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Nicky F
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 2:46:01 PM
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Just done a search on my boys - Rossi (Horus) also seems to be Kuhaylan Ajuz (Rodania) but can't seem to get anywhere with Tanni (El Tanaya) who traces back to Ghazieh?
Can someone help me please ... I haven't a clue!!
I remember Egbert saying on Sunday something about Kuhaylans being even tempered? That would certainly seem to be so with Rossi, he is adorable and soooo intelligent, but is also one of these that tends to be a real wuss if asked to do anything he's not sure of.
Amazing day by the way, thank you Egbert! |
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LadyB
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Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 4:46:06 PM
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Oh my gosh, I have just been reading through this thread (obviously not done ANY work today!!). But I cant believe how much you know Egbert!! It is extraordinary!!!
Oh I wish I had been to see you on Sunday.. Sounds like i could have learned allot..
I am def not ready to breed my mare for a few years but when I do could you please give me some advise.. I would be looking for a very 'typey' offspring, with a pleasant manor (Kassie is very very soft when handling from the ground). I would be looking to do some showing (just low key) and have a good allrounder. one which i can gallop off round the countryside on when we both feel like it.. That is the best part of owning my mare...
I think improvements which could be made to her is to have more of a dished face, her eyes & muzzle are dark which I like. She doesnt always have very high tail carriage however her tail is set high.. Her personality is amazing, she can be moody with you sometimes if you go on holiday and dont see her for a few days but I like this in her..
I have been talking with Kate Fox and thought H Tobago may be a good match, what do you think?? Also as I am not ready for a while this will give me a change to see Tobago's foals first...
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kastanah+bint+talurand
Thanks for your help in advance Egbert, I really appreciate it!! |
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Athena
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Nicky F
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England
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Posted - 11 Aug 2007 : 10:24:33 AM
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| Thank you so much Alexia, Tanni is quite a handsome chap and has often been mistaken for a girlie (he has HUGE eyes with long fluttery lashes!). It is so interesting to know their lines and where they come from, thank you again! |
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Athena
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Pauline
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 12 Aug 2007 : 10:14:07 PM
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Hi Pauline,
Sorry to have missed you too! Think you have a great if not phenomenal mare in Crystal Gleame-shame about the ligments-yours or hers?-and think Mareschal will give you a wonderful result. What is so exciting about your mare and any crosses you choose to use is that she would be phenomenal with modern show lines as evinced by so many of the imports coming into the UK as well as a no-brainer with just about anything you can find in terms of the old GSB lines. I would really like to see her and or her resulting offspring crossed to a Seglawi line stallion at some point-preferably one like FS Bengali, any of the Carmargue Seglawis-Charismma, eg, ...
Am curious, do you find your girl to be exceptionally kind? Double Shamnar seems to work that way. She is heavily Kuhailan, dam line to Rodania...sire line to Skowronek. The cross with Mareschal should give the typical beauty but he carries an extra added dividend as do so many with sire line to Mahruss: exceptional intelligence! |
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erica giles
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Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 07:21:33 AM
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| Hello Egbert I showed you my mares pedigree at the Seminar. www.allbreedpedigree.com/bint+ramahni a Mnaghieh Hedrujieh strain and you said I could put her with almost anything. You were so busy at the time but why would this be Erica |
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Pauline
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England
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Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 08:52:43 AM
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Dear Egbert,
The ligaments are hers. She did one last summer and was back in work when she did the second one in the field during the winter.
She has never been lame so it looks good for the future.Although her front legs are scared badly because of the abuse she suffered.
Under the nervousness (Due to the abuse) she is a very kind sweet mare.She will do anything for you.
I have put her in foal because my vet said it would be good for her injuries.I have to thank David and Sarah Wilkinson for allowing me to use Mareschal, as I believe he is not at public stud.
In the future I will look at putting her to a stallion you suggest.She is only 13 years old so have time later.
As everybody seems to think I should show both her and Hopefully the foal / youngster then I will do. I normally show youngsters to get them use to the world ie travelling ,socializing etc.
What books do you thing would be interesting to read about her line.
Many Thanks for your help. Hope you come to England again next year.
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Egbert
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Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 8:15:46 PM
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Hi Erica,
Your girl is pure in the strain Menaghy-a lot of beauty, heart and a lot of sweetness is there; she has 3 close up crosses to Blue Dominoe; great Crabbet lines, and a very strong Kuhailan influence in the 4th generation. Were she mine I'd go Seglawi because of the importance of the Seglawi on Kuhailan crosses per Blunt; the importance of the Seglawi in desert lore and because of the beauty that is so frequently seen in the Seglawi/Menaghy crosses.
Just as a reminder: At the seminar I named 5 strains I see most frequently in the showring:
Kuhailan
Menaghy
Seglawi
Hamdani Simri
Abbayan Sherrak
Remember, the strains are spelled phonetically and I'll frequently change the spelling in responses simply to make the point.
Also, I'd like to make the point about charging smoke belching freight trains as it tells you a lot about the strains:
The Kuhailans: He'll stop and want to discuss the idea;
The Seglawi: Will charge full bore and not stop to think about it;
The Hamdani: Will want to outrun it;
The Abbayan Sherrak: Will distain the run ('I'll do it but am far too elegant to put up with such nonsense);
The Menaghy: "What fun! Lets do it but lets see if I can keep going beyond the point the train needs fuel!"
Pauline,
Think for a first time foal Mareschal will be phenomenal! Well done you! The Wilkersons are terrific!
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susan p
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Scotland
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Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 9:26:22 PM
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Egbert,
I was so sorry I couldnt manage down to meet you,I would have loved to,but I had organised to go and look at a horse for my daughter that day.
Judals Magnum Gold and we loved him,he should be with us in Scotland ,soon!
Hoping that him and Rugastazi will get on together!
Susan |
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erica giles
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Posted - 13 Aug 2007 : 9:41:17 PM
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| Thank you Egbert it was a pleasure to meet you, and you have described by beautiful mare exactly Erica |
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Sarahw
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Posted - 14 Aug 2007 : 10:30:10 PM
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| Susanp We had Judals Magnum Gold with us at stud for a season - had a Palomino colt by him - Sameon Golden Kkiss. |
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Egbert
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USA
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 12:02:21 AM
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Erica,
Great to meet you too! You've a terrific, fun horse and will look forward to seeing baby pictures!!!
Susan!!
Am over the moon for you! What an exciting stallion!!!! Whooooeeeee! Awesome pedigree. Can you please post pictures??? |
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susan p
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 6:48:02 PM
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| Sarah,I would really love to see photos of your colt,do you still have him? |
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susan p
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 6:53:49 PM
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| Egbert,it is really exciting,he will be here on the 30th!Would love to know more about his breeding,I have been looking at all the photos on allbreedpedigree think it will make a nice family tree. |
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Egbert
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 10:40:07 PM
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Susan, Re: Judals Magnum Gold.
Well we all know that Magnum Psyche is royally bred and has won the US Nationals halter title twice which is AMAZING! Would love to see him win it in performance but what the heck. There isn't any real incentive given his popularity. Your boy's sire line is Nazeer via the arguably most successful American bred in a long time. And your boy's dam line is via Bint Helwa-one of the most successful of the Seglawi line mares! She is right up there neck and neck with the Polish Milordka, in my view Bint Helwa is more reliable. With such beautiful breeding, can only imagine he is going to be a tremendous sire.
Just a quick look at his pedigree-there are three generations of National Champions in your boys sire's side. Sasaki, your paternal grandsire is literally one of the most beautiful, under-appreciated but extraordinarily prepotent stallions alive today...beautiful, huge eyes very very beautiful head, gorgeous body, correct conformation. The only thing that held that boy back was a lack of investor cash-a major problem with a number of great stallions and a measure of just how ignorant the big money is of what constitutes a great horse (and also goes a long way to prove just why the small breeder is so important-most often the source of the great horses in the US show ring!)!
Next your dam's pedigree is nothing to sneeze at either. She is by the US National Halter Champion Legacy of Gold and out of the US National Champion Halter Mare AAO, RGR Kkissandra! Not bad! Additionally she is loaded with the double National Champion in both halter and performance-*Bask, so the boy has to have extraordinary motion. Along with *Bask and Legacy of Gold there is US National Champion *Aladdinn along with the two Reserve National Champions, Alada Baskin and Bey Shah!
The frosting here is that she is a Seglawi Jidran via the Blunt import, Bint Helwa. Now many of you have noted that I am very gung ho Seglawi and no one, surprisingly, has asked me why. So time to tell: In every piece of literature about the desert there is a genuine mystery-Why are all the kings, sheikhs, leaders...MOUNTED ON SEGLAWIS?
Obviously there was history behind those horses that make it clear that the Seglawis reputation for courage, stamina, high pain thresholds, and loyalty are critical components to the mount of kings.
PS
Does your boy have high white? That is in the pedigree as well but Magnum Psyche frequently erases it.
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 11:00:24 PM
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Hi Egbert,
I've just bought a new horse and wondered if you could have a look and see what you think of him? I am going on Saturday to pick him up. He isn't a purebred, which is what I was looking for but he does have a large percentage of arab blood. Here is his link:
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/zyda+golden+shalal
What do you make of grandma being the same horse on both sides?!
Jayne
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Egbert
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 11:20:40 PM
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Hi Jayne,
Well he looks like he must be very very nice, good sized, good bone and a level of smooth elegance with that special quality so hard to define but you know it when you see it coming through the granddam on both sides of the pedigee as she traces to Star of the Hills and on to Sobha, the Blunts Ali Pasha Sherif import and a Hamdani Simri. (Whew! That must be the longest sentence in the history of this thread!)Are you keeping him as a stallion? Looks like he would be fun, fast and very beautiful! |
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Barabia
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 11:30:35 PM
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Pssst.. Hi Egbert, I think you've missed one question from LadyB (above Alexia's post)!
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Deboniks
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Egbert
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Posted - 15 Aug 2007 : 11:44:32 PM
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Originally posted by LadyBOh my gosh, I have just been reading through this thread (obviously not done ANY work today!!). But I cant believe how much you know Egbert!! It is extraordinary!!! Oh I wish I had been to see you on Sunday.. Sounds like i could have learned allot.. I am def not ready to breed my mare for a few years but when I do could you please give me some advise.. I would be looking for a very 'typey' offspring, with a pleasant manor (Kassie is very very soft when handling from the ground). I would be looking to do some showing (just low key) and have a good allrounder. one which i can gallop off round the countryside on when we both feel like it.. That is the best part of owning my mare... I think improvements which could be made to her is to have more of a dished face, her eyes & muzzle are dark which I like. She doesnt always have very high tail carriage however her tail is set high.. Her personality is amazing, she can be moody with you sometimes if you go on holiday and dont see her for a few days but I like this in her.. I have been talking with Kate Fox and thought H Tobago may be a good match, what do you think?? Also as I am not ready for a while this will give me a change to see Tobago's foals first... http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kastanah+bint+talurandThanks for your help in advance Egbert, I really appreciate it!!
Hi there Lady B!
Love your pedigree as it would be ideal for one of the SEGLAWI stallions we see here. Certainly Tobago would be an outstanding cross as well. However would really like to see such a massively Kuhailan pedigree as you have, take a chance with one of the Seglawi stallions.
Your girl is sire line Mesaoud who was a Selgawi and dam line to Rodania-Kuhailan Ajuz of the Ibn Rodan via the high quality, Rose of Sharon.
Apologies for not seeing you. Thought Athena/Alexia had answered all those...ooops!
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Egbert
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Deboniks
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Posted - 16 Aug 2007 : 08:55:33 AM
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Hello Egbert, Thank you for your quick reply
He is only 14 months old and is very beautiful and full of attitude,though I am biast He will be kept entire as that was the reason for buying him Apparently those who have seen him say his photos do not do him justice and are quite surprized when they see him in the flesh.
His photos are in my signature.I hope to get some proffessional photos done so I can post more up to date ones.I have not yet seen Ibn Silver but I would love to as I hear he's awesomeI feel very lucky to have Bright Shadow in each pedigree of our boys he really does come through.Thanks again for your time |
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