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traceyjoanne
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 Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 8:16:08 PM
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hi
I own an ansata gelding, aged 4
sire ansata el salaam
dam priestes
he is stunning looking but wish he had the brains to go with it!!!
he is an absolute nightmare when in the stable and in headcollar and was wondering is this the breeding or is it just him!!
in the stable he is only happy if he is eating
if he is not eating he kicks the stable to gain attention, he knows this is wrong cos as soon as i go up to him he runs to the back
if he does not get out of his stable due to bad weather he goes mad and kicks even more
I have tried to resolve this by getting him out and working him everyday, which by the way he loves and is as gentle as anything to work, ridden or lunge
but recently this has not been enough he is still kicking the stable
the other problem is leading in headcollar
if he decides he is going he goes and no way on earth can i stop him
in a bridle he is putty in your hands
but i dont want to lead him to and from the field in his bridle
so the long and short is it his breeding as alot of people have said that the ansata's dont grow up till they are about 6
any advice and help on this subject will grateful because at this moment in time he is really winding me up and is
getting close to being sold!!!!
i love him dearly but i cant be there 24/7 which is what he wants (i think)
Tracey
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geegee
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 8:33:08 PM
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Hi, firstly I felt quite sad reading your post as your man is displaying quite distressing behaviour. I would be very upset to see it happening.
How long have you had him and how long has he been kicking the stable? Even if the weather is bad, can you not turn him out into a sacrifice paddock or small area just so that he is not confined to a stable, which he obviously does not like.
In my opinion, running to the back of the stable is a sign of fear and it makes me wonder whether he has had a bad experience in the stable, which maybe a reason for not liking it.
When he is in the stable, is he able to see other horses around him?
If he is quieter when he is eating, is there not someone around during the day that can top up his hay so that he is constantly occupied?
There is a good book that explains a horses behaviour and it might be worth a read so that you can apply it to his. It is called Equine Behaviour - Principles and Practices by Daniel Mills and Kathryn Nankervis. It is excellent!
I do hope things improve for both of your sakes.
Good luck
Lisa
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max
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 8:35:23 PM
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Hi Tracy
Stick with him he is very clever,he knows if he kicks you come!!!try to ignore him,my stallion is Ansata breeding and he is a saint when eating but a pain in the bum in the stable when hes not!!!!he's only five and i have every confidence in him that he will eventualy grow up.All good things come to thoes who wait.xx |
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max
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 8:51:31 PM
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| Just as i posted my reply i saw lisa's post,well what can you say to that! Why do people assume thats its a problem with their behaviour and thier owners are not doing enough for them,im not saying that it is his breeding i dont know the horse but he is young and trying new tricks give the boy a chance! |
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geegee
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 9:11:56 PM
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It is obviously a problem with his behaviour otherwise poor Tracey wouldnt be posting on here in the first place and wouldnt be considering selling him!!!
I certainly never said that his owner was not doing enough for him. She did ask for suggestions, did she not?
I answered a post in good faith and dont expect to be shouted down.
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pat day
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 9:54:37 PM
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Tracey,
Mine havnt been out today in the field.
We are very exposed,and with the wind and rain at 45% all day.
I let mine on the stable yard, which is sheltered, with turnout rugs on, they go in and out of their boxes as they please.
I use tape to seperate to the fence opposite, incase of any 'differences'.
I would say he is playing up because of the change in routine, I think mine would too.
HEAD COLLAR problem: Meena used to be walking calmly, and with no warning, would just 'go'full pelt to explore. No malice involved, she was just a nosey madam.
She ended up teetering on the edge of the Koi pond, and only just managed to stop sliding into a 6ft deep square tank!!! It would have been a fire engine job, to get her out, so I needed to do something and quick.!!
I bought a 'be nice' halter, It worked, and I still use them occasionally to turn out when it is really windy, and they are fresh. Some peaple dont like them, but used correctly, there is no harm. Same as a bit really!!
Dont sell him for these little hiccups, he will grow out of it in summer, when he can be out longer.He sounds really bright to me. |
       
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georgiauk
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 10:07:36 PM
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See if you can get him a stable mirror and a few toys (footie inside a haynet, space hopper) they don't need to be expensive. I would for the time being use his bridle or attach a bit to his headcollar with clips to turn him out just until he realises he can't get away from you. Use hayledge nets for his hay to slow him down eating and make it last longer.
If you feel yourself getting wound up, walk away, never let him see you angry. You can call him all the little buggers under the sun with a smile on your face and he won't know your annoyed |
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Cate
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 10:09:15 PM
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I must say all my horses are always very settled if they have to stay in because I always make sure there is plenty of hay in their stable. Before I had my own place I used to put up 2 huge haynets so that if I was late then there was always plenty there for them. I used to have a few people make fun of me, but my horse was never standing without hay unlike many others that had to stand from probably morning till afternoon/evening.
If you have to keep him in and he is only happy if eating then that should tell you whats wrong. Horses are trickle feeders and need something going through the gut most of the time. Give him ad lib hay and if there is nobody to top him up if he runs out make sure he has enough to stop him running out. I can assure you he will be a much happier boy. |
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dinkidoo
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Posted - 10 Jan 2006 : 10:27:00 PM
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Hi i also have an Ansata gelding and he is also a bit of a handfull and was told by his breeders that he would take time to mature. Although i think this can be the case with many young intelligent horses. I think Pat is right in saying he is probably very bright. i think that thats half the problem with my boy as he wants to have attention and something to do especially in the winter. Dinki doesn't rush to the back of the stable but he 'dances' when bored or stressed. This has bothered me since i first bought him 3 years ago but as i know his background i know its not from something i or his breeder has done to him. Like yours he also loves work and really comes to very quickly. I find that halter work with him really works using a controller headcoller - i use a monty roberts one if he is being a handful but not to 'control' him in a rough way, just to remind him that im on the end of the lead rope!! I used to have real trouble boxing him again thru no known reason but halter work to calm him for about ten mins before he goes near the wagon really works. Maybe this would work in your situation? When he comes out of the stable to go straight into the field his mind will be focused on getting in the field so i would try a few halter exercises on the way to distract him and get him listening to you. This works with mine. Just a thought anyway..
I think ur right about the 24/7 thing - we have a farm so i see him most of the day and for checks at night but i think if he could get me to move into his stable he would be fine! He's like an attention seeking child and gets jealous when he sees me with my other horses!!
Good luck with him. Let us know how you get on...
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Michelle
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 09:21:37 AM
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You know, some horses just kick the stable.
I had a mare that used to do it really bad. Both back legs bucking out at the stable. There was nothing wrong with her, she just liked to do it.
My colt also kickes the stable. He uses whichever leg is nearest to the wall and will kick more when its breakfast time or if he wants more exercise. Unfortunately I have not found a way to make horses that kick the walls stop.... rubber wall mats are a good way of protecting their legs and reduce the noise, but I have to say that in my experience, once you have a kicker you always have a kicker. To them it becomes a habit, rather like box walking or weaving, except it is associated with wanting attention. My boy will always manage to get some sort of attention from me when he kicks the walls, even if its just me shouting at him or a visit from the brush end of the broom!
Its very hard to break the habit.... if my colt is at home (he isn't at the moment) and I sleep in on a saturday, he will kick the walls and i get up and give him his breakfast just for the sake of the neighbours!
They are more intelligent than you think !
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beau
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 6:13:39 PM
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| gonna sound silly i know, but have u considered whether it might be the stable he doen't like, i had a gelding that was kept in American style pen before i got him, moved him to my yard where was just a block of 6 stables he was freaky had to use everything just to get him in + then he kicked out all the time. Moved him again bout 2yrs later to a stable inside a barn + no probs atall he loved being in. |
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traceyjoanne
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 7:01:41 PM
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hi all
i have had him about 18 months and he has always done it
i have not changed his daily routines
he does get out of his stable every day unless it is really raining and/or icy
he has haylage in a haylage net and plenty of it but he is one of those horses that will not stop eating it until it has all gone, he would end up huge if i gave him all the haylage he could eat
he does not like going out for longer than about 6 hours and that is pushing it. he has never stayed out overnight
he has had toys in his stable and does not bother with them at all
he is stabled right next to my other arab
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max
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 7:10:33 PM
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Hi Tracy
There has been many times in the last 5 year that i was going to geld max,just try and hang on in there he will be worth it im sure,try and think of the good things he does and hopefully it will out weigh the bad.x |
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Nick
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 7:55:05 PM
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We have a Ansata El Salaam filly and she as never showed any signs of mis behaving here stabled in a block with talk grills,Gil as spent the last year in Lasahr Arabains Switzerland in a big American style barn and they love her very sweet and well behaved, Her mother was a very sweet mare,
How politically correct this might seem but if they kick and you give them a clip the penny should drop i kick i get a clip in these days of no smacking children or no cane in school there is a danger of our Horses getting like some of the mindless yobs we ahve today Bad behaviour goes unchecked some where up the road there will be a big problem,
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traceyjoanne
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 8:00:45 PM
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i have tried all sorts with him
tying him up etc
perhaps it is like michelle says some kick the walls and thats it no matter what you do it is there and is going to stay
tried a be nice halter today and found him alot more controllable walking up the lane and back
normal goings to do this i would have to put a bridle on him
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traceyjoanne
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 8:02:46 PM
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forgot to mention my mare has got ansata lines in her and she is the most sweetest calmest arab ever
my daughter who is 8 can lead her to the field and back and she would not do a thing
my daughter is no way interested in horses either she does it on the rare occasion she comes to the stables with me
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LOU
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 8:24:12 PM
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Hi Tracey, if you would like to contact me directly on my email address, i can share my experiences with you and my now gelded 4yo Anasata El Salaam young man, we maybe able to help each other. louisa.biles@btinternet.com
Many thanks im sure we can have a laugh if nowt else.
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max
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 8:28:29 PM
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| Glad that has helped tracy,i dont think a "clip" would make any differance its still attention good,bad or indifferant,a friend had a mare that kicked all the time and there was'nt anything she didnt try but in the end she turned a deaf ear and the kicking got less and less (she did put rubber on the walls to help drown the sound and save the mares legs). |
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Pashon2001
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 8:29:21 PM
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| I also have an ansata mare, who is the sweetest person you could ever meet, HOWEVER, she box walks chronicly...........sooooooo you would think she wants out, but Noooooooo...........let her out (drag her out) and she paces a trench to be let back in!!! She is 15yrs old so when is she going to grow up lol!!! |
     
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linda
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Posted - 11 Jan 2006 : 11:38:37 PM
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Hi Tracey,
Just read your post!!
Glad to hear Leisha is behaving herself,
PLEASE do not think it is anything to do with your boys breeding, Some horses are smarter than others and work out that IF they kick the door, we will give them more hay/haylage, even if they already have plenty!!
We have 11 horses at the moment, some kick the door and other don't!
NOTHING to do with their breeding, as they are all different,
I cannot see any way to stop it other than ignoring it, some work out that if you do not respond in any way they give up, others will carry on regardless,
Nothing to do with how long they are turned out for either!!
I know how you feel, It is SO annoying, but even IF they do not do it when you first buy them, they can pick it up quickly from other horses,
getting angry with them will only stop them for a very short time,
Love Linda
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Mike
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 12:26:03 AM
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Hi Tracey,
Definately nothing to do with breeding! And more than likely nothing to do with turn-out time either. The worst case of stable kicking I have come across (both back feet on the stable walls with the speed of a machine gun) was purely attention seeking, what this filly wanted was someone to stand and talk to her (but not to touch her). As soon as she knew there was someone about on the yard, the kicking would start & continue until she got the attention she wanted, and would start again as soon as that person left her alone. She grew out of this phase after about twelve months or so, but was one very smart (and extremely sharp) cookie
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BobandEna
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 11:53:23 AM
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Hi Tracey,
I agree with all the above, this is just like a child that canīt get its own way, they create until they do, most of the horses that do this have been in DIY livery yards, one owner turns up and feeds his/her horse, the rest see this and get excited, but no food and so it goes on until the last owner has fed, now some get into the habit of letting you know they are there by kicking the door or the walls. The only way is to isolate the offending horse and feed it on itīs own, but this is not always possible, the one thing for sure is you are not on your own with this problem.
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joycemelvin
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 1:09:41 PM
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| I've always been a campaigner for ad-lib hay..if the haylage will get him too fat then why not try hay or even straw to keep him occupied..horses are natural grazers and if some are stuck in a stable with nothing to eat they will do anything to gain your attention..you could also try some of the boredom breakers suggested. |
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traceyjoanne
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Posted - 12 Jan 2006 : 10:59:54 PM
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Hi
Linda great to hear from you and yes Leisha is a pure star never been anything different - bless her
thanks for the advice regarding himself
i will ignore and hope this works, funnily enough he has not done it for a couple of days, well not as bad just heard one kick whilst i was doing the waters
he is on straw bedding so if he does or should i say when he has eaten the haylage he prob does eat some of his bed
have tried the boredom breakers!!!
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linda
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 7:28:03 PM
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Hi Tracey,
I have one 3 year old filly in particular that is quite a madam,
she rears and bucks at the partitions and the door when kept in or even if she is not turned out FIRST, she is worse if we take her stable mate away to exercise her, she is very much like a spoiled child, I have tried toys more haylage lots of exercise, nothing seems to make any difference, I just feel that some horses get more fractious than others, I also think that they grow out of these tantrums as they get older,
I know it is annoying but if you bare with him I am sure he will get better, try a pasture lick in his stable, it seems to keep them occupied for quite a while, chin up! It will soon be spring!!
I'm bored stiff so I can understand how our poor neds feel!!!
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arabic
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Posted - 13 Jan 2006 : 9:06:15 PM
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I would echo Carol and Pat. My lad was a bit of a monster a few years ago to lead in, used to rear etc. Hubby made me one of the natural horsemanship halters. I used it when it was windy or I thought there may be problems and a friend showed me the Parelli games with him. Definately made him more respectful. We do the games occasionally, he enjoys the fun of them but I havent used the halter for ages!!
Stick with it and good luck.
I think its really good that everyone puts their views across. I usually find sifting through theres a few things I hadnt thought of.
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