him for breeding. He is described by one who knew him well, in these words: "He is for his size, the most remarkable animal ever foaled. He is milk white with black muzzle which can be put in a pint pot. Weight makes no difference to him"
So I don't think he is the Blitz referred to by Pelle, since that was a bay... |
Zahkira (GR Amaretto x Taffetta)
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 : 4:16:48 PM
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hi folks,No question about Blitz's colour, as noted 'He is milk white with a black muzzle.
Pelle, you need to check your notes..its not a Bay..
Also I think the DOLLY GREY is 1736 NPS, 14.2h & Grey ( and also the dam of SEPTIMUS 1644 -Stalion b.1918).
Cheers Sue
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Vickan
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Posted - 07 Dec 2010 : 7:18:14 PM
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Progeny by Crosbie in NPS:
MIZAN 1394 NPS stallion gr 1921 out of Rose of Persia
4739 CRINOLETTA NPS mare gr 1918 out of Finvoletta AMRp.109
4742 CRYSTAL II NPS mare bay 1918 out of Lucy Glass AMRp. 112
5324 SYLWA WOOD (Wood Nymph) NPS mare ch 1919 out of 2133 Sylvia II NPS
5733 MAASREH NPS mare gr 1923 out of Minsa AMRp.142
6555 DUNDUCKET NPS mare gr 1927 out of 2508 Griselda II NPS
6684 SAHRA NPS mare ch 1925 out of Seriya AMRp.188
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CROSBIE - 1908 CAIRO & BLITZ..- ARAB ( Imports)
