| Author |
 Topic  |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
 Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 1:54:54 PM
|
Back to the drawing board.
Still searching for this GREY mare and information of her breeding and existance in the 1920 ies???, We believe she was bred and owned by Mrs A S Russell, a NPS member in 1928,and who lived at that time at Longfrey, Chilworth, Near Guildford, Surrey. The following entries are all things that need looking at and into, so if anyone can add to the notes and search for this half bred mare, that was at the London Show in 1928. and might be recorded as a polo pony ( Gymkanaha Classes??).
and who bred some of the most famous of Riding Pony lines ever known in this country.
Thanks in advance.
Sue (14 November 2009)
Silverspray (NPSB approved mare register p388. Has anyone got this edition and can they tell us what is says about this mare please and if there is a photo of her in this NPSB.
still hoping to see this picture of Silverspray... and Silverspray was at the London Show in 1928 & 1929, Silverdale Aquatint was there in 1928 (NPS London Spring show).
Siverspray dam of Valentine I (PBA IV) 1933 grey colt by Malice (TB imp GSB vol 26 p 1255)
also dam of Silver Jubilee II (PBA IV) 1935 chestnut filly by Malice.
owner/breeder Mrs Russel.
Silverspray London Show 1928
Ball and Basket comp. for Ladies only, equal third
Musical chairs for Ladies only, winner
London Show 1929
Ball and Basket comp. for ladies only, second
Musical chairs for ladies only, winner.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 14 Nov 2009 11:09:29 AM
Hi anyone add any info for this mare please, she's said to be by a pure bred Arab/Barb and out of a Thoroughbred. She's the dam of Valentine, (in the Bwlch Valentino Line)and could have been bred in Dorset or Gloucestershire...or come as an import.. Any breeding welcome. thank you.
Sue
|
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 03 Oct 2013 11:13:20 AM
|
|
Report to moderator
|
|
|
Melynda
Silver Member
United Kingdom
277 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 3:46:14 PM
|
| Deleted as wrong mare. |
Edited by - Melynda on 02 Sep 2009 3:46:52 PM |
Report to Moderator  |
|
|
Melynda
Silver Member
United Kingdom
277 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 4:46:29 PM
|
| Deleted. |
Edited by - Melynda on 02 Sep 2009 3:47:35 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Pelle
Bronze Member
Sweden
141 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 6:40:46 PM
|
Sorry Ladies, that is not the correct Silverspray.
The correct Silverspray (NPSB approved mare register p388)
is by an arab imported from Ahmednagar arab stud (India) named Zoolphokar 1906 grey 14.2 hh leg 7 in. girth 60 1/2 in. winner of ten races Rs 12.300 all from 4 to 6 furlongs,
out of a TB mare(not registed)
Siverspray dam of Valentine I (PBA IV) 1933 grey colt by Malice (TB imp GSB vol 26 p 1255)
also dam of Silver Jubilee II (PBA IV) 1935 chestnut filly by Malice.
owner/breeder Mrs Russel.
Silverspray London Show 1928
Ball and Basket comp. for Ladies only, equal third
Musical chairs for Ladies only, winner
London Show 1929
Ball and Basket comp. for ladies only, second
Musical chairs for ladies only, winner.
/Pelle
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Nimlat
Silver Member
England
461 Posts |
Posted - 01 Sep 2009 : 8:44:38 PM
|
That sounds more like it Pelle. If my memory serves me right there is a photo of Silverspray in the NPS books when known as the Polo Pony Stud Book.
I have none of these books - so aggravating! |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Melynda
Silver Member
United Kingdom
277 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2009 : 3:49:24 PM
|
| Well done, I have deleted the other mare so we don't get any confusing breeding details. Thought she might have been a bit to big with her 16.1 hh. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Lynda
Platinum Member
England
1957 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2009 : 10:19:23 PM
|
| I have a few of the Polo Pony stud books, so will have a look through to see if I can find a photo. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Pelle
Bronze Member
Sweden
141 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2009 : 9:13:05 PM
|
I have now put a photo of Valentine at Sport horde breed database.
My mother has found a photo of Silverspray, very bad but she will put it on Sporthorse data base also. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Nimlat
Silver Member
England
461 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2009 : 8:22:52 PM
|
I have a good photo of Valentine - posed and plaited - wonder if it is the same as Pelle's?
Such a shame, when I worked for Mrs. Alexander we had all the early NPS books. She was in charge of the Stud Book for some years - all gone now!
Finding these threads quite emotional as taking me back to the 60s
and working with Bwlch Zephyr (Miss Ferguson) when these old horses were right to the front of the pedigrees. Now virtually forgotten. It always amazes me that they can be pushed into history so easily. R |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Nimlat
Silver Member
England
461 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2009 : 6:34:56 PM
|
Thanks for that, Sue - happy memories.
Sorry for the delay in submitting Valentine, however here it is:-
I,unfortunately, have no pic of Bwlch Valentino so refer to Allbreeds.
However, here is a pic of a third generation sire Bwlch Zephyr.
Bwlch Zephyr, The Royal Counties Show 1965. Champion In-hand Pony.
photo:Photonews
Just a snap of mine of Zephyr as an old horse,1979.
The likeness to one-another is really quite amazing.
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Nimlat
Silver Member
England
461 Posts |
Posted - 12 Sep 2009 : 9:56:35 PM
|
The "Blythford Chinook" pic has been on the "Platinum Lace" thread since Sept. 2nd. R. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Pelle
Bronze Member
Sweden
141 Posts |
Posted - 06 Nov 2009 : 7:43:06 PM
|
My mother found a photo of a mare called Silverspray in my grandmothers photoalbums, unfortunely in another album there is the same photo of Silverspray (with the note: grey barb mare born 1923, 14.1hh , auntie Hilda's wedding gift from emir Hussein Niazin, Constantine, Algeria, was hunted sidesaddle for nine seasons with Quantock staghounds, them dam of several foals by polopony stallions.)
(according to family records, auntie Hilda was married in 1925 to an algerian diplomat, and lived in Devon for 20 years and then returned to Algeria) |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 07 Nov 2009 : 12:47:42 AM
|
Silverspray was at the London Show in 1928 & 1929, Silverdale Aquatint was also there in 1928 (NPS London Spring show).
Fingers crossed we get more info on this mare.
Sue |
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 16 Nov 2009 09:24:32 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 14 Nov 2009 : 11:03:56 AM
|
Still searching for this GREY mare and information of her breeding and existance in the 1920 ies???, She was owned by Mrs A S Russell, a NPS member in 1928,and who lived at that time at Longfrey, Chilworth, Near Guildford, Surrey. The following entries are all things that need looking at and into, so if anyone can add to the notes and search for this half bred mare, that was at the London Show in 1928. and might be recorded as a polo pony
and who bred some of the most famous of Riding Pony lines ever known in this country.
Thanks in advance.
Sue
Silverspray (NPSB approved mare register p388)
still hoping to see this picture of Silverspray... and Silverspray was at the London Show in 1928 & 1929, Silverdale Aquatint was there in 1928 (NPS London Spring show).
Siverspray dam of Valentine I (PBA IV) 1933 grey colt by Malice (TB imp GSB vol 26 p 1255)
also dam of Silver Jubilee II (PBA IV) 1935 chestnut filly by Malice.
owner/breeder Mrs Russel.
Silverspray London Show 1928
Ball and Basket comp. for Ladies only, equal third
Musical chairs for Ladies only, winner
London Show 1929
Ball and Basket comp. for ladies only, second
Musical chairs for ladies only, winner.
Has anyone got the NPS register for early in the 1920 's can they look at pg 388 for Silverspray (or Silver Spray) Please and confirm what it says.
and
Also the PBAR Vol.IV and confirm there what it says about her off springs..and herself..please
There seems to be Arab in the line and I'd like to know who they have listed for that blood.
Also, If an TB stallion ( like Malice) covered mares in the 1930 ies, as he did, will all the services be listed against him some where, can anyone tell me...and maybe the Polo register number just might help with tracking there matings down..
Thanks.
Sue
|
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 11 Jan 2010 10:40:05 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
easyrider
New Member
United Kingdom
4 Posts |
Posted - 23 Dec 2009 : 11:36:35 PM
|
| gosh thats a lovely piccie of Zephyr i have his great grandson, very similar face |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
hollyland
New Member
20 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2010 : 7:15:46 PM
|
The hunt for Silverspray----A long shot.
Silverspray's breeder, Mrs A.S.Russell, Longfrey,Chilworth,Guildford, Surrey, bred a filly in 1944 called 'Bay Belle' Vol XXV.( on Allbreeds now). She showed one of her other stock at Surrey County Show in 1946.Is there any sprightly, say ,80 year old out there who would remember this lady and her stock. She used some of the best lines.Any true pony mad girl living locally would have noticed them.
Bay Belle's grandmother was Silver Wedding by Malice.No dam of Silver Wedding given in this registration.
(Was about to delete this as not many 80 year olds use computers but maybe those who do may know of likely people to ask! Worth a try.) |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2010 : 11:25:16 PM
|
Hi Hollyland, There is just a chance that Miss M Russell is related to Mrs Russell and Miss russell had several horses in the 1940's. Also think that Miss Russell rode Silverspray at the London Spring Show in 1928, while owned by Mrs Russell, so please keep at it and Thanks again for your continued help.
Mrs Russell was a member of the NPS in April 1928.
I'ver started a list of horses these two kept,in case they show a link in anyway.
Cheers Sue
|
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 31 Jan 2010 11:27:56 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Pelle
Bronze Member
Sweden
141 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jun 2010 : 8:26:14 PM
|
| Mother has found a very very bad photo of Silverspray NPS taken at Hurlingham Polo pony show 1928. pls let me know your email so I can send it to you. |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Pelle
Bronze Member
Sweden
141 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jun 2010 : 9:20:00 PM
|
| I have put the photo of Silverspray taken at Hurlingham in 1928, very bad but it shows her arab breeding very well, at Sport horse breed database./ Pelle |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2010 : 12:55:57 PM
|
Back on the case. sports horse link.
http://www.sporthorse-data.com/d?d=Silverspray&x=10&y=9
 Silverspray.
Hollyland...Not a long shot, your right on the money. Thanks You.
 Grey Metal 1931. NPS.XXIII (1937 -1939) page.14.
He won at :- 1938 London Show NPS.+ Gold Medal. & 1st.NPS + Gold Medal at RASE. In 1939, he repeated the winning at both of these shows.....So Mrs Russell was definately switched on to the showing world.. Great bit (lot) of info. He was a Thoroughbred (Vol.XXVII, p420 (Vol.22. and
NPS 1997.Vol.XXII, p.14 + pic.by Sports & General.
Also Rosine has several foals by the above horse GREY METAL and used a lot at Bostock Hall Cheshire and Capt.Hayhurst.
will see what I can find...
-----------------------------------------------------
Thanks Pelle for sorting out the pic of SILVERSPRAY, have you any idea what she was doing at Hurlington in 1928, was there a programme or any paperwork.
I've emailed the Club to see if they have any old records and see if they can turn anything up too.
If sounds as if Mrs Russell was involved in the showing and the polo too.
Need someone with the 1940 + NPS register, (mine finish at 1939) and also anyone to search these others with the SILVER ????.
Wedding,Belle, Crown, etc.
BAY BELL- 1925.
Not forgetting the Bay Bell.who was by the TB. BAYTOWN-1925.
also found that Miss Mary Russell was the owner of
RAZZIA (1926)(PBAR&AA.Vol.IV.p.57,1938)bred by Lady Yule and owned by Miss Mary Russell. and bred two anglo's both by BAYTOWN....
RUMADI2 b H 1943 BAYTOWN RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
RUTBAH3 br H 1942 BAYTOWN RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
So it looks like Miss Mary Russell and Mrs A S Russell might be connected/ related....( we thought Mother & Daughter and both keeping horses.
----------------------------------------
Thanks, so pleased to see your both on the case...Hollyland & Pelle..
Just back from Cirencester Park, where they were playing polo on Sunday afternoon. What a venue..lovely spot to spend 3 days crewing. The polo lot were exercising with one rider plus three horses (4 in total)... amazing.
and this is what the ladies visiting Hurlingham looked like around the time Silverspray was there...
Interested in GREY MIST mare 1933 (sire Malice), entered as a BARB..anyone got any info they can share on this mare please....
Thanks again..Keep up the good work... we'll be able to re write the records...
Cheers
Sue
PS. Pelle can I put this pic of SILVERSPRAY on the all breeds and on here please...Sue
Thanks goodness your Gran kept all those old horsy bits..
Hollyland. Can you give us the name of the horse at Surrey Show please.
Cheers Sue
|
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 02 Jul 2010 05:46:14 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Pelle
Bronze Member
Sweden
141 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2010 : 8:28:32 PM
|
Yes, put the photo on all breeds. Mother found the same photo in another album, and it was a note on the backside : Silverspray only shown in ridden classes as she had a terrible slint on off fore.
Mother also found a handwritten paper in a book, (Mr Jorrocks Jaunts and Jollities) that used to belong to my greatgrandmother.The handwriting is very bad but I have tried to get it right!
Page 1:
Radi 1925 by Rishan
Won 1st Challenge Cup Islington 1938
then very bad writing , possible: Resena having Riffal ?????
Razzia 1926 by Mighty Power (TB)
Angloarab
Not shown
Dam of:
1931 Bay filly *Bali* by Nothing Venture
raced and destroyed
1932 Barren
1933 Chestnut colt Phototype by Le Phare
winner J (??) 1st Special and Silver medal Islington 1934
3rd Islington 1935 2nd Islington 1936
1934 Bat filly died at birth by Le Phare
1935 chestnut colt *Bedouin* by Le Phare
1936 Bay filly *Lotus* by Le Phare
1937 sold infoal to Le Phare
Side 2:
Rasana grey march 1928
by Almulid ex Razina
a Kehaild Rodaniah
Show record:
2nd (3yr old) and then something impossible to read, Challenge Cup 1931
4th Broodmare Islington 1933
4th Riding class Islington 1935
Stud record:
1932 grey filly Tazee by Joseph
1933 chestnut colt Lella, Lefla(??) by Le Phare
1934 grey filly Ghezala(??) by Faris
1935 not covered
Destroyed in 1936.
Does anyone remember these names, and who can have written this note??
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2010 : 05:19:50 AM
|
Hi Pelle, Getting closer.
Just a bit before my time, so I dont remember anything... but..
RAZZIA 1926, is registeerd in Vo.IV, AA & PB Register (1938) as Owned by Miss Mary Russell. Leaving you the list of progeny listed from allbreeds. As you will see the last two are by BAYTOWN 1925, a direct link to Mary Russell.
BEDOUIN10 H 1935 LE PHARE RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
LOTUS II2 b M 1936 LE PHARE RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
LOTUS LILY3 M LE PHARE RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
LOTUS81 M 1936 LE PHARE RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
PROTOTYPE6 H 1933 LE PHARE RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
RAMINA21 br M 1938 MANACLE3 RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
RAZOR2 br G 1940 ORTHOS2 RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
REZIN ch C 1937 LE PHARE RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
RUMADI2 b H 1943 BAYTOWN RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
RUTBAH3 br H 1942 BAYTOWN RAZZIA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
-----------------
RASANA - 1928. link
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rasana3
GHEZALA4 gr M 1934 FARIS3 RASANA3 ARABIAN Edit
LE RA H 1933 LE PHARE RASANA3 ANGLOARABIAN TB Edit
TAZEE2 gr M 1932 JOSEPH3 RASANA3 ARABIAN Edit
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/tazee2 TAZEE was bred by Lady Yule and went to holland.
-------------------------------------
Here is the link to: Ghezala (exported to S.Africa).
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/ghezala4
-------------------
Lady Yule, used Le Phare (TB).
---------------------
Interesting bit in the 1948 - Part Arab Stud Book- Vol IV.
Both Mrs A S Russell & Miss Mary Russell have a horse each listed on page 33, Mrs Russell - Valentine I , 1933,Grery, (Malice/Silverspray(Arab/TB)
and
Miss Russell - Valentine II ,1943, Bay (Rafi, by Akal./dam.Polo pony)
----------------------------------------------
Notes on the Quantock from H & H. 2004.
Report mentions 1902...
Hunt facts: Quantock Staghounds
Hunt: dates from 1902, but really started in its present shape in 1917. Then the government of the day paid Col Sir Dennis Boles MP for the upkeep of four horses, 10 couple of hounds and the wages of two men for a season, to re-establish the Quantock Red Deer herd, which had become reduced to about 35 due to poaching and the wartime shortage of meat. The herd now numbers more than 600
and
Sir Dennis Boles, served in India in the war and married Monica, from Ruckley Grange...this is about 1 mile from me...what a small world.
Lieutenant-Colonel Dennis Coleridge Boles (4 June 1885 – 25 April 1958)
Dennis Boles was the son of Francis James Coleridge Boles (brother of Sir Dennis Boles) of Rackenford Manor, Devon and Charlotte Jones (sister of Walter Jones). He was educated at Eton, where he was President of "Pop", and set a record score of 183 in the Eton v Harrow cricket natch at Lord's in 1904. He also played cricket for Devon in the Minor Counties Championship between 1903 and 1909.[1] After Sandhurst, where he won the Sword of Honour, he was commissioned in the 17th Lancers and served in India. In the Great War he served on the Staff of the 5th Indian Cavalry Brigade in France, and then saw active service in France and Ireland as Adjutant of the 17th Lancers. Dennis was a noted polo player, winning the Coronation Cup for the 17th Lancers against an Argentine team in 1922, and playing for the British Army against the American Army in 1925. In 1928 he became Lieutenant-Colonel of the Royal Horse Guards, and Silver Stick to the King, before leaving the Army in 1936. He married Monica, the daughter of John Reid-Walker of Ruckley Grange, Shifnal, in 1921 and had two sons and one daughter.
----------------------------------
Pelle, poss an interesting bit for you. I found a Mr Alexander Sherwood Russell, a British Engineer working in Madras,India in 1898, wonder if this gent was linked to Mrs Russell, that just might explain the link with India and these imports.
Here he is:
1894 RUSSELL Alexander Sherwood late Madras Public Works Dept Trained at RIE Coll joined the service 1st Oct 1875 asst to chief engr and under sec to govt irrign branch in 1882 exec engr April 1886 retd June 1899.
---------------------------
Pelle,
I'm also searching for the list of Huringham ponies, ie: trying to find out if Silverspray is amongst them, just maybe she was an import.(just my thoughts).Any idea if there is a list of registered Polo ponies with Hurlingham, from around the 1920 - 1930's...
The chap who deals with their archives is away on holiday at the mo...
Cheers Sue
|
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 05 Jul 2010 6:24:00 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 09:41:59 AM
|
Still nothinmg more on Silverspray, the chap from Hurlingham is still away on holiday, he goes to New England for the Summer and not back yet, but this I have had from the London branch..nothing to report..maybe the fact that she(Silverspray had a nasty splint has kept her out the showing from that time...still mor to find on this mare and if there is a link between Mary Russell & Mrs Russell.
Sue..Keep at it Folks. more info wanted....
Reply from Hurlingham Archives.
I went through the National Polo Stud books for 1928 and the years before and after it and there was no record of Silverspray that I could find. I did find mention of Silverdale in multiple places (variations on Silverdale, a horse than won many honors). I also had the Jan-March 1928 issues of The Polo Monthly including coverage of the annual national horse show but again no mention of a horse of Silverspray. I did not have any Hurlingham programs for 1928 but only 1927 (and other years). I did not have a Polo Calendar for 1928 unfortunately (I only have 3 of them which were published annually by The Polo Monthly). The net results is that I could not come with any mention of Silverspray. The year perhaps is incorrect because if it were truly a famous mare, it would pop up somewhere in The National Polo Stud books. See if Sue Evans has any more details to trace this horse as I have come up empty handed but am sure I must have something in my collection if I could get more details. |
Sue
|
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Pelle
Bronze Member
Sweden
141 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jun 2013 : 5:11:59 PM
|
Mother found an old book in a box. Catalogue of the Thirty-Ninth Annual Show of the NATIONAL PONY SOCIETY in conjunction with the ARAB HORSE SOCIETY.
Class 41 RIDING CLASS - ANGLOARAB or PARTBREDARAB STALLIONS , MARES and GELDINGS of any age, entered or accepted for entry in the Anglo-arab and Partbred Arab register.
266 MRS. A.S.Russel, Longfrey,Chilworth, near Guildford,Surrey.
Valentine (Novice) (Anglo-Arab), grey colt, 5 years old.
Sire:Malice (G.S.B Vol 26, p 1,335)
Dam: Silver Spray (Anglo-Arab) (NPS A.M.R. p 388)
Bred by Mrs A.S.Russel.
And in Class 5, TWO-YEAR OLD FILLIES
There i a handwritten note : Late entry Silver Lass by L'ete Indiene (grey arab stallion,(Licensed under Horse Breeding Act 1918)
Dam Silver Spray (Anglo-Arab). |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2013 : 10:04:50 PM
|
Back on the case:
This is from the Thoroughbred Stud Book.
http://www.pedigreequery.com/valentine22
This is as far as I got with Silver spray the dam of Valentine and owned by Mrs Russell.
Tell me what you think.
Sue.
|
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 03 Oct 2013 11:12:36 AM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Rozy Rider
Platinum Member
United Kingdom
4545 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2013 : 10:17:47 PM
|
Back on the case and moving.
This is as far as I've got with Silver spray.
, |
Sue
|
Edited by - Rozy Rider on 04 Oct 2013 3:58:30 PM |
| Report to Moderator |
|
|
Topic |
|
SILVER SPRAY Mare 1912 ish.
