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Rozy Rider
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 Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 02:48:48 AM
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Please can someone with the PBAR Vol. VII check to see if there is a mare of this name registerd - SUNRISE - from around the 1960 ies, please and tell me how she is bred and what colour she is...I'm looking for a MARE with Palomino breeding.
Thanks you
Sue/Rozy
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Edited by - Rozy Rider on 29 Jul 2009 11:10:22 AM
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Melynda
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Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 08:47:32 AM
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No mare Sunrise but a colt Sunrise born 1960 by Dancing Gold out of Golden Sally (PBAR V)
He was a Palomino bred by Mrs F. Upton.
There is a mare Sunstar by him out of Unknown mare born 1967 in PBAR VIII, Palomino bred by Miss J. Hewitt. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 1:04:11 PM
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Hi Melynda, Thank you for your trouble. Is it possible to tell me if there is anything, male or female with the Monclare prefix, that says anything about a Sunrise. Thanks Sue
PS. Someone has altered all the old Palomino breeding we entered some time ago, after all the research we did, they have failed to secect the correct breeding and put the marker in the first horse that comes up on the selection listing and in most cases it is wrong......might take ages to get it all sorted out.
Thank goodness I kept copies of all or most of the palomino poines we researched previously and my memory is still good. Only have the one PBAR Vol.X 1969/1970ish.
The colt SUNRISE was put in the position of the mare on one of the allbreeds pedigrees, so someone got that one wrong too.
Thank you again.
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Melynda
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Posted - 15 Jul 2009 : 7:54:31 PM
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I might have found her!!!
Pinnerwood Sunrise (1967), filly, pal, s.Shergolds Golden Dusk (PBAR VI) d. Pinnerwood Capri, Breeder Mrs A. M. Angold
The only other one is Greenacres Sunrise but she is a dun filly.
This was my earlier reply;
Sorry, haven't found any more Sunrise so far.
PBAR VII
Monclare Bonanza, 1965, colt, ch, s. Algolson (AHSB VIII) d. Shergolds Honeysuckle, Breeder Mrs R. Collins.
PBAR VIII
Monclare's Gleaming Jupitor, 1967, colt, pal, s. Springvale Golden Gleamson d. Misty Morning (PBAR VI), Breeder T. J. C. Munday
Monclare's Sandman, 1967, colt, pal, s. Sundowner d. April's Golden Glory, Breeder Mrs T. Munday.
Monclare High Kick (1967) filly, ch, s.Classic Chi?s d. Somersault (AHSB VIII) Breeder Mrs T. Munday
Monclare Lotus Flower (1966), filly, pal, s. Maydaymarksman (PBAR VI) d.Unknown, Breeder Mr H. J. Evans
Monclare Stormy (1967), filly, ch, s. Gornoeth Midnight d. Gail of Kingsholme (AHSB VIII), breeder Mr & Mrs G. T. greenwood |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 26 Jul 2009 : 12:58:48 AM
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Hi Melynda, I'm a bit interested in the Greenacres Sunrise, any chance you could give me the info on that one.. Greenacres was local to us and Shepley,Monclare etc. and I know that Mrs Munday often dropped the frefix, if it was not hers.
The Sunrise I am after was recorded to be in the PBAR Vol.VII 1960.
(this was the only way the offsprings could get registration, if they had Arab blood).
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Melynda
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Posted - 26 Jul 2009 : 1:10:53 PM
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Greenacres Sunrise (PBAR Vol VIII)
1966, dun filly by Cusop Sunray out of Foxey Lass (PBAR Vol VI) bred by Mrs D. B. Morgan,
The only horse registered with the name Sunrise in the PBAR Vol VII is the male palomino born 1960 by Dancing Gold out of Golden Sally (PBAR Vol V) bred by Mrs F. Upton.
Could the mare have been wrongly registered as a male? I haven't got access to studbook corrections from the AHS.
Or could the breeders have got the stallion and mare mixed up in the pedigree? It does happen sometimes.
I have looked through the mare/filly section in PBAR Vol VII again and only found these similair names;
Ashby Sunkist 1960, chestnut by Cervin out of Ashby Golden Dawn
Gwendraeth Golden Rose, 1965, pal, by Mayday Marksman out of Golden Sunset
Merington Sunavon, 1965, chestnut, by Cervin out of unknown
Suncharm, 1965, chestnut by Selim out of Charmaine
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 : 4:41:59 PM
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Hi.Melinda
Quote....Or could the breeders have got the stallion and mare mixed up in the pedigree? It does happen sometimes.
Well it looks like this Sunrise is a mare, as she's the dam of Monclare Desert Sunset 1970, bred by Mrs Munday at Monclare Stud and on checking in PBAR Vol.X, pg 121, you will find, like me, that MONCLARE DESERT SUNSET is by SUNDOWNER (PBAR VI) and out of SUNRISE, PBAR. Vol.V. So I guess someone has got it wrong. SUNRISE is recorded as by Dancing Gold, out of Golden Sally(PBAR Vol.V).
Please Melynda can you take a look and tell me what breeding GOLDEN SALLY (PBAR Vo.V.)has listed for her, as she should be a part bred Arab too. And have you any idea where Mrs F.Upton came from.
Hope that makes sense.
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Melynda
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 : 8:07:39 PM
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Hi Sue,
Sorry, can't help you with PBAR Vol V as I haven't got it.
Pelle or Lynda might be able to help you as I think they have mentioned that volume in another thread. |
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Pelle
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Posted - 27 Jul 2009 : 9:06:22 PM
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| PBA vol V is with my mother, will phone her tomorrow and ask her to get the information about Sunrise and Golden Sally and will be back. |
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Lynda
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 09:10:08 AM
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Sunrise 1960 Palomino colt by Dancing Gold out of Golden Sally.
Golden Sally 1949 Vol V Chestnut filly by Jaleel AHSB out of "Unknown".
This is the only info I have been able to find, but hope it helps.
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 12:32:07 PM
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Hi Lynda, Thanks for the info. I think we've established that theis Sunrise 1960 was in fact a mare, as she is registered as the dam of Monclare Desert Sunset in PBAR Vol.X. entered by Mrs Munday so it should be correct. I have changed the allbreeds to suit. and made a note in my PBAR.
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Nimlat
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Posted - 28 Jul 2009 : 10:09:37 PM
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Hi Sue,again. I might not be able to give much info but at least I can supply a pic. Here is Golden Sally, from the same publication as Gale.
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Rozy Rider
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Nimlat
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Posted - 29 Jul 2009 : 11:42:14 AM
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Sorry Sue - no info given other than the name in the top left-hand corner. The booklet was issued with the approval of the British Show
Pony Society, compiled by R.S.Summerhays - so should be pretty accurate. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 31 Jul 2009 : 11:31:26 PM
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Thank you Nimlat.
Linda, make a note in you PBAR that SUNRISE ( we think is a mare not a colt).
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Pelle
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Posted - 01 Aug 2009 : 12:24:31 PM
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I dont want to spoil your day......but in PBA vol VIII page 93 is a mare called Sunstar born 1967, palomino,
bred by Miss J Hewitt
sire: Sunrise PBA VII
dam: Unknown |
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Melynda
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Posted - 01 Aug 2009 : 9:06:17 PM
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That was my first reply to this thread.
Have found this Sunrise listed in the Part Bred Arab Section of the Pony Stallion Guide Season 1971 with Mrs J. E. Hewitt, Peterborough as the owner. |
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Melynda
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Posted - 01 Aug 2009 : 9:12:14 PM
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That was my first reply to this thread.
Have found this Sunrise listed in the Part Bred Arab Section of the Pony Stallion Guide Season 1971 with Mrs J. E. Hewitt, Peterborough as the owner.
"tell me if there is anything, male or female with the Monclare prefix, that says anything about a Sunrise."
You couldn't be looking for a mare called SUNFLOWER?
There is a Palomino stallion called Monclare Golden Knight
in the same publication.
he was born 1969, by Sundowner out of Sunflower by Mr Sun Tan.
If Monclare had this mare Sunflower she might have had some more foals for them. |
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Rozy Rider
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Posted - 01 Aug 2009 : 9:30:32 PM
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Hi All, I think this means there must have been more than one SUNRISE.
Pelle, Get your Mom to check out Vol X of the PBAR .page 121 for the dam of Monclare Desert Sunrise (1970).
Q. Have we got a date of birth for Mrs Hewits Colt Sunrise.
and how is he bred. He is Mrs Hewits stallion and has anyone found any stock by him...or anything else..
SUNRISE (1960)the mare can be found listed as a dam, on page 121 of Vol.X of the PBAR, she's down as the dam of Monclare Desert Sunset (1970) Ch. bred by Mrs Munday at Monclare. You would have thought that the breader would have got it right. This is all I can find for
a mare.
Sounds very much like we have two different horses..
Keep looking folks we'll crack it..I can always give Mrs Munday a ring, as I did before, about Sundowner.she's not too far from me...but only has TB's now...
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