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karenfullbrook
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karenfullbrook
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 Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 4:39:12 PM
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| By the way Zarkela is the bay with the day old foal in my signature |
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karenfullbrook
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 4:43:23 PM
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Summerstorm is 15.3 and full of substance.
Trying to get picture on now: |
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karenfullbrook
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 5:00:57 PM
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Summerstorm; although does not show her very elegant neck length
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C.J.
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Posted - 09 Oct 2006 : 7:11:01 PM
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Going back to Bright Gleam - she was actually famed for her capabilities as a brood mare rather than for her looks and is probably best known as being the dam of the stallion AL MALIK (1968) by Marino Marini (who was a grt-grandson of Jellaby mentioned earlier on this thread). The bronze below of Gleam and her filly Al Malika was commissioned by Mrs Kirch and was used to advertise Pamela’s exhibition at the Moorland Gallery in London in 1975.
(Credit: Prudence Cuming Associates Ltd)
Egbert
I’m delighted to hear that you have a ‘Horse with a Golden Saddle’ too – what colour is yours? (It was also featured on page 3 & 4 of the ‘Test Your Knowledge’ thread under 'The Quiz Room' section)
Best wishes
Caroline
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"And God said to the Wind 'Be thou gathered together.' And the wind was gathered together....And he created from a handful of wind a horse of chestnut colour like gold. And God let loose the Swift Runner, and he went on his way neighing."
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Pauline
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karenfullbrook
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Posted - 10 Oct 2006 : 10:19:23 AM
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Pauline,
Can you try a repost that picture of Summerstorm for me-it has disappeared!. I know I am not going mad-you saw it when we got it uploaded yesterday??Puzzled or what
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Pauline
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Egbert
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 11:55:09 AM
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Kofi,
Just did a complete analysis of your boys...and then managed to accidentally erase all!!@#$%^&*! (my teeth grinding!) So forgive me but this is the abridged version: Mas Khan is a Kuhailan tracing to the 1939 desert import, Mahawiliyah, whose sire was a Menaghy so there may be some speed there as they are best known for speed. His sire line goes back to Mesaoud. The common denominator horses are Blue Domino, Indian Magic, Indian King some Silver lines. I suspect that there is a kindliness to Mas Khan but not the affectionate nature you may have experienced with your Laval, a Seglawi Jedran tracing to Bint Helwa and the sire line going to Mahruss.
Karen, would have staked my life on what I thought would be Zarkela's looks...Really proves the strength of Argos as he can and proably does, mitigate certain issues...Thank you for posting the picture of the lovely Summerstorm. She looks like she can do it all! Bet she moves well, too!
She certainly bred on well.
Fawkes has sire line Nazeer, dam line to El Dahma so he is a Dahman Shahwan... nearly straight Egyptian except for the outcross to Spain, would imagine he is a very glamourous horse if not exceptionally beautiful...Should be a great breeding stallion, as well.
Your two stallions are same sire and dam line but would suspect that Fawkes would be slightly prettier thanks to the Spanish Cross and a somewhat stronger dam line.. Sire line for both stallions is Nazeer and dam line is El Dahma...a Dahman Shahwan.
The mare is a Seglawi al Abd, to the Davenport import Urfah. Strong, brave and shows a lot of quality.
CJ...I've the chestnut Golden Saddle! Love him to pieces, too...Amazing sculpture...Bright Gleam should be knock 'em dead gorgeous with that pedigree and considering she is the dam of the incredible Azeme Bint Gleam dam of the influential Aboud! Wonder if she had some issues forming in the womb?
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Pauline
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 12:11:15 PM
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Egbert
This is a picture of "Crystal Gleame" although not a good one.Will try and get a better one.
The second picture is Crystal doing an endurance ride
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Pauline Higgs
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Edited by - Pauline on 11 Oct 2006 12:52:19 PM |
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karenfullbrook
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 12:30:55 PM
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Karen, would have staked my life on what I thought would be Zarkela's looks...Really proves the strength of Argos as he can and proably does, mitigate certain issues...
Argos seems to have done as you say. Zarkela's sire had a very dippy back but never passed it on to anything I have seen in the flesh or picture. I am very lucky to have such an elegant and couragous mare for a companion. Her daughter-Zhelah-is very compact just like her sire Mustaphah-very bold and with a definite opinion!
Thank you for posting the picture of the lovely Summerstorm. She looks like she can do it all! Bet she moves well, too!
Moves like a angel-fabulous hind end action. A pleasure to watch her playing with the other mares.
She certainly bred on well.
Fawkes has sire line Nazeer, dam line to El Dahma so he is a Dahman Shahwan... nearly straight Egyptian except for the outcross to Spain, would imagine he is a very glamourous horse if not exceptionally beautiful...Should be a great breeding stallion, as well.
Glad you said that-thinking of putting Summerstorm to him next year? Yes, he is very glam., flashy too! And he just knows he is beautiful. Very intelligent and highly affectionate. Slightly more opinionated than his half brother, Muphasah though.
Your two stallions are same sire and dam line but would suspect that Fawkes would be slightly prettier thanks to the Spanish Cross and a somewhat stronger dam line.. Sire line for both stallions is Nazeer and dam line is El Dahma...a Dahman Shahwan.
Muphasah took a long time to mature mentally and physically-7 this january gone and only just ready to do most things. Very gentle and kind but with a more subtle approach to his opinions. He is a magnifucent riding horse-quick, intelligent-all one would need.
The mare is a Seglawi al Abd, to the Davenport import Urfah. Strong, brave and shows a lot of quality.
[i]Charnee is one of the kindest yet strong (she is my herd leader) mares I have ever had the honour to meet. She works as a therapy horse with special needs children with Franklin Levinson when he is in the UK. Awsome to watch-bring tears to my eyes.
Anyway, once again, thank you for your time
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karenfullbrook
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 12:34:10 PM
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Pauline,
Having seen you mare, Crystal-lots-that is definately NOT a good picture! She s very well put together and none of that shows in the snap.
Could you not scan one of your endurance photos in t upload? some of those are rather good
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Vygoda
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 3:24:08 PM
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Karen,
Summerstorm looks in wonderful condition and has grown into a really fab mare. Thanks for posting the photo.
Sorry about my senile moment above confusing the two Dantist mares  !!
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Helen Newton
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 5:17:45 PM
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I have just discovered this thread and have tried to speed read all 15 pages as I find it so fascinating. Will come back to it later and read through properly. The reason I am posting straight away is that I'm so excited now about my El Carmaal's breeding. He is by Carmargue out of Crysilla. Unfortunately he had recently been gelded when I bought him as a 4 year old, as I now realise just how much in demand he would have been! I would love to know if he has any full brothers or sisters. Egbert, can you tell me what sort of temperament characteristics he should display so I can see if it matches up with how he is? Anyway, back to work now, I will be back later to read all the posts in more detail. Helen |
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karenfullbrook
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 5:38:39 PM
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Summerstorm looks in wonderful condition and has grown into a really fab mare. Thanks for posting the photo.
Sorry about my senile moment above confusing the two Dantist mares !!
Vygoda,
She looks great. Been clicker training her with a friend backing me up for 6 week with my broken shoulder and Summerstorm is loving it. Her coat is like velvet. She is becoming quite opinionated in a very lovely way now. Settled in with my girls well now too.
Don't worry 'those moments' come to us all in time. I am in touch with Maggie and the 'real' mum is beautiful as is her lovely (actually, exquisite) filly yearling.
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karenfullbrook
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 5:40:15 PM
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That's better Pauline, Crystal looks great in that photo
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Judi
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 6:12:14 PM
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Blimey, I have been wading though this and making notes for weeks! Absolutely facinating....and almost filled an A4 pad already!
Can I also please ask for one? I've bred a colt this year, and I am thrilled with him. I can't seem to put the allbreed link up, but he is J Espionage (pending) by Ibn Sudan and out of LA Mystikal (picked for her lines to Melchior, her neck and croup, lol). I am thinking of leaving him entire to try to another of my mares in a few years, SH Coco Chanel.....
Also, does anyone know how I can work out what % of what he is? Someone did it on my Divine Tranquility mare before I bought her but I have no idea how to do it?
And is it just me, or does anyone else find themselves wishing their lives away waiting for future breedings and plans?? |
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mazey
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 8:09:11 PM
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| Karen - my mare has a line to Melchior through her granddam Malouki and also line to Argos and is also called Zelah - funny eh. |
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Fee
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 9:19:34 PM
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Hello again...yup, still reading and learning about pedigrees...
However, I am probably way behind 
I was just catching up on some recommended articles from this thread. I enjoyed the Betty Finke article and was interested in her quote..."mares often show a resemblance to their paternal granddam" My mare's paternal granddam is Polnoch http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/polnoch2 but try as I may I cannot find a picture of her. By any chance does anyone have a pic they can post up for me?
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Anfi
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 9:30:46 PM
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Hi Fee,
Here's Polnoch for you
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Fee
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Posted - 11 Oct 2006 : 9:46:54 PM
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Oh wow! Thank you Anne
That's truly amazing, the resemblance I mean...although Polnoch is whiter, that honestly could be Polianka in that pic, same shape, face, ears and the first thing I noticed, which may seem trivial but it's the way her mane and forelock lie, exactly the same!! Amazing! ...so pleased to see Polnoch at last!
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Egbert
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 10:26:29 AM
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Hi Helen,
Well you have a loss in your boy and that is that he is not entire. There was no finer mare in the world than Crysilla...*El Shaklan x Crystal Clear by Bright Shadow...She was a British National Champion Filly and arguably El Shaklan's most beautiful chestnut daughter...to my mind his most beautiful daughter, full stop. A big mare, she was stunningly beautiful with flaxen mane and tail, and as close to perfection as any mare imaginable. Sweet of temperament, she perfectly fitted Lady Anne's description of the Sobha line mares as being the perfect companions and riding mares (actually she was describing one mare but over the years, these mares have come to personify the original delineation). For me she defined 'eye candy'...as did *Carmargue. As for your El Carmaal...Would imagine he is sweet-if not soft as butter (He IS double Bright Shadow so would expect no less), loving, gentle and a typical Hamdani Simri...a great riding horse and companion....Bet he is very good looking, too, if not stunning. Would bet he is super smooth bodied, big eye, dishy head...If he were a man he would be named Prince Charming! Bred by one of the great UK breeders and judges, Barbara Campbell, from the US datasource, Carmaal is one of a kind. You'll have to look into cloning.
Judi,
Love your boys pedigree and he is a Kuhailan Rodania. Think the cover with Coco would be very nice and very kuhailan...Would love to see you find a Seglawi mare for him as well.
ALL BREED PEDIGREE SITE 'HEADS-UP'
The *Carmargue pedigree on the All breeds site is INCORRECT! Can't see how to correct it and presumably one must be a member to do so. It shows granddam Nasim being by Nassar and out of Sadik when in fact Nasim is by Jair and out of Nasam, so that hole quarter is wrong! Help!
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Marie-Molly
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Mike
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Posted - 12 Oct 2006 : 11:22:36 AM
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Nasim, pedigree sorted You click on the "maintainance" button & choose "add/edit pedigree" from the drop-down list.
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Taylor
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