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nikki
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  1:43:59 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nikki to your friends list Send nikki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow what a super looking chap, has he been SCID tested?

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Berryscroft
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  4:17:00 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Berryscroft to your friends list Send Berryscroft a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Yes, he has been tested and came back clear :o)



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Berryscroft
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  4:22:40 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Berryscroft to your friends list Send Berryscroft a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Egbert,
We are in Devon, near Okehampton. Some of the Crabbet folks are aware of us ! I have spoken to Alexia Ross and Becky Ross, who suggested I make a Stud Display for the Nationals, which I did - so Saint was on display in the Crabbet Organisation's tent for the three days. Caroline Sussex has used Saint on a couple of her mares this year (before he came to live with us) and I met up with Anne Brown at the Nationals too.



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nikki
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  4:38:07 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nikki to your friends list Send nikki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
thats brilliant news! have sent you a pm!

pagey
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mogwai
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  4:42:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mogwai to your friends list Send mogwai a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wow! You lucky things, what a handsome devil he is!
Ros x
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gu-ku-vi
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  6:48:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gu-ku-vi to your friends list Send gu-ku-vi a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Congratulation with the result of the scidtest, about time it was done as Lenny is a carrier as everybody know.
I have deleted what I write as I regret it , sorry.



Gunni.

Edited by - gu-ku-vi on 29 Aug 2008 9:48:23 PM
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georgiauk
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  8:43:29 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add georgiauk to your friends list Send georgiauk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Gunni,

No offense meant but I think you are being a little over sensitive. After all you've been through you should have skin like raw hide we all know your made of sterner stuff

There are lots of us Crabbet enthusiasts who do a bit to preserve the Crabbet lines and don't very often get any recognition or encouragement it's not just because your overseas, I'm "Up North" but may as well be in the North Pole !

I didn't see the pics of your youngsters so if you want to post them again I'd love to see them
Here's a pic of Willow's half sister, now a 3 year old and turning Liver Chestnut





Edited to say Congratulations and Best of Luck with Winged Saint

Edited by - georgiauk on 28 Aug 2008 8:46:47 PM
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nikki
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Posted - 28 Aug 2008 :  9:17:11 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nikki to your friends list Send nikki a Private Message  Reply with Quote
gunni you have posted many lovely pics of your super crabbets, to which many of us arabliners posted equally lovely comments over the time you've been here.i agree with georgiauk.i'm not sure why you are getting so upset?

pagey
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madmonk
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 :  7:47:10 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add madmonk to your friends list Send madmonk a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Back to original posting...Berryscroft I knew Winged Saint when he was young. He was bred by Mr and Mrs Wright in Norfolk and it was whilst he still lived with them I used to go to their farm and help groom all their Arabians and untangle their long manes especially when they were expecting visitors to their stud.

He was a lovely chap, such a beautful chestnut and very showy in his field. He would scoot off with his tail over his back and fling big clumps of mud at me from his flying hooves. I had often wondered what happened to him and some of the younger mares after I moved away to Yorkshire and both the Wrights sadly passed away.

I am so glad to hear he has a lovely home and I wish you all the best with him.

Helen (Raymond's other half!)

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Berryscroft
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 :  11:06:19 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Berryscroft to your friends list Send Berryscroft a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Helen,

I have sent you a pm !

Terri :o)



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Athena
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 :  11:57:08 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Terri, Just got back from Africa and am catching up. Will reply to your email later.

Just thought I'd post up here what a "Saint" fan I am - have been since 1992 when I first saw him at the AHS Nationals. Not many horses move that well, even amongst Arabians. He is such a sweetheart too.

It is also no particular secret that I am hoping to breed my 100% Crabbet mare Narishka to Saint next year, as long as Terri and I can make the logistics work. Unfortunately the mare has a few veterinary issues since a bad foaling in 2005 but she had a super live colt foal this year so hopefully she can repeat her success with Saint - but a filly this time please! Fingers crossed.

In my humble opinion, he is definitely a horse that should be more widely used - pretty, great mover, super temperament and performance bloodlines too. What more could any Crabbet breeder want? Alexia
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Berryscroft
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 :  10:58:07 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Berryscroft to your friends list Send Berryscroft a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Saint says thank you very much for those kind words, Alexia. He is looking forward to meeting you when you have some time!



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Athena
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 :  4:59:01 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I sent this to you Terri, but thought others might be interested - or maybe know of Kay Harper - see below.

In the UK studbooks the following progeny are listed for Saint - frighteningly few! Kay's are not there yet but it does not add many.

1995 Moonshell ch.mare from Bint Lahtifah, 100% Crabbet, bred by Mr & Mrs D D Wright
1995 Lammtarra ch.stallion (geld?) from Lahtifah, 100% Crabbet, bred by Mr & Mrs D D Wright
1996 Moulton Storm ch.stallion (geld?) from Bint Lahtifah, 100% Crabbet, bred by Mr & Mrs D D Wright
1998 Silver Moon gr.stallion (geld?) from Moongleam, 100% Crabbet, bred by Mrs M De Popp
1998 Silver Brocade gr.mare from Silver Silk, 100% Crabbet, bred by Mrs M De Popp
1998 Moulton Aura gr.mare from Silver Auriole, Crabbet/CMK, bred by Mr & Mrs D D Wright, exp. to France
2002 Moulton Millennium ch.stallion from Lahtifah, 100% Crabbet, bred by Mr D D Wright (Mrs had died), bought by Gunni Schliemann
2005 Tiarella Rose gr.mare from Alardyn Tiarella, Crabbet/Egyptian, bred by Mrs J R England

I had a skim though my old endurance result records that John Hudson sends across to the Crabbet Org. and found that Moonshell was listed as winning 5 endurance rides in 2004 (don't know what distances) with a Mrs Kay Harper - unsurprisingly they appear to be all Norfolk rides, where the Wright's Moulton Stud used to be. You could try contacting the Norfolk AHS group or Sam Mattocks, editor of The Arabian, who is based in Norfolk, and see if anyone can put you in touch with Kay Harper. I presume your Mrs Harper cannot be the same person, but strange to see the name again associated with Saint.

Not many yet is it? But 2 exports plus a British National Ridden show champion and a winning endurance mare out of just 8 foals is not a bad record really.

The few extra bred by Kay Firth-Butterfield from her endurance broodmares are still young and yet to prove themselves of course although they include Silver Ingot's gorgeous 100% Crabbet filly Silver Serendipity.

Hope this helps.Alexia
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Badgworth
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 :  12:33:42 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Badgworth to your friends list Send Badgworth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I am new to arabianlines and how exciting to see your entry re Winged Saint who is the father of our 6wk old boy, mum Millie - Crabbet Royal Mantle sire Golden Mantel (Golden Scimitar/Silver Ingot) and dam Mellway Princess Royal (Sahara Kings Royal/Nakishmar?). Millie came to me early June having retired from endurance and apparently refused the attentions of your the Winged Saint. The idea was that we spent the rest of our days hacking out along the byeways of Somerset with no demands other than each other. What a dream to have a foal by Millie I carelessly thought. We all laughed - until the roundness and good doing continued and developed into a strong udder. Vet check x 2 and we were on alert; just 10 days later the beautiful bouncy boy arrived. I hav'nt yet worked out how to post photos on the site but anyway I'd love to be in touch to find out more about this Saintly father - he has a lot to answer for as Millie, a maiden mum and me; new to arabians, now have our hand full for some years to come!! A real delight though.
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Pauline
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 :  08:42:34 AM  Show Profile  Visit Pauline's Homepage  Click to see Pauline's MSN Messenger address  Send Pauline a Yahoo! Message Bookmark this reply Add Pauline to your friends list Send Pauline a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Here are the EGB results for Moonshell

Date Ride Rider Grade Distance

1 Aug 2004 Ringland Hills HARPER,K GR 1 34.0
18 Jul 2004 Kings Forest - Day 1 HARPER,K GR 1 50.0
20 Jun 2004 North Norfolk Coastal Ride HARPER,K GR 1 33.0
9 May 2004 Harling Forest HARPER,K GR 1 35.0
18 Apr 2004 Sandlings (Rendlesham) HARPER,K GR 1 40.0
20 Jul 2003 Kings Forest - Day 1 HARPER,K GR 1 40.0
28 Jun 2003 North Norfolk Coastal Ride HARPER,K GR 1 33.0
11 May 2003 Harling Forest HARPER,K GR 3 35.0

Pauline

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Athena
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 :  7:03:54 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Pauline

Here are the EGB results for Moonshell

Date Ride Rider Grade Distance

1 Aug 2004 Ringland Hills HARPER,K GR 1 34.0
18 Jul 2004 Kings Forest - Day 1 HARPER,K GR 1 50.0
20 Jun 2004 North Norfolk Coastal Ride HARPER,K GR 1 33.0
9 May 2004 Harling Forest HARPER,K GR 1 35.0
18 Apr 2004 Sandlings (Rendlesham) HARPER,K GR 1 40.0
20 Jul 2003 Kings Forest - Day 1 HARPER,K GR 1 40.0
28 Jun 2003 North Norfolk Coastal Ride HARPER,K GR 1 33.0
11 May 2003 Harling Forest HARPER,K GR 3 35.0

Pauline



How fascinating Pauline - are those numbers at the end distances? And are they in miles or Kilometres do you know? Be interesing to know if anyone out there in Norfolk actually knows Mrs Kay Harper - love to know what this mare is doing now. Alexia
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Athena
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 :  7:18:48 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Not sure if you've seen this one Terri - a Winged Saint colt born this year (very baby here) from endurance mare Royal Mantle aka "Millie".



Very adorable! Alexia
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Berryscroft
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 :  8:36:17 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Berryscroft to your friends list Send Berryscroft a Private Message  Reply with Quote
He is just beautiful - will he be liver chestnut or grey ? ?



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Pauline
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 :  8:57:17 PM  Show Profile  Visit Pauline's Homepage  Click to see Pauline's MSN Messenger address  Send Pauline a Yahoo! Message Bookmark this reply Add Pauline to your friends list Send Pauline a Private Message  Reply with Quote
yes the numbers at the end is distance in Km the number before is the grading (G1 is the best )

Will see if my friend in Norfolk knows Kay Harper


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Athena
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 :  9:42:03 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Berryscroft

He is just beautiful - will he be liver chestnut or grey ? ?



Not sure if he is going grey - would have expected black around the eyes if going grey this young, but hard to be sure. The owner is meant to be sending my updated PICs for our Crabbet Journal foal pages so, if I get some, I'll send them on to you. Alexia
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Di Ellis
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 :  5:02:39 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Di Ellis to your friends list Send Di Ellis a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Terri,
I have PM'd you.

D.S. Ellis
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Athena
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 :  11:59:12 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Badgworth

I am new to arabianlines and how exciting to see your entry re Winged Saint who is the father of our 6wk old boy, mum Millie - Crabbet Royal Mantle sire Golden Mantel (Golden Scimitar/Silver Ingot) and dam Mellway Princess Royal (Sahara Kings Royal/Nakishmar?). Millie came to me early June having retired from endurance and apparently refused the attentions of your the Winged Saint. The idea was that we spent the rest of our days hacking out along the byeways of Somerset with no demands other than each other. What a dream to have a foal by Millie I carelessly thought. We all laughed - until the roundness and good doing continued and developed into a strong udder. Vet check x 2 and we were on alert; just 10 days later the beautiful bouncy boy arrived. I hav'nt yet worked out how to post photos on the site but anyway I'd love to be in touch to find out more about this Saintly father - he has a lot to answer for as Millie, a maiden mum and me; new to arabians, now have our hand full for some years to come!! A real delight though.


Hi Bagworth, only just spotted your post - is it your colt that Kay sent me PICs of and that I've posted up on this thread? If so he looks lovely - do you have more up to date ones now? You must send some to me for the Crabbet Journal foal pages - I'll happily post them up here for you too if you would like. Alexia
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Badgworth
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Posted - 14 Sep 2008 :  10:08:42 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Badgworth to your friends list Send Badgworth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Alexia - yes thats my babe 'Omar', and thanks for posting his photo; we are all very proud especially as mum hid him away all those months. Terri has the very latest photo taken on 11th but now the sun is out I will send some better ones. Being new to Crabbets and arabians this has been a sharp learning curve especially as I am one of the 50 somethings! Bets are on he will go grey?
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Athena
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Posted - 14 Sep 2008 :  11:02:19 AM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Originally posted by Badgworth

Hi Alexia - yes thats my babe 'Omar', and thanks for posting his photo; we are all very proud especially as mum hid him away all those months. Terri has the very latest photo taken on 11th but now the sun is out I will send some better ones. Being new to Crabbets and arabians this has been a sharp learning curve especially as I am one of the 50 somethings! Bets are on he will go grey?


You have every right to be proud - looks a very lovely boy.

According to Rosemary Archer, if foals have black skin directly around the eye at birth/very young (like black eye liner!), they will go grey regardless of whether there are any grey hairs visible. If they are born with the skin around the eye more beige/pale, then they are going to stay a colour/ NOT grey. Does this help? Rosemary has never been wrong about one of her own yet so the above does seem to work.

I'll look forward to updated photos for our little foal gallery. Alexia
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Athena
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 :  12:03:31 PM  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Athena to your friends list Send Athena a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Been meaning to post this PIC up on this thread for a while - Most of you have probably seen this before but, just in case, here is a photo of Winged Saint's BNChampion ridden daughter Silver Brocade, bred by Maureen de Popp:


Photo by Alexia Ross 2006

Enjoy. Alexia
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