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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 10:41:35 PM
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ZOOLPHOKAR - 1906. 14.3hh.Grey Stallion. Raced at Poona. any info or breeding of this Arabian Stallion from PALASTINE.
sire of Silverspray - 1925 ish. (Bwlch Valentino line).
Thansk Sue
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Barabia
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Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 10:55:27 PM
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Hi Sue, no registered arabian on Datasource with that name..or similar, sorry!
"You Searched For: Horse Name: ZOOLPHOKAR
No horses found, that meet your search criteria."
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Pelle
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Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 11:32:34 PM
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| Zoolphkar(from PALESTINE) 1906 14.2hh raced sucsessfully at Poonna, for 3 seasons, then sold to AHmednagar Arabian stud (Indian gov. stud) . then sold to Mrs Cassie M.C. Mcnaught. brought to england 1920. Stood at stud with Miss T.C. McNaught Folly Gate, Devon |
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Pelle
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Posted - 15 Sep 2009 : 8:35:30 PM
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My mothers friend in Inwardleigh, has found some interesting information, its just lika a Hollywood movie;-)
The McNaught family returned from India in 1920 to Folly Gate, with 2 stallions and 3 mares, all oriental bred. The stallion Zoolphkar was never registed in UK, as Lt.Col E McNaught( the son) won him in a poker game in Poona 1919, and the Indian gov. and Ahmednagar stud, refused to let him leave India.In 1923 the McNaught family lost their fortune due to bad investments, and sold off all stock, horses cattle and sheep, and returned to India.
In 1962 Miss Cassie McNaught returned to UK from India as Mrs Shaahed Singh(widow of the late Hassein Shaahed Singh)and lived in London. |
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Pelle
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Posted - 16 Sep 2009 : 10:16:11 PM
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| My mothers friend has been asking around in Folly Gate , and got some info where the stallions who was sold at the sale, Zoolphkar the arab stallion, and Jollibits the *african Barb*( grey 14,1hh played polo for 12 seasons , terrible temprament, a real killer), as soon as mother got something intersting I will let you know./ pelle |
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Pelle
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Posted - 19 Sep 2009 : 10:01:43 PM
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At the sale in 1923 Zoolphkar was sold to Miss Emily C E Egenian, Tanganyika, East Africa ( the biggest landowner in africa) and the barb stallion Jollibits was sold to Lt Col James Lewis-Court, Lingford Picket Post, Ringwood, Hants. and at stud in the forest for 6 seasons, then died of phenomia. All his stock was grey.
The mares Jellaby (imp gulf mare) raced at Madras 15 hh sold mto Ms Georgina Morse, Isle of Luing, Argyllshire.
Azzaz chestnut mare by Silver Trush (ahmednagar) out of Camina ( des bred from Alexandria) sold to James Thomsson, Lingfield, Surrey.
Johara chestnut, 14 1hh raced for 9 seasons at Poona, winner of 8 races. Rs 21 640- from 5 furlongs to 1 mile. Sold to Signora Gina Consetti, Valetta,Malta. |
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Pelle
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Pelle
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Posted - 13 Oct 2009 : 7:33:31 PM
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Zoolphkar sired the colt Laughter (1923) out of Lady Rosa 19?
by Goodfellow (by Dwarka (des arab stallion))dam??
out of Foxhams White Heather (aged) measured 1929 , 12,1 hh by Dartmoor ex Dartmoor, owner Mrs J Oscar Muntz, Horrabridge, Devon,
he was sold to Timmermans, Holland in 1926. Was used at stud for a long time , and some stock in NPA (Partbred arab reg in holland)can be tracing back to him.
Laughter was 14,1 hh and grey, with good bone.
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Rozy Rider
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dormouse
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 2:34:07 PM
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Below is a copy of the relevant bit from this website - http://www.arieana.com/nborigst.html
Dwarka
GSB #216
GSB Volume XXV)
Color: Bay
Sex: Stallion
Foaled: 1892
Height: 14.1 1/2 Hands
Bone: 7 3/4 Inches
Sire: Desert Bred
Dam: Desert Bred
Strain: Kehilan
From our Arieana Notebook: Dwarka, who earned himself the title of "The Marvel", was registered in the General Stud Book as "chosen especially by a friendly Arab Sheykh, in the heart of Anazeh country, for Major-General Ralph Broome, who took him to India in 1897, where he won many races." Sold to Mrs. Atkinson and imported to England in 1901 where he served as her sidesaddle field hunter. Later owned by Captain W.A. McDougall AVD, of the Scaurs, Jedburgh. In 1916 when Dwarka was 24 years old, Dwarka was either leased or sold to the Prince of Wales (later King Edward VIII of England) where he stood at stud at his Tor Royal Stud, Devonshire. Destroyed at Tor Royal in 1921 at age 29, Dwarka's skeleton was donated to the British Museum. Today at Arieana Arabians the blood of Dwarka lives on in our bloodstock through his son *Aldebar. (Notes on Dwarka derived from "Desertbreds, Writers and Errors, and Other Things" by Gladys Brown Edwards. Arabian Horse World, March 1973.)
A couple of other websites re dartmoor ponies.
http://www.petmd.com/horse/breeds/c_hr_dartmoor_pony
http://www.dartmoorhillpony.com/history.html
Hope this is helpful.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 14 Oct 2009 : 3:27:25 PM
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Welcome Dormouse, Thanks for the link and info on Dwarka and good to have the feedback.
Anything you may be able to add for our Silverspray 1925 ish, you can add would be welcome...Thanks for the Arabian Horse World info, makes very interesting reading. Mrs J Oscar Muntz has several Dartmoor ponies under registered under 'Foxhams' I can not find White Heather.
And I'm about to start adding her Polo & Riding ponies from ' The Love' line. Love Knot,Song,Promise,Young Love, Lovely Girl.
Thanks folks.
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dormouse
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Lynda
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Posted - 18 Oct 2009 : 6:26:07 PM
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I hope that this information might be of help. I have found reference to Zoowar in the Polo and Riding Pony stud book Vol X11, which covers the years 1911-1912
Zoowar : Grey with scar on wither Aged Height 14.1h.h and measured in October 1912. Bred in Arabia. Owned by Capt. G.B. Ollivant, Cavalry Club, London S.W.
Later owned by Hon. G. Saville, Ditton Lodge, Thames Ditton, Surrey.
1912 1st London Polo and Riding Pony Show
Won Punjab Army Cup and Handicap steeplechase in 1907, and many other races on the flat and over hurdles.
Capt. The Honourable George Saville was President of the AHS in 1922. |
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Lila
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Posted - 22 Oct 2009 : 8:39:49 PM
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Hi Sue,
Just read through the topic and saw that the Timmermans have owned Zoolphkar. Two gentleman (brothers), who live near me, must have known this stallion, the guys are ancient and they know everything from the old days. Will go round this weekend to ask them o.k??
Will have a look at the old pedigrees i have, because my first mare traces back to a stallion owned by the Timmermans.
Hope I can find something out, Monique |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 23 Oct 2009 : 12:48:05 AM
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Lila, Just read your posting, what a small world it is..I've got my fingers crossed you get some info for us....It was a Zoolphkar sired colt, LAUGHTER 1923, that went to the Timmermans in Holland in 1926 and it is Laughter that sired stock that might be found in the Holland NPA (Part Breds Arabs) we hope.
Pelle added that Laughter was by Zoolphkar 1906, and out of Lady Rosa, by Goodfellow (Dwarka-Arabian). and that Laughter was used a lot in Holland. he was a Grey 14.1h.
I wonder if the Timmermans have/had a prefix. and any old records of there horses from the past. These need to be archived for safe keeping.
Good Luck.
Thank You Sue
Bia, Have PM'd you.Thanks Sue |
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Lila
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 2:30:15 PM
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Hi Sue,
Just called mr. Hermans, he is going to dig, so funny these guys are ancient, started breeding in 1944 or so. And I have send an email to the NRPS dutch part bred registry.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Oct 2009 : 9:56:45 PM
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Lila, Can't wait..
Doormouse, sent you a PM.
Lynda & Nimlat..What would we do without you..
Pelle. Keep it coming.(where did you see the Zoolphkar info any chance of a copy.Please.
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 28 Oct 2009 10:53:07 PM |
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Lila
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Posted - 02 Nov 2009 : 4:26:39 PM
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Hi Sue,
Have had an answer from both societies, neither of them have any record whatsoever.
Kind regards, Monique |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 09:10:18 AM
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Hi Lila, So was there any news back from the Timmermans ???? and Thanks for trying. Anything at all, keep us posted.
Thank You.
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Lila
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Posted - 03 Nov 2009 : 7:59:51 PM
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The men are called Hermans, but they did not find him either. I am not aware if any relatives of the Timmermans are still alive. If I have time I will dig my own archive o.k??
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Pelle
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Posted - 05 Dec 2009 : 5:57:22 PM
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mother has found a photo taken at Hurlingham 1933 :
Captain Roark on his favorite pony Zoolka, by Zoolkar (arab, india) ex Victory polobred Tb.
Zoolka is 14.3hh and grey.
(will send it to you email) |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 07 Dec 2009 : 11:00:39 AM
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Found this.on Google.
One other, however, will probably swing a British mallet when the team takes the field. He is Capt. C. T. I. Roark, an Irishman, connected with the British Army in India merely by reason of his membership in the reserve corps.
Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,736822,00.html#ixzz16nuaztw5
Pelle, Could you mean:
Lord Lucas (1876-1916) New Forest pony enthusiast.
Lord Lucas, Dingwall, Picket Post, Ringwood, Hants,
as having the Barb Stallion ?????
He used a Chestnut 14.2h stallion named JACKO 422 in 1914.
(see vol.XX page 29 ref.Rosina for details)
He also used a stallion called St.Lucions Pride.
I've got to find both of these yet to check them out.
Ring any bells for you..
Sue
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 22 Dec 2009 : 2:53:45 PM
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Pelle, Leaving you the link to the first horse I'v efound so far with a direct link to The Government Stud Farm in Palestine...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/miriam+ii3 (AHS Vol.4. p.147.)
so there will be more...
Zoolka is 14.3hh and grey.
Still waiting for your pic to come.
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Pelle
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 6:04:36 PM
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Mother has found an article: The arab horse of Palestine.
by M.S O'Rorke
The Palestine Police
Will photocopy it and send it to you.
Pelle. |
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Lynda
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 11:49:21 AM
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Found some info in the Journal of the Arab Horse Society, called The Arab Horse in India, Past and Present by Brigadier W.H. Anderson CBE. late Director of Remounts in India.
Apart from the introduction, there is mention of Foundation Sires of the Ahmednager Stud. This states that about 26 Arab stallions purchased from the racecourse at Bombay and Poona, have been at the stud since 1902. The most distinguised of them were the following:
Singer (1906) Purity (1909) Zoolphokar (1906) Grey 14.2, leg 7in, girth 64.5in; winner of six races Rs 12,300 all from 4-6 furlongs.
Others mentioned are: Dictate (1914) Krushan (1915) Warminster (1913) Ferry Boat (1912) Silver Thrush (1921) Mundil; Khundil; Amin; Mansoor Beg; Tit-bits. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 6:11:24 PM
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BINGO.....Brill Job Lynda...Thats what were after.
Cheers & Thanks very much. Sue
copied from Pelle's posting from above, trhoiught it rang bells.
'Azzaz chestnut mare by Silver Trush (ahmednagar) out of Camina ( des bred from Alexandria) sold to James Thomsson, Lingfield, Surrey.'
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 12 Jan 2010 3:29:54 PM |
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