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Libby Frost
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 United Kingdom
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 Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 7:14:10 PM
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IM NOT MENTIONING WHERE THIS OCCURED AS IT DOESNT MATTER NOW and has been going on for years anyway  But just how fair is it when a judge at a show judges an animal by /his her own stallion ( not bred by the judge ) some one used their stallion?? and then entered it,at a show knowing full well the above? im just mildy curious ,find it amusing ,and find the exhibitor to be a shmuck,putting the judge in that position. Right, over too you............. spoze it would be funny if they put it last...... lol
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Edited by - Libby Frost on 08 Jun 2009 10:20:13 PM
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Zenitha
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England
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 8:35:42 PM
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Well personally, (has this actually happened somewhere ?) I wouldn't think it would be fair on either the judge or the other competitors to expect them to judge a horse by their own stallion. JMO  |
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angelarab
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Wales
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 8:36:07 PM
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i know nothing, so please don't shoot my thoughts peeps
The judge did not choose the mare or plan what the mating would produce if they had that would be in my eyes a no no and they should not judge that animal as in a round about why they have had influence over the breeding.
I hope that the judge would have the ability to completely detach from the fact they own the stallion sire and judge the offspring for it's own merits or bring in another judges opinion. akward one |
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weirton
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 9:15:57 PM
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This has happened in the past but if the breeder has sold the offspring, or it has been passed on a few times, it is very possible (even probable) that the judge wouldn't be aware it is by their stallion. Likewise if the new owner had no knowledge of who owned the stallion it probably wouldn't even occur to them that it may have been owned by the judge. There are of course always those who will try it on.
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natntaz
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England
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 10:05:32 PM
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I would think it would be totally wrong for a judge
to judge a horse that is out of there own stallion
but that said and done nothing surprises me in the
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Libby Frost
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 10:19:16 PM
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| "They" knew how it was bred,as it was announced after the class, and im sure it got reserve champion at this particular show |
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weirton
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 10:21:22 PM
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The onus is on the exhibitor as the judge may have no way (not having access to a catalogue) of recognising stock by his/her stallion. Mares sent to the stallion are covered and sent home and can appear in the ring two or three years later without the stallion owner ever having seen them and in some cases may not have even met the breeder as some mares arrive at the stud with transporters.
We once had a mare arrive with a transporter from Scotland with a label stuck on it's quarters saying 'Forfar to Gloucester' and never met the owners. They were just names on the paperwork.
Just seen the previous post. Surely if the judge didn't know until after the class it is too late to do anything about it except to refuse to judge it in the championship.
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vjc
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 10:28:07 PM
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| I was asked to judge at a local show but even though it was just a pony club show because i knew a horse i bred was going i abstained, surely you cannot judge if you stand the sire to produce in the ring, or have bred produce in the ring! |
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jasjmm
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Posted - 08 Jun 2009 : 10:58:33 PM
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Well, the only thing I would say is that it is probably likely to happen bearing in mind the number of people who breed Arabians/stand stallions in this country and the small "pool" of judges. I think you would have to trust in a judge's discretion to "do the right thing". And don't forget, it could go the other way, and the horse be judged harshly or at least more sternly as a result. Always, I think, the English system is "subjective", ie one person's opinion on the day, not "objective" as is possibly more so with the European system (at least if one of the judges is GLARINGLY out of sync with the others, it shows...!). At the end of the day, we all know it SHOULD be the best horse that wins on the day, regardless. But you either show under an individual, or you don't. Its a rather stark choice these days...
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 08:11:21 AM
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| I judged at a local show a few years back. Now almost everyone knows I love Carmargue stock and there was a Carmargue son there , (I instantly recognised the breeding and can usually spot one from a mile away ) but on the day he was NOT the best horse in the ring and I placed a very smart bay first . I heard later that the owner of the Carmague Gelding was livid as she took the horse expecting to win under me.! a judge should not be biesed but there will always be a few who are. |
   
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angelarab
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Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 08:12:41 AM
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| so i can understand as a newbie to showing. If my geldings Sire was sold to a new owner who happend to be a judge of a class i wanted to go in, i should not enter? I understand i cannot show under a judge who bred my gelding that i do get. |
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kimzi
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Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 08:32:55 AM
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| Everyone should be accountable for this situation, exhibitor, judge and organiser. We ran into this hurdle in 2008 when a judge did'nt turn up, the other judge on the day who had to take on the non attending judges classes we had a 'conflict of interest' so heads where banged together and there was another list judge spectating who kindly stepped in last minute to judge our class. |
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weirton
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Posted - 09 Jun 2009 : 09:44:44 AM
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This happened to me once a long time ago. I entered in good faith and on the day the designated judge failed to arrive. There was a conflict of interest with the replacement judge ( there wasn't a reserve listed in the schedule) and I told the steward who asked me to wait in the collecting ring and when the judge had judged the class I would be placed in the line by the first available judge from whatever section!!! I waited patiently dreading I would get the welsh cob judge but fortunately the Hack judge came into the ring and I went out with a sigh of relief and a smile on my face.
It can't always be forseen and not every occurrence can be catered for, you just have to go with it sometimes. Nothing is perfect.
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