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traceyjoanne
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 Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 12:19:44 AM
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Had dentist today to my arab mare leisha and my friesian priya
well she starts with leisha bearing in mind she been done before by the same lady dentist
she starts off by going in with the rasp after a little feel around at this point the gadget not on
well leisha was not too happy backs away till she was right at the back or the stable then eyes rolled back and she collapsed to the floor
as you can imagine i s**t myself
as soon as she hit the floor she came round then spent a little while trying to scramble up
calmed her down and took her out of stable for little walk she was fine no injuries
went into outdoor school and dentist finished the rasping with and without the gadget on
no problems
anyone had this before it was like she feinted
no problems with teeth dentist thought she might of had a cracked back tooth and it was painful but they were all fine
priya my 4 yr old friesian has not been done before and after this think both or us were bit dubious as she is 16.2 and did not fancy her doing the same
anyway straight away she felt an unerupted wolf tooth ans said that this and one that had erupted needed removing which requires sedation and vet in attendance
so this has been arranged for next month but she did give her a tiny raspin to see how she would be and she never batted an eyelid bless her
tracey
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geegee
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England
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 09:31:26 AM
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It sounds to me like your mare felt so forced and trapped that she actually went into a catatonic state, in order to deal with the stress of it all. Not good and if she were my horse, I would be having serious words with my dentist.
Sensitive horses need gentle handling and time....
My dentist is not allowed to continue any treatment until my horses relax, if they start to get fearful then we take a step back, let them calm and then continue. Approach and retreat in small steps and you have a much happier horse. 
Let's face it, the dentist is never going to be a pleasant experience, it isn't for humans! but we all know from our own experience that if our own dentist were to pin us down and carry on when we are in a state of panic, then we certainly wouldn't go back to them!
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Tonim
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 11:02:28 AM
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I had a similar experience with my mare quite a few years ago now (she's sadly no longer with us).It was whilst she was having her teeth done and she suddenly fainted. The dentist just said it happens occasionally and wasn't overly concerned. I know that we spoke to the vet about it as obviously I was very worryied and if I remember right, he said something about it probably being to do with the angle that her head was at or something? I'm sorry I can't really remember much more than that as it was such a long time ago.
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MinHe
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England
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 11:05:32 AM
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I had an equine dentist to my lot when my boys were about 4/5. Everything seemed OK except when he did Roup and said he needed to extract his wolf teeth. When he did extract them, pretty much the same thing happened to Roup as you describe - his eyes went googly and he just collapsed. Since then, I can't get anything in his mouth except a bit (and that took a long time) and having his teeth looked at is just impossible 
I went back to having the vet do the others' teeth after that!
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weirton
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 11:29:11 AM
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I have had bad experiences with dentists and have gone back to the vet doing all teeth and no more problems.
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Zan
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 11:54:38 AM
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Once when I was checking my horses in the field at night I inadvertently turned my torch full on Rosa's face. She threw her head up out of the glare and collapsed. She got straight back up and was fine, but I was horrified. When I spoke to my vet he said that if a horse raises its head suddenly at a certain angle it causes brief unconsciousness.
Since dentists are dealing with horses raising their heads all the time, I would question the level of training of a particular dentist if they are not aware of this.
I am with Weirton and only use my vet for teeth---though he has done certificates in dentistry and I am well aware that some vets who have no interest in teeth aren't brilliant with teeth. I would go for a vet with the extra dentistry qualifications any day over a "dentist" whose "training" and qualifications may have been a summer course in Australia. |
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Kharidian
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Posted - 23 Jun 2009 : 11:57:49 AM
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I'm with Tonim here, probably to do with the angle of her head, maybe trapping a nerve/blood vessel and causing a "faint". In evolutionary terms, a faint is the best way to get over a lack of blood to the head - when you're on the floor/head between knees etc then your body is no longer fighting gravity and the blood supply is improved.
Has your mare had a head trauma? A stallion I knew threw his head up and banged his poll (startled by something), and a couple of times after that he sort of fainted if he was in a similar position.
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traceyjoanne
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England
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 11:19:18 AM
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hi no my mare has never had a head trauma and i have had the same dentist for 5 years so i can only presume it was due to the head angle as she was in no pain once the dentist had checked her teeth as she thought she may have had a cracked tooth with her reaction but they were all fine
might also of been a combination of the hot weather who knows!!!
she was fine no injuries and has been fine since |
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Gerri
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 11:32:45 AM
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It must have been very frightening for you and your mare bless her, I cannot comment anymore than that as never come across this before, but glad she is okay |
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traceyjoanne
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England
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 12:52:17 PM
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my dentist is highly qualified and works in conjunction with my vet too as i had to have them both a few years ago when a different arab needed major work on his teeth
i would never let anyone do anything to any of my horses without checking their qualifications out first |
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MinHe
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England
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Posted - 24 Jun 2009 : 2:12:39 PM
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I won't mention the name of the guy who did Roup, but he was the first British guy to go to America to 'qualify' there as an equine dentist, and was featured a lot in mags, etc, so I believed he would be OK!!!
Still sticking with vets now, even though my brilliant vet retired a few years back.
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traceyjoanne
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England
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Posted - 29 Jun 2009 : 4:54:16 PM
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hi all an update on leisha she had a seizure vet confirmed today
like i said my vet and dentist work closely together and discussed leisha at length before the vet came to see her
it was not caused by the dentist it was just one of those things that happen for no apparent reason like any animal or human having a seizure
she may or may not have another one noone can tell but she is not to be ridden for at least 3 weeks everything else to be as normal eg lunging etc and to monitor her
if nothing in 3 weeks then can get back riding her to start in school then if all ok back to complete normality
so i just have everything crossed that it was a one off
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BeckyBoodle
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Posted - 29 Jun 2009 : 5:31:17 PM
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Glad you have an answer - it must have been very traumatic. Hope things go to plan over the next couple of weeks.
I use an equine dentist unless I need her sedated, eg to have her wolf teeth out, and the guy I use was recommended and is fab. On her first time despite her being on her own in a darkish stable and a very claustrophobic horse, she was calm as anything and there was loads of head cuddles by the end. You have to go with who you feel is competent and who you trust. Personally, I prefer a teeth specialist, but it is so hard to tell who has a proper qualification or ability and who just has the piece of paper sometimes, if that makes sense.
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basbob
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Posted - 29 Jun 2009 : 5:45:19 PM
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