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Tomos
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 Posted - 25 Jun 2007 : 11:36:31 PM
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Dear Egbert,
Many thanks for your kind comments and once again sharing your knowledge.
I shall have to think carefully about a stallion for April Fairy, her dam Augusta has had a very beautiful filly by Imad this year, unfotunately my photos on the new arrivals section do not do her justice.
I'm going for broke now, if you have time would you look at Mehdami for me, she is by Imad out of Mehdali who has a very interesting pedigree, I may cover her next year and am thinking about Silvern Risalm, but I am always open to suggestions !
Thanks
Mandy
The link is www.allbreedpedigree.com/mehdami
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Bethan
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 : 09:16:10 AM
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Originally posted by EgbertOriginally posted by BethanWhey hey I've done it....I have read all 43 pages. I have attempted to understand and follow what has been going on, here is my pride and joy http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/kazeme+el+mystral Am I right his sire line is Zobeyni and his dam line is Rodania. Does that make his strain Kuhaylan Ajuz? I am totally facinated  Is there anyway Egbert you could tell me a bit more about him and his characteristics please, when you have time? Bethan, Wow! You did great! Instead of saying Zobeyni or Barq for the sire line-I stick with Mesaoud...He is really the most relevant as he appears in more pedigrees worldwide than any other stallion and he is the closest generationally in the pedigree..but you are quite correct, too. As for Rodania...exactly , tail female and Kuhailan Ajuz of the Ibn Rodan or shortened, Kuhaila Rodania...(remembering that all Arabic words are spelled phonetically-as they sound). Looking at your boys pedigree...can you tell me his color? My guess is that he is a chestnut he will be more substantial in the Kuhailan sense whereas if he were gray he would be a bit finer. Nevertheless there should be a basic sweetness to him, an incredible athletic ability-an absolutely solid ride and he looks all boy with a lovely kind eye that every so often can be full of mischief. He can sometimes be a tad moody but snaps out of it when you are around. My guess is you have a very very intelligent boy, too. The Kuhailan Dajania really rules his pedigree along with the Kuhailan strength - this is no lightweight and you sometimes scratch your head and wonder why he was cut. A lovely horse is what his pedigree indicates. Loved all the picts and especially that of Klinta Bashir! He is simply breathtaking. One of those I'd love to see back with Hugh and standing in a mare-safe situation! Has he any foals on the ground to speak of since coming to the UK? Seeing Mrs. Nicholson's mares are incredible and makes one wonder why they bothered with anything but straight Crabbet!
Wow....spot on thanks Egbert He is chestnut...although his breeders obviously weren't sure he would stay chestnut as his passport says both He is very bright, I have just backed him and he has only had to be shown something once and he understands As for the intelligence....I am having difficulty keeping one step ahead of him He is a mischief maker....always in trouble...my dog and him have great games (teasing each other...he blows on her and she tries to lick his nose so he lifts his head etc etc....he will actually instigate these games  ) and I can trust him knowing he won't kick or trample her He is my first Arab and hopefully my horse of a lifetime, I love him to bits so thank you so much for your kind comments |
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Athena
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Sarahw
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 : 6:59:59 PM
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He has a yearling colt up in scotland - Marouhk - who is with a lady who keeps him at the Ecurb Stud (I think that is how you spell it) he will be covering starting with a few mares next year. We have a colt foal that if we dont keep I would like him to stay entire but apart from that I have a mental block and cannot think of anything.
There are now quite a few successfull pt bred colts now covering but not pure breds.
He is definately feeling his age and gave me a bit of a scare this morning (showing mild signs of colic).
We have a visiting Pure bred covered (but she is off to Poland) and we are desperately willing our mares to start coming in after foaling so we can cover them.
Trouble is he is predominantly a filly producer - we have only ever had two pure bred colts. |
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Athena
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Sarahw
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kathleen
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 : 9:54:20 PM
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Hi Alexia as far as i know Fred (Nashaal)only covered a few mares at Sue's 12-13 i think 11 where fillies Harvey was the last colt and he was hand reared but gelded its scarry he must be 12-13 years old now sadly i do not know of any others Susan
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Sarahw
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Posted - 26 Jun 2007 : 10:05:43 PM
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Thanks Susan
I cannot think of any either - would be lovely if you could come and see him again ( and Babies).
At the moment there is nothing definate - I just keep getting a worrying feeling - I know him so well now - he still watches over his mares and that makes him happy.
Glad Poppy is ok
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kathleen
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Egbert
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Posted - 28 Jun 2007 : 1:51:15 PM
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Originally posted by TomosDear Egbert, Many thanks for your kind comments and once again sharing your knowledge. I shall have to think carefully about a stallion for April Fairy, her dam Augusta has had a very beautiful filly by Imad this year, unfotunately my photos on the new arrivals section do not do her justice. I'm going for broke now, if you have time would you look at Mehdami for me, she is by Imad out of Mehdali who has a very interesting pedigree, I may cover her next year and am thinking about Silvern Risalm, but I am always open to suggestions ! Thanks Mandy The link is www.allbreedpedigree.com/mehdamips Thanks Alexia for all the lovely photos
Hi Mandy,
Lovely pedigree! Sire line Skowronek and dam line to Rodania and through Shamnar via Rose of Sharon....another one of the brilliant representatives of this dam line. Her daughter Pale Shadow by the stunning Naziri was the dam of British National Champion, Bright Shadow as well as her wonderful Bright Gleam, Golden Shadow, Star Shadow.
You know, Silvern Risalm is a superb stallion but with this mare, at some point, after you have a fabulous Silvern Risalm foal, would really like to see you go to a very Seglawi looking straight Polish stallion like Arastin or one of the great British bred Seglawi stallions for a stretchier, more upright, less Kuhailan looking foal.
Mehdami looks to very sweet, loving, beautifully put together filly...would love to see picts when you have a chance!
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Tomos
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Posted - 29 Jun 2007 : 11:16:14 PM
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Hi Egbert, Thanks once more for your kind comments, Mehdami is an exceptionally sweet filly and is extremely laid back, like our other Imad offspring.
Could you explain what you mean by "stretchier" ?
I have heard it used but am not entirely sure what it means, I would describe her as a "scopey " filly, is this the British equivilent ?
I hadn't considered a Polish stallion for her, but will certainly look, I'm in no rush, and we may well ride her for a year or two before we cover her.
We have someone coming to take photos in the next few weeks to update our website, so when I have some decent ones I'll post them,
Thanks Again
Mandy
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Egbert
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 : 11:48:22 AM
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Good question, Mandy...a mare like Queens Topaz is scopey and a stallion like *Bandos is stretchier...more elegant, upright....Check out their pictures. Queens Topaz is very kuhailan but she isn't stuffy like some; whilst Bandos has that very upright almost peacock like quality.
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/bandos
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/queens+topaz
I'd love to know how others interpret scopey and stretchy....
Edited to add, Bandos is very Seglawi looking yet is a Kuhailan....with strong Seglawi lines throughout his pedigree. |
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Di Ellis
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Posted - 30 Jun 2007 : 10:42:37 PM
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Well done Alexia,
It is grat that you have joined in at last and it has been really interesting reading the threads between you and Egbert. I am really looking forward to meeting her in August at Al Waha. The picture of Golden Khayyam looks so much like El Sharluke and brought a tear to my eye; wish you had managed to do something but it may well be too late now at his age. What a fantastic thread this has turned out to be. Fingers crossed that Narishka holds for you this time.
Sarah - I do hope that Maraschel is Ok and it is only a minor problem.
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Sarahw
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Posted - 01 Jul 2007 : 06:19:07 AM
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| Thanks Di - just keeping us on our toes ! |
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Egbert
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Posted - 01 Jul 2007 : 10:04:19 AM
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Sara W and anyone with an older horse:
Presuming the vet has been out and can't find anything really wrong....
With my older horses a couple of things:
Once a week feed them a wheat bran meal in lieu of a regular meal...i.e.,
5 lbs of Bran
1/2 lb. of oats
1 recommended scoop of psyllium
2 tablespoons of epsom salts
MIX WELL
If the weather is 60 degrees or cooler...add water enough to make it a thick soup consistency.
If you are doing a bran mash once a week and he is still acting colicky, you might also give him his grain ration in a soupy mix...i.e., adding a enough water to make it like a wet gruel.
The biggest problem with the older horses I've found is ensuring they are drinking adequate amounts of water, teeth are ok and they are eating sufficiently. The biggest mistake is feeding grains/supplements that are loaded with molasses/sugar...Read labels and change over to senior supplements that are free of sugars.
Also a regular, consistent exercise program helps, too-slowly (take 6 months if necessary) build up to a brisk half hour a day of a steady walk trot routine.
Sara, am praying all is well with Mareschal.
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Jenny Lees
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Posted - 04 Jul 2007 : 11:43:49 AM
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| With so many references to NUHRA on this site I wonder do breeders know that Nuhra was a pure Bahraini mare from The Royal Stud of Bahrain. In 1938 she was gifted to His Majesty King George VI in celebration of his Coronation by the ruler of Bahrain HH Sheikh Hamed Bin Isa Alkhalifa Great Grandfather of the present King of Bahrain. Nuhra produced some wonderful stock. George White, who had Nuhra under his care at Barton Lodge, told me she was a very "plain" looking mare but she had such excellent conformation and legs that whichever stallion they put her to the foal was always good. Lady Anne Blunt introduced Bahraini blood into her breeding programme with mares Dahma Bint Al Bahrain and Jellabieh. When I started my Pearl Island Stud with two pure Bahraini mares and a Bahraini stallion I was at a loss as to which UK based lines would make a good outcross to my Bahrainis. George White advised me ..."you can't go far wrong with a nice Blunt/Crabbet mare". I took that advice (Lady Mirabelle came on loan and I purchased her filly foal by Harkem) and George was spot on! This spring I have two wonderful foals a filly and a colt who are Crabbet x Bahraini....I will attempt to attach some photos. The Bahraini also crosses well onto Polish lines as has been proven via Kuheilan Afas (Bahraini stallion) founder of the famous Comet line....I have tried the Bahraini/Polish cross with excellent results. I am about to venture into the Bahraini x Straight Egyptian I have covered my Bahraini mare Shuwaimeh Bint Warda with Goudah for 2008. As Goudah has Crabbet way back (Rissla) I am fairly confident!!!! Jenny |
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Egbert
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Posted - 04 Jul 2007 : 1:11:12 PM
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Hi Jenni,
Actually Goudah is loaded with Crabbet. If you put his name in to the all breeds pedigree site, you'll find he is probably more than 25% Crabbet. For example, the great Morafic, Goudah's great great grandfather contains the following Crabbet horses:Astraled, Selma, Narkise and Lady Anne Blunt's favorite, Kasida through his sire and Kazmeen and Bint Radia through his dam...now that is just the very top line of the 6th generation...Nazeer carries 25% Crabbet blood alone and you have I think roughly 5, maybe 6 crosses to Nazeer in Goudah's pedigree alone not to mention the other sources of Crabbet. Indeed, considering how well Nuhra has crossed with Crabbet, should expect it to be very good to outstanding with Egyptian.
As we have noted, Nuhra according to Dr. Gazder was gifted to the Earl of Athlone, brother in law to King George V in 1939-she was born in '36 the year that George the VI came to the throne when Edward the VIII abdicated, so think Nuhra was indeed a gift to the Earl of Athlone who was the Governor General of South Africa at the time and about to take a post in Canada. Lady May Abel Smith, the Earl of Athlone's daughter with her husband, Col. Sir Henry Abel-Smith, bred her 7 foals-all fillies (possibly another advantage) that have all bred on: Nurmahal, Taj Mahal, Nurmana, Rediaa, Nuhajjela, Rabiha and Alexa! So like the great Rodania, this was a wonderfully fecund, reliable, well put together mare who produced splendid foals that bred on brilliantly.
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Sarahw
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Posted - 04 Jul 2007 : 6:20:19 PM
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Thank you Egbert - He seems much better. I thing part of his problem is that he likes to be out all the time where he can watch his mares and when the weather is as bad as it has been his field gets very wet so I sometimes bring him in overnight to give him a break. Then I think the change from the wet grass to the dry hay can upset him a bit. Maybe a bran mash that night would be a good idea. I used to feed straight feeds and then a bran mash once a week years ago but now with so many "complete" products on the market - I have got lazy.
He refuses to eat damp hay which I thought may help (he gets cross, screws his nose up and leaves it).
He looks amazing and apart from these odd turns and tiring quicker after covering but he would still hold his own in a show ring.
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Mike
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Posted - 04 Jul 2007 : 9:04:01 PM
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Hi,
A Crabbet percentage of 25% plus for Goudah seems very likely since whilst I haven't worked out the "exact" figure for him, I do know that my own SE's fall between 28%+ and 30%+ 
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Egbert
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Posted - 05 Jul 2007 : 12:07:55 AM
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Hi Mike,
I've often wondered what so many of the different lines would look like were it not for the Blunts and Lady W....30%? That is a goodly amount...especially realizing the strength of those old Blunt lines and would tend to think they would be the lead influence within the pedigree.
Sarah,
Don't know why but the only times I've ever had a problem is when the horses have been sent out and they don't get their once a week bran mix...There is just something about it that works. It is NOT good to give daily as it leeches magnesium, I think, out of the system-anyway it is some critical vitamin/mineral-just as it isn't good to worm the horses on a daily basis for much the same reasons...Here because I am out scoopin' poop on a daily basis (best exercise in the world on the one hand AND you can't miss if something is amiss with your horses-loose stools on a baby can be critical and darned serious on older horses) it ensures that fly and worm populations are kept to a minimum so worm only once every 12 weeks. But one must be religious about controlling flys and manure to get away with once every 12 weeks, here anyway.
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cassy
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Posted - 05 Jul 2007 : 4:06:47 PM
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Hi,
Egbert ive done you a fao
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Eeyore
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Posted - 05 Jul 2007 : 8:17:23 PM
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Hi Egbert and other experts
This is a fascinating thread, I am trying to find time to read it all!
I was wondering if you could tell me a bit about my horses pedigrees please?
This is my mare, Alqua
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/alqua
I love my mare so much, she is wonderful and was my first arab. I did like the idea of having a foal from her but decided to buy another grown up instead and got Marim!
This is my gelding, Marim
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/marim
I'd be really grateful for anything that you can tell me.
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Posted - 06 Jul 2007 : 11:44:49 AM
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| Egbert, On the worming front, you might extend your 12 weeks to 16, 20, or beyond, if you do a worm count in stead of a worming. this will show up the egg/worm numbers and might save you the time, expense and having to give your horses additional worming drugs.(tapes not included). Sue |
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