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Chris James
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 Posted - 26 Nov 2007 : 3:39:05 PM
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Hello Egbert,
I bought a lovely Ibn Estopa daughter G Enchantress last yearhttp://www.allbreedpedigree.com/g+enchantress she is a chestnut sabino. I would dearly love to breed a purebred foal (filly to keep) from her using a Camargue son, but the state of the market here is poor and I can't keep colts.
I'd be grateful to know if you think that a colt by a Camargue son might be a good cross, or if not perhaps you could suggest something that you think would be marketable as a colt foal?
Many thanks,
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Chris James
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saraht
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Annette
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 12:02:07 AM
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Hi Egbert,
What an amazing and informative thread this is. I think so many of us have learned so much from you Egbert.
After over 30 years of owning Arabs I am finally going to try and breed a foal or two and would really welcome some help and advice from you. I would really love to send my mare to Rusleem, my intention being to first have some fun inhand with the offspring, but just as important is to have a good performance horse for later.
What do you think of my choice of Rusleem or can you suggest any others for me. Here is thelink to allbreeds:
www.allbreedpedigree.com/g+sugarplum+faery
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Egbert
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 08:43:38 AM
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Originally posted by Silvern_SceprisHi Egbert, So glad to see this thread still going, it is soo informative!  Please could you tell me more about my friend's mare's breeding, OAS Sareema? http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/oas+sareemaThanks, Elizabeth 
Wooohoooo,
Elizabeth....this is my breeding program just with bigger splashes of white and probably greater size! She must be fabulous...Sire line to Nazeer, dam line to Zulima,the Spanish Syrian import-a Seglawi al Abd, triple Shaklan, double Bright Shadow and a touch of Bask. Phenomenal mover, PERFECT body and legs, eyes taking awhile to bank out perhaps, tho' I've never had a gray so she may be going faster than my guys, delicate throat latch...Wow, be still my heart. Is she for sale?....
She has to be prettier than this similarly bred:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/carabella6
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Silvern_Scepris
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 09:06:24 AM
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I thought you might like her  . Not for sale I'm afraid, she is much loved by her owner . I can't see your picture as I'm at work and my PC doesn't allow it, I will look again when I get home this evening.
Mimi is 6 now and is still quite immature when ridden, how long do you think it might take for her to mature ? will ask her owner to post some pictures of her today for you.
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Egbert
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 09:27:11 AM
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Originally posted by Chris JamesHello Egbert, I bought a lovely Ibn Estopa daughter G Enchantress last year http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/g+enchantress she is a chestnut sabino. I would dearly love to breed a purebred foal (filly to keep) from her using a Camargue son, but the state of the market here is poor and I can't keep colts. I'd be grateful to know if you think that a colt by a Camargue son might be a good cross, or if not perhaps you could suggest something that you think would be marketable as a colt foal? Many thanks, C.
Hi Chris,
Am afraid you know what is marketable in the UK more than I. I love G Enchantress...She is a super mare, tends to look very Kuhailan...You should look into a Seglawi stallion like Ali Khamsin. Phenotypically he has the size and very Seglawi shape, is very beautiful and think he would be marketable, too. Another stallion to look into is the one I've spoken of before, the Seglawi Emiliusz...think people will be seeing his foals next year out of Swedan and will be dazzled...
Sarah,
Think the cross will be very interesting....They are total outcrosses for each other if I am reading the pedigree properly...and the only lines that merry up are way back in the pedigrees tracing to the horses bred by the Blunts for the most part...If the bay comes through you will be picking up the Queen of Sheba lines via Ahmar...so if bay, the motion should be excellent as well. I am just not sure. Could you post pictures of both Zerdarli and Ali Baba?
Annette,
The parti color potential for the cross is huge but think you will have the most spectacular baby imaginable! Wow! You have the perfectly bred Seglawi Jedran..Your girl traces to the legendary Bint Helwa so she has to be fabulous...Loving, incredibly loyal, flashy, refined and the ultimate in courageous....Pictures of G Sugarplum Faery???? I'd do it in a heartbeat! You will have more fun with that baby than you can begin to imagine. Oh boy!
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Egbert
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saraht
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Posted - 27 Nov 2007 : 11:12:04 AM
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Thanks for your reply - any excuse to post pictures!
Pictures of GC Ali Baba are on this topic http://arabianlines.com/forum1/topic_new.asp?TOPIC_ID=22150&SearchTerms=open,day
I will post some of 'darli when I get hold of my computer literate daughter but she is a chestnut barrel on legs! (the mare not my daughter)
Here are a few photos of Zerdarli - I have now mastered the art of posting photos! The head shot is as a three year old, the grey is her first foal - the Ibn Tigris gelding we discussed previously. Many thanks for your time and expertise it is really appreciated.
 
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 Bramble 'darli  Birdy  Zirrus  Poppy |
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Silvern_Scepris
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 12:25:32 PM
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Egbert,
Here are a couple of pictures of OAS Sareema. You are right, she is very loyal to her owner, but gets bored easily, and likes to get up to michief . Could you recommend any suitable future husbands for her please ?
(PS, you asked me to keep you updated with Silvern Scepris's showing career, we took him to the Crabbet show in Sept, and he was reserve Champion gelding and Reserve champion Novice ridden I was very pleased with the results and I'm hoping he will do even better next year  )
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nikki
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 1:12:17 PM
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| crikey annette, you were quick buying hercongrats |
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kimzi
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 2:06:43 PM
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| I must say i agree with you egbert on the ali khamsin idea, i emailed chris earlier this year when i saw a picture of enchantress as i have an ali khamsin son and thought that it would make quite a pairing. |
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Annette
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 8:27:05 PM
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Egbert,
Thank you for lovely comments on G sugarplum Faery, Your enthusiasm is so infectious!! Rusleem it shall be. Picyures to follow when I get some taken.
Thanks again, Annette |
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Annette
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Posted - 28 Nov 2007 : 8:35:43 PM
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Hi Nikki
I'm not normally known for the speed at which I move, but this time I excelled myself!
Saw her advertised 10am on 17th Nov, rang straight away, 15 mins later in car driving 70 miles south! And by 12.30 I had bought Sugar. Anyone who knows me well knows that decisions often tske me weeks to make, but I knew as soon as I saw her she was for me. Did try to buy her dam Faery Rose at the Gucci sale but the pennies ran out!!
Did you know her at all?
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Elys
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Posted - 29 Nov 2007 : 06:21:18 AM
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Sorry it took me so long to respond Egbert! I am a Marylander, so yes it's an American pedigree. I saw Admiral some months ago and was awestruck by him. They took him out and jumped him, and then had some of his offspring working in the arena. My mouth was hanging open the entire time. They are all amazingly athletic, stunningly beautiful and some of the sweetest horses I have met.
His grandsire and sire were something of legends in our area. Sadly, I did not get to meet Sunset Enzio, although I have seen some of his other offspring and talked to many people who were familiar with him. If you are interested, here's a little blurb on Aazrak with a photo http://www.starstruckfarms.com/Aazrak
and one on Enzio
http://www.starstruckfarms.com/Enzio.html
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emma
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Posted - 29 Nov 2007 : 10:41:25 AM
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Hi Egbert
Ive been following all this with such interest and i ve finally put my horses on allbreeds and would love for you to look at them when you have time.
First there is my stallion, Al Galero, he is grey well still a very dark/ roan/ at times pink colour and as yet has not been used for covering, he stands about 14.2hh.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/al+galero
And second my new filly, Rose Jamaal, she is chesnut with a flaxen mane and white flecks of hair on her stifle area, she is only a yearling but growing very tall! I did not buy the filly as a wife for my stallion but just because i liked her and the bloodlines.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/rose+jamaal
Id love to hear more about both of them and suitable future husbands/ wives.
Many Thanks for your help and time
Emma
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nikki
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Posted - 29 Nov 2007 : 11:18:43 AM
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Hiya Annette,
No, i just noticed her advertised, and thought wow, an el saleem daughter for sale(not often seen on for sale), lovely looking mare, hope someone nice buys her.
Then she disappeared
Well done, love to see some pics, and hurry up with Rusleem as i've heard he may be retiring soon. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 02 Dec 2007 : 12:13:32 PM
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Sarah T...She should be more beautiful than her pictures now...smoother body, larger eyes? Her gray colt is lovely! Looks just wonderful!
Elizabeth! Woweee...Scepris is doing super! That is just terrific! Love Sareema...What a lovely gal. Would you want to go abroad? What have the Hickford's at home? Love what they do and their blood should be complimentary to your gal in particular. At the moment, and it is strictly because I've heard he is leaving...would love to see you go to Emiliusz...Also I love Ibreez at Susan George's and last but not least the horses at the Atkinson's Cullinghurst, especially their black stallion, Arastin and Psadisho in particular...You really with that mare, can breed her to anything and come up trumps.
Annette, Am waiting with baited breath for pics of Sugar Plum Faery!
Kimzi! You are lucky! Tell us about him?!
Elys, Thank you for sharing! Those two exemplify what the breed is all about. Great Arabians-super horses!
Emma, Al Galero has to be stunning...(pictures please?)with a touch of real elegance....that blends superbly with the Shaklan...Kindly, willing to do anything asked and with a charismatic quality...something about the look in his eye just grabs and pulls on your heart...
Rose must be a stunner but I suspect with a short fuse...except for you. For you she will charge freight trains...She should be very very beautiful, hot and showy...A mare that exemplifies quality and should be shown...What color is she? Chestnut? Grey? If chestnut she would be slightly rangey-gray=elegance personified!
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emma
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 09:03:38 AM
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Hi Egbert
Wow yes you are spot on with all your comments!
Rose is chesnut, and yes she is a hot filly, trots everywhere and very showy, many people said the jamaals are not trotters but this is all she does! A sweet filly and kind. Yes she is rangy and also growing so tall, very hard to keep the weight on as she just keeps growing upwards. As for future husbands, what do you think? Lots of people seem to breed intensely Jamaal blood, with as many crosses back to Jamaal as possible, ive seen lovely Jamaal x Shaklan horses and Rose is of course 2 x Jamaal, 2 x Shaklan, 1 x Bey Shah. So where do i start???
Al Galero is just the sweetest horse who does everything asked of him. The Maxwells named him after Galero his great granfather due to his eyes, they are huge and when he eventually turns white i think you will really be able to see just how big they are. And what about future wives for him?
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 12:47:10 PM
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There is a site called HELP AND SUPPORT and then a section on how to post photos...
Al Galero will do exceptionally well with Seglawi, Menaghy and Kuhailan lines-at one time they would have called him a Kuhailan Jellaby but it since has been found that he shares the same mtDNA as Bint Helwa so, I'm calling him a Seglawi Jedran. He should prove to be an excellent breeding stallion.
I would outcross Rose away from both Shaklan and Jamaal...Since she is a Seglawi Jedran tracing to Bint Helwa...you should be able to breed her to anything that appeals to you. I am inclined to think the Carmargue blood would be the best way to go for her...LVA Maximus, Carmargue Too, WSA Charissma, Aazari all would be stunning with her so go see them and pick the one that just grabs your heart most!
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emma
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 2:24:27 PM
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Thats great so they are both the same strain, thats really interesting. How did the discovery with the mitochondrial DNA of Bint Helwa come about?
And by pure chance i had already planned to investigate both Crimbo ( i did mention it to Lynda some time ago but did say it would be in the future as she is only a yearling!) and Maximus as i thought some Camargue blood would be a good thing.
Why do you think more people dont cross the Jamaal with the Camargue blood? The trend ive noticed seems to be just to keep crossing back to Jamaal, particularly in Brazil and in the States, and also crossing with the Shaklan blood too. My thoughts with Rose were that aside from liking her as a horse was that having the Jamaal blood so close up in her pedigree would be a good basis for a starting point as opposed to keep trying to go back to it. Crikey its all so complicated!
Thanks for the replies having your input is just great. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 03 Dec 2007 : 9:42:03 PM
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Hi Emma,
They are different substrains....tho' tracing back to the same tail female in blood, if that makes sense. The Bowlings did the original tests and they probably saw the pictures of a stallion over here named, I think, Zarife...who looked in a couple of shots like Bint Helwa so were included in the study...
The Carmargue blood is not as prolific as was the ultra promoted by the super upper crust nor was his blood around with as much success as that of El Shaklan's so you don't get as much use, that is had he been as promoted as Shaklan or Jamaal think he would have eclipsed them a thousand fold. ...Between El Shaklan's owner and Jamaal's current one, you've probably got half a billion dollars/pounds in promotion potential.
BUT if you look at what WINS most consistently in the UK from domestically bred dam lines, it is the get of mares with Naziri (*Carmargue's sire line) featured somewhere along the dam's lines! e.g., look at the mare Odessa...dam of *Padron and what happens when he was shown and the strength of the blood in his offspring...Both *Carmargue and *Padron were gifted with double Naziri...Think it is their source of reliability and why the mares of these stallions are so sought out. |
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emma
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 09:40:53 AM
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Thanks Egbert
Crikey mistaking a stallion for a mare, i bet someone got teased a lot for that error!
And yes the money factor plays a huge part. It is sad now how many people go to horses they think must be good just because they have an advert in every magazine without really looking into it further  and with people like you around to ask for advise there is no excuse really
I have to say im rather chuffed with myself for coming up with the same stallions as you to use on Rose, now i just have to wait 2 yrs!
Im sure you have probably answered this somewhere already but what strain is your Anthem? |
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Egbert
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 11:28:01 AM
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Gosh, Emma, think you are the first to ask...! He is a Selgawi al Abd via the Spanish Zulima, imported to Spain by the Yeguada Militair from Syria.
Here are two recent favorite pictures of him taken by artist Fiona Purdy
and with trainer, Gary and Holly McDonald's 5 year old daughter, Camille...
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cmj
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 12:30:47 PM
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| Wow Egbert! Soooo smooth and gorgeous. How lovely! |
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emma
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Posted - 04 Dec 2007 : 2:52:09 PM
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| Well there was a reason for my asking, having been so interested by his breeding and having since seen his photos and video, i was wondering about his strain and how compatible he would be with Rose |
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