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debs
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 Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 06:34:05 AM
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| Not yet, but you could try harder wi th pictures?!?! |
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Ennik
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Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 06:34:18 AM
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| Glad to see this thread's back on track and away from colour which turned out to be so unexpectedly emotive! It's wonderful to know the old-timer Spearment's back in a home which appreciates him. What a lovely story. ..... Rose Ennik |
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misterei
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 08:46:47 AM
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I never get bored listening to such well informed and knowledgeable people, Jane. We met Anne Brown last weekend, another extremely knowlwedgable and giving person, I hope to meet many more over the years who can pass on their knowledge, passion and understanding of the Arab.
There is so much to know about all of the special horses that pass through our lives, whose breeding many contribute some pleasure to the people who share the lives of those horses that are only recognised by the owners as being special.
The pedigree of an Arab tells every owner a wonderful story.
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Here they are
Emira......Mazie...Fharida.....Shahi......Mazie.....Saffee..Malika...Emira
More at www.purespiritarabians.com |
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alistair leslie
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England
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Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 09:15:38 AM
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The key thing on Courthouse lines is the CONSISTENCY
Very fine horses with type and toughness.
This will slip through our fingers after Spearmint is gone .
I am not a campaigner but maybe a Courthouse awareness year would be a good thing .
So many more knowledgable people out there who should be encouraged to tell us about these lines . |
    
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Cate
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Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 11:05:22 AM
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Fabulous thread. Loved Spearmint although never saw him in the flesh, but remember the fabulous photos of him in the AHS. Also remember seeing photos of Sappho. Out of all the horses advertised at that time I was always drawn to Spearmint and would have loved an offspring. Such is life!
I remember when he was up for sale, so pleased you bought him Jane. Just wish you were nearer me as I would loved to have used him on my Crabbet/Old English mare. Brilliant that he is doing so well. |
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deb a-c
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Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 7:36:25 PM
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I am very fortunate to have a 50% Courthouse mare Sienna Bint Samiha who is 20 this year. She has bred me two great mares and I would ideally like to breeder her to a Courthouse stallion to continue the lines whilst I can. The market is such that I have refrained from this but I have done quite a lot of research in to Courthouse related stallions with the help of Claire (Kastell) who resides in France, who also would like to see the lines continue and who's research gave me the following information which I happily share.
There is an old Courthouse x Barton stallion still in the UK, he was standing at stud last year called Zalim (Bayazar x Zareen), he has only 1 pure bred offspring to my knowledge.
Another stallion in France (where a great many of the Courthouse horses went after his death) is, Ramoth is owned by Chevaux D'Armor website www.chevaux-armor.com who are a big Endurance breeder.
Siroco another Courthouse arabian is owned by Madame Anne Francois.
There is also Scipion was at Aigoual arabians.
Oops nearly forgot Zalims (Bayazar x Zareen) he is also a nice stallion & sucessful racehorse in his day, I'm not sure if he's still with us either as was born in 83', his owner said she would cover with him in 2008.
When the stud dispersed a few were kept in the UK & 9 went to France but due to their small size, normaly under 15hh they went out of fashion, classed as too small for ridden classes & endurance, I know in France they have been bred to Thoroughbreds to produce Anglos for endurance & also to bigger French Arabs, again for endurance.
If anyone requires contact details please PM me.
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guisburn
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 10 Jan 2011 : 8:28:24 PM
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'There is an old Courthouse x Barton stallion still in the UK, he was standing at stud last year called Zalim (Bayazar x Zareen), he has only 1 pure bred offspring to my knowledge.
Another stallion in France (where a great many of the Courthouse horses went after his death) is, Ramoth is owned by Chevaux D'Armor website www.chevaux-armor.com who are a big Endurance breeder.
Siroco another Courthouse arabian is owned by Madame Anne Francois.'
Oops nearly forgot Zalims (Bayazar x Zareen) he is also a nice stallion & sucessful racehorse in his day, I'm not sure if he's still with us either as was born in 83', his owner said she would cover with him in 2008.
Hi Debbie - Zalim has a 17 pure/anglo offspring, four pure from mares at our stud, in an attempt to preserve the Barton Lodge-Nuhra /Courthouse lines.
Zalim was owned for a short time by Nola Stephens, before being sold to Gail Hodgson for Arab Racing - (Gail owned and trained the well known Anglo race horse 'Edmunds Dante' who was jockeyed by Sarah Kellaaway)
We bought two foundation mares from George White, hence they contained a good percentage of Courthouse blood, and we covered the mares with Zalim to keep his lines going on Barton Lodge Mares:-
Mare - Guisburn Szareen out of Shimsha - Shimnar (Samhan/Atrisha) / Sayada (El Shaklan/Razehra)
Mare - Guisburn Szaleem out of Shimsha
Stallion - Guisburn Zalim out of Guisburn Shazehra (Crusader/Shimsha)
Mare - Guisburn Kahara out of Karera - Mehzeer (Mehriz/Alzehra) / Zareen (Darjeel/Razehra)
Zalim senior is still alive and well, living in North Yorkshire, he has an Anglo Arab foal due March/April this year, his chestnut son is with us at the moment, but we have had a few enquiries about parting with him and are considering whether to let him go
Hope this helps!
Guisburn Zhalim - junior
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Melanie
Guisburn Arabians
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Offira
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Posted - 11 Jan 2011 : 1:30:21 PM
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There was a Courthouse stallion that I always admired from photos but never heard much about. He was a bay called Benjamin and to my young eyes he looked like the perfect horse. I managed to see some of his descendants in the flesh - Sianah Gold, Dezert Romance and Persimmon and admired Diamond Jubilee and Sorbus from photos but it seemed a shame that he didn't catch on as it were. Even in my book on the Courthouse stud he barely gets a mention.
Another horse I also liked the look of, again from photos was a mare called Celina.
If anyone knows anything about Benjamin or has any of his descendants, I would love to hear about them.
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P.S
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Posted - 11 Jan 2011 : 5:54:34 PM
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| um i do think you'll all find spearmint has frozen semen available- so there is definitely no excuse to let his breed lines vanish, he isnt getting any younger! |
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guisburn
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 11 Jan 2011 : 7:00:51 PM
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We weren't on one mare, but can't blame the semen, Spearmint's semen looked excellent under the microscope.
We do get very good results with frozen semen but sometimes even though everything goes like clockwork and the semen looks great, it just doesn't happen, I must say though the semen looked very good and I believe that it was collected at West Kington who are EXCELLENT, so I wouldn't give up if all is well with the mare and you have more doses.... Spearmint is worth the effort I think!!!
There is also a Spearmint son who is also available by frozen and chilled but don't want to get in trouble for advertising so if anyone interested please pm me. |
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Vygoda
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Posted - 12 Jan 2011 : 06:18:31 AM
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The test batch of Spearmint's semen was unfrozen at West Kington at 70% motility!! We were amazed.
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Julie Bridges
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Posted - 12 Jan 2011 : 6:54:56 PM
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I'm so glad Spearmint is still alive and well and covering.
I saw him several times over the years and I particularly remember he had THE MOST INCREDIBLE TROT.
What I have observed about the Courthouse stock I have seen is that they tend to have very good toplines and strong loins.
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guisburn
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Tomos
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Posted - 21 Jan 2011 : 10:27:51 PM
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It was my mare Cacharel who failed to get in foal with frozen semen from Spearmint.
We took a very big chance on this as Cacharel was 22 when we tried, there was absolutely no problem with the semen or the fantastic veterinary service from Lisa and Phillippa.
I wouldn't hesitate to use it again, but would use a younger mare !
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Jingo
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Posted - 22 Jan 2011 : 12:05:13 PM
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Spearmint is a lovely "old" chap - altho you'd never suggest to him he was old!!!
So pleased to hear that his frozen semen is so potent - as everyone says great for those who don't want to travel their horses.
Stay well Spearmint I have just the young lady for you in a couple of years - complete with Courthouse/Crabbet blood as well. |
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Kathy1
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 09:15:35 AM
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We actually had sunshine on Valentines day (Monday 14th Feb 2011) and took a few more snaps of Spearmint by Shammar (Champurrado x Somra II) x Sappho (Blenheim x Selima) at the grand age of 29 years.
Here he is;
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Jingo
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 09:21:26 AM
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| Ahh bless him - and on Valentines day as well. Such a lovely horse, what a fantastic age, stay well Spearmint. |
Jude
www.auchmillanarabians.org.uk
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Goldenmane
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moatside
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Berryscroft
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 4:05:27 PM
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He looks fantastic, Kathy - such a lovely boy - I'm still miserable that Makky wasn't playing the game, as what a great foal that would have been!
Ah, well . . . . . . . . . . . . .
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Kazzy
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 4:09:45 PM
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Oh, how lovely Spearmint is looking and such a grand old man aswell!!
Love that bloodline, so special to me!
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natntaz
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Posted - 17 Feb 2011 : 4:42:05 PM
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Kathy, such lovely pictures of Spearmint. I am amazed how much Taroub looks like him in the head shot. I had to look twice. I can only hope that Boo will live as long as his dad  Thanks for sharing the pictures |
   
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kathleen
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Cinnypony
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love this thread and love Spearmint.
