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Slave 2 Magic
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 Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 11:49:05 AM
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There is a thoroughbred filly at the same yard as Magic. The owner hasn't been near for ages and owes the YO a lot of money. On Saturday the filly started colicing and she has gone steadily down hill since then. The poor girl looks so depressed and the YO has put her out in a small paddock as she was injuring herself in the stable. The owner paid for one vet visit but either can't or won't pay for any more treatment. He won't even pay for the filly to be PTS. If I could afford it I would get the bloody vet to PTS myself. She is just standing with her head hanging and every morning I expect to see her passed away. No horse deserves this and Im going back this aft to give her a cuddle. It won't help her pain but at least she may feel for a while that she's not alone.
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Kharidian
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 11:53:09 AM
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Contact the RSPCA? If the filly's in pain something needs to be done - urgently. Is the YO doing anything apart from turning her out?
What a dreadful situation.
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Kelly
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 11:56:15 AM
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Oh, that's so awful. Is there something actually mentally WRONG with the owner - I can't understand WHY anyone would do that.
Even if you could get the money together to have her PTS, I really don't think you should. It might be kinder for her, but you don't have the legal right and you would probably get into trouble.
This has really upset me - poor filly. You spending time with her will make her feel better, no doubt about it. Could some of the other liveries do the same?
Why is she still colicking? I don't have much experience, but don't some minor cases come right on their own? Obviously, this is not a minor case.
Bl**dy owner.....
Edited to add - I've just come back to suggest RSPCA, ILPH, too - ring all of them..... |
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Zan
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:03:13 PM
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| This is really bad---the YO should be putting their foot down here and not allowing this to happen. I defnitely second calling the RSPCA. Failing to get veterinary attention is prosecutable.Presumably she is not eating or drinking which means by now she will be dehydrated. There is no way I would stand by and allow this to continue. |
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Slave 2 Magic
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:03:48 PM
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| Our YO is doing all she can without legal rights. She has been up every hour for the past 3 night trying to syringe some fluids into the filly. She is on the phone constantly trying to get the owners permission to put the filly out of her misery. It had crossed my mind that it could be grass sickness. She was racing fit anyway but has lost so much weight in the last 3 days she's like a walking skeleton. |
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brychens mum
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:07:53 PM
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bloody awful! I bet the person just doesnt have the money or no scruples.
The yard I am on has just had two liveries 'leave' or do a flit. They owed in excess of £1K and offered their eldest horse in return for outstanding fees. The YO turned down the offer as she doesnt want to end up owning a veteran and paying for vets fees etc and said she wasnt hard hearted enough to have selling him at auction prob for meat to get her money back.
I know it sounds awful but expecting the YO to foot the bill might not be realistic as many yards just break even and once they pay for one horse where do they draw the line?
Do you have any local horse charaties that might help? |
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Zan
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:09:35 PM
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| The livery contract is severly lacking if the YO doesn't have the right to seek veterinary attention for a sick horse!!! Perhaps you should suggest to her that she tells the opwner unless he gets the vet back pronto she will be reporting him to the RSPCA, and that she has kept a log book of events since the filly became il---i.e. one vet visit, no follow up vet visit, and horse basically abandoned so that she has had to care for her. Her testimony here could probably get a prosecution. |
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precious
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:22:31 PM
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I would contact the RSPCA or ILPH asap explain situation they will be able to force imedicate vet treatment for the mare!!!!!!!
Poor mare the vet might even be able to save her. |
     
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rosie
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:27:13 PM
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what a horrible situation.
Feel so sorry for the horse, & you & the YO to have to witness what is happening.
Definitely agree with contacting the RSPCA/ILPH.
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geegee
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:31:59 PM
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The YO has every right to contact the RSPCA. She only has to give them the same details that you have put in your thread and somebody will HAVE to respond....
The owner needs shooting 
Poor, poor filly |
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Reagarth
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:33:13 PM
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Sorry - no messing around here - get the RSPCA in asap. No horse should be allowed to suffer - this has to be sorted for the poor filly 
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kimzi
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 12:37:45 PM
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Duty of Care, states clearly the animal has a right to not be kept in pain, the owner is actually breaking the law.
Which area of the country are you in S2M, i would happily play advocate if you need an anonymous call made. |
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flaxen
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 1:03:24 PM
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Slave To Magic
If the horse is suffering and warrants immediate euthanasia on welfare grounds the vet can put her down without the owners consent. We did this when we had a horse come in to the hospital with severe colic and the owner was abroad, the horse was going to die without surgery and the owner had left no instructions. We put the horse down to stop its suffering, we didnt know at the time whether it was insured or not- it turned out that it wasnt and the owner couldnt afford to pay the euthanasia and disposal costs which was about £300 let alone colic surgery at £5k.
I personally would ring the rspca and explain about her being neglected and sick and ask for a log number, then ring the vet and say that you have a log number from the rspca that will enable them to recover costs and ask the vets to come out and look at her. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 1:04:07 PM
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The Yard owner, when taking money for liveried horses, also has a Duty of Care to ensure all horses on her premises, are properly cared for.
She must now act responsibly and report the owner to the RSPCA or ILPH as the Owner`s neglect is actually a prosecutable offence!!! This poor filly SHOULD NOT be allowed to suffer and needs urgent veterinary attention
Please tell your YO she must act immediately, otherwise she may well find herself in trouble, for allowing the Filly owner to abandon and neglect his horse
Babs
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alison
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 1:40:28 PM
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By law the yo can give notice that he will sell the filly to recover monies owed to him/her. But the urgent case here is the welfare of the filly. I have never known colic to go on for 4 days so I would presume there is a further underlying problem? I don't know how many are on your yard? would it be possible to all cub together to pay for treatment? If not I would call in the RSPCA immediately as this is a welfare issue and I feel very sorry for this poor filly. Please keep us informed of the outcome, hope things change for the good though.
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avanti
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 1:42:23 PM
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Hi Magic,ring the RSPCA/ILPH right away,its not right that people leave their animals to other people to deal with,if she goes down and can't get up it still takes days for her to die, it will be very painful for her, so sorry you are stuck with this,
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nikki
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 1:50:43 PM
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| how awful, agree with everyone else, call the ilph/rspca |
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Cage Alma Arabians
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 2:00:54 PM
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As a veterinary nurse I would contact a vet- probably whoever came out to her once. Having seen the filly they have a "duty of care" to stop the her suffering even if there is no money available at the time- they can always press for costs from the owner later. Having called the vet once, the owners have accpeted the filly needs care and so are responsible and the vet could then go to court for costs later if necessary.
Either the owner or yard owner needs this sorting immediately.
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Gerri
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 2:06:27 PM
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| Sorry but when we had a yard as the owners we would take it upon ourselves to bring the vet if a horse was injured or suffering and we paid the vet bill direct and then billed the owner and it was also written in the livery agreement that we would do such if needed if we could not get hold of the owners. If a horse is in need of veterinary assistance and was suffering I think that is enough legally to warrant calling the vet as you also have the back up of the visiting vet. The RSPCA should have been called immediately, this is terrible how long has this poor horse been suffering for?? however long it is, it is a second too long in my book. surely to see it in pain is enough to do Something!!!!!!!!!if you won't call the vet or RSPCA send me the details and I will do it from here in France PLEASE!!!!!!!!! |
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Debbie
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 2:19:28 PM
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As a livery yard owner myself, I have a written contract which states that if a horse is injured or in distress I can call the vet out and the owner of the horse will be billed direct from the vets. All of my clients are with the same practice and I just phone up give the horses name and the bill goes to them.
This mare needs assistance asap either from the vets or the RSPCA as already stated by just about everyone who has responded on here. |
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faymouse
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 2:32:02 PM
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| Tell me where it is and I will report to ILPH it is there to protect horses and must be allowed to do its job .Please! No names just send me an email or PM.X |
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precious
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England
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 3:00:58 PM
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hopefully the rspca will take the matter as urgency and visit same day! If the mare is still alive!
Must be so hard for you slave to magic but this call might be the last loving act you could do for the filly. Just fingers crossed she can be helped |
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natntaz
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 4:30:55 PM
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As others have said the YO should have an agreement where
they can call a vet when a horse is ill. We had a situation
on saturday with a horse falling into a river and there was
no way of getting him out without help. I as a manager of the
yard immediatly called the fire brigade and vet straight away
with no care for who would pay the bill. The animals welfare
was my first priority. I would do the same in any emergency
situation and colic past a certain point would be an emergency.
If your YO does not feel that she can do this she should phone
RSPCA or ILPH as others have said. The owner of this filly should
be done for cruelty and stopped from having animals if they are
not willing to pay to help the poor animal.
I really hope this poor filly does not have to suffer any
longer than need be. Lets hope something is done ASAP.
I would happily report anyone who i felt was treating an
animal badly or making it suffer even a best friend. |
   
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Slave 2 Magic
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 4:47:26 PM
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Have just returned from the yard and the filly is now at peace. After constant phone calls to the owner our YO finally got his permission to put the filly out of her misery. She paid for it herself. At least the poor girl is no longer suffering. It makes me angry that this excuse for a man has one other horse with us and several more at different yards. He owes all the YO's money and doesn't give a t*** about them! |
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radfan
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 4:56:04 PM
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| RIP little one. At least now she is not suffering. People like her owner drive me nuts. They should be banned from keeping animals completely. Disgusts me! |
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gossy
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Posted - 16 Jun 2009 : 5:40:52 PM
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| cant speak, so mad, i could kill,as soon as it became clear owner was not interested the ILPH or RSPCA should have been called, they would have took it on,then at least this poor filly might of had a chance at life with someone else that cared. |
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