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pat day
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 Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 12:15:45 PM
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Is there any one of our members that can give me some advice on legislation please.
I need to know the law before I can take any action if legally what they are doing to the squirrels is classed as unacceptable. I know they dont have protection as such, but is there a proper way to deal with them, if anyone is so minded
My email address is; pat templewood at aol .com, no spaces ofcourse.
If anyone can give me some advice I would be really grateful.
I have done google searches, but nothing very helpful came up.
Thanks in advance,
Pat.
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Edited by - pat day on 02 Jan 2006 12:17:11 PM
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Deboniks
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 12:43:59 PM
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Hi Pat,
Sorry I don't have any legal advise but I thought squirrels were classed as vermin ie the same as rats? |
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ginger horse
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 2:24:03 PM
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| A couple of years ago i found a little squirrel cub in the road he was only about a week old. I rang the local R.S.P.C.A for some information on any one who would be able to rear him. They told me that grey squirrels are not native to this country and as debonicks said are classed as vermin just the same as rats and if i tuck the little chap down to them they would be more than happy to destroy him for me. So i set to hand rearing him on powdered cat milk. |
    
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ginger horse
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 2:38:34 PM
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PAT Hope this helps
CONTROL OF GREY SQUIRRELS
BEFORE CONSIDERING TRAPPING GREY SQUIRRELS MAKE SURE YOU ARE AWARE OF THE LEGAL IMPLICATIONS!
• Kill traps and poison must not be used to control grey squirrels in areas where red squirrels may be present, as it is an offence to intentionally kill or injure a red squirrel.
• It is an offence to release a grey squirrel into the wild, and therefore any grey squirrels trapped must be destroyed humanely.
• Traps must be checked at least once a day, and any trapped red squirrels released immediately.
For further information on legislation, contact Scottish Natural Heritage.
Introduction
The grey squirrel was introduced into Britain in the late 19th century (from 1876 onwards), and has replaced the native red squirrel in most of its former British range. Red and grey squirrels occupy the same ecological niche, as they are both small tree-dwelling mammals that rely on similar food sources (tree seeds, nuts, berries, etc). However, because of differences in their ability to digest large seeds from broadleaved trees (such as acorns and hazelnuts), grey squirrels have a competitive advantage over red squirrels in broadleaved and mixed woodland, being able to feed on these seeds before they are fully ripe, and gain more nutritional benefit from them than red squirrels. In this way, grey squirrels out-compete red squirrels for food resources in areas where there are large-seeded broadleaved trees, resulting in weight loss and reduced breeding success for reds.
Grey squirrels are better adapted to life in broadleaved woodlands, which is why red squirrel conservation in the Borders, where there are already large numbers of grey squirrels, is associated with large conifer forests, such as Wauchope, Newcastleton and Craik, which are less attractive to grey squirrels. The continuing spread of the grey squirrel is a major threat to the survival of the red squirrel in the Borders, and in the future, Dumfries and Galloway where presently grey squirrel records are restricted to occasional sightings in areas such as Upper Nithsdale and Annandale.
The following advice on grey squirrel control has been taken from an advice note produced by the Forestry Authority Research Commission in 1994.
Different Methods Of Controlling Grey Squirrels
Research comparing the effectiveness of shooting and cage trapping shows that cage trapping (live trapping) is a more successful method of controlling grey squirrels within an area. Spring trapping (kill trapping), drey-poking and poisoning cannot be guaranteed to specifically target grey squirrels, and should never be used where there is the slightest possibility of red squirrels being present. For this reason, the use of Warfarin for grey control is prohibited in much of Scotland, including the Borders and Dumfries and Galloway. Single-catch traps are preferable to multi-catch traps in areas where grey squirrels are present in low numbers, and there may be an increased risk of accidentally trapping a red squirrel. All cage traps should have either branchwood or black plastic sheeting covering the trap, to provide some protection from the elements and minimise the stress placed on any trapped animal.
Siting Traps
The success of any trapping operation depends on the ability to find sites for the traps that grey squirrels will visit regularly to feed. The best sites are invariably under a large broadleaved tree (eg oak, beech) and where the ground is free of vegetation. An assessment of the woodland types present on your property (a Squirrel Habitat Management Plan) can help to target grey control where it is most likely to be effective. For more information on this, please contact your Red Squirrel Conservation Officer, who may be able to do this for you, and/or provide expert advice on ideal trap locations.
Setting and Pre-Baiting
At the chosen site, level an area of ground where you want to place a trap. Lay the trap so that the wire mesh floor of the trap is flush with the ground. If possible, use a metal ‘bait tray’ attached to the bottom of the trap, to minimise the loss of bait to mice. Secure the trap by staking or pegging it down, and leave the trap with the door held open. At this stage the trap should be open but not set. Put two handfuls of yellow whole maize in the main body of the trap, and scatter several handfuls on the ground around the trap. Cover or wrap the trap with black plastic so that it is windproof, rainproof and dark inside. Secure the plastic with brashings, branches and/or stones, and camouflage the top, if necessary, with more branchwood. After two days, place more maize inside the trap and around the entrance. If the germ of any of the maize grains have been eaten out, it indicates that squirrels have visited the trap site.
Catching
After a further two days, set the trap. Check that the release mechanism is working, and place a few kernels of maize at the back of the trap and at the entrance. Re-cover the trap. Once a trap has been set, it must be visited every day, ideally 2 or 3 hours after dawn and again just before dark.
When you check the trap, remove the trap covering and immediately release any accidentally trapped red squirrels. Remove and despatch humanely any grey squirrels. This may be done either by shooting them in the trap (taking care not to shoot the trap to pieces in the process!) or by securing a hessian sack over the end of the trap and opening the door, allowing the grey squirrel to run into the sack. Close the sack and position the grey squirrel so that its head is in the corner of the sack, by guiding it with your foot. On a firm surface (ie NOT soft ground) deliver a heavy blow to the back of the head at the base of the skull. Make sure that the grey squirrel is dead and not just stunned. If you are in any doubt about destroying a trapped grey squirrel, contact your local Red Squirrel Conservation Officer who may be able to assist.
Re-set the trap by replacing maize inside the trap, checking the trap door release mechanism and setting the trap. Replace the trap covering. If there are no captive animals present in the trap, check for holes in the trap and that the trap mechanism is working properly. Again, check for signs that squirrels have been taking the bait. After 4 to 5 days of trapping in an area, if no grey squirrels are being caught, remove the trap and if necessary re-site it elsewhere and repeat the procedure.
Timing
The best time of year for trapping grey squirrels is between March and September, when their natural food is scarce. During autumn the availability of nuts, berries, fruits and cones significantly reduces the likelihood of trapping greys, with foraging activity tending to be limited on cold winter days.
This information has been reproduced from with kind permission of www.red-squirrels.org.uk
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Roseanne
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 5:54:57 PM
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| Some people I know shoot them as vermin (they call them tree rats) because they nibble all the bark around the young trees on the farm and cause the trees to die. They also take all the walnuts from the trees before they mature. Squirrels do look very sweet though don't they? I'd find it hard to kill one. I believe they're edible... |
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pat day
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 6:17:36 PM
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Thanks for the replies so far.
Joanne,
They are not being destroyed humanely, so I will quote this, and hope they will perhaps shoot them, (which at least would be quick) if they must.
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Deboniks
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 6:44:38 PM
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....Elvis Presley's favourite meal was squirrel pie! I saw a documentary on him years ago....it looked very nice!!
When my boys were young we had 'Ceril' the squirrel who used to come and eat from your hand he was really cute. I told my other half to move him away from our house and take him to the duck pond down the road because of our dogs, but he just chased him out of the garden and said I was mad. The next time I went outside my dog was standing very proudly with Ceril in her mouth!!!
It was very sad, I should have moved him myself. |
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cazza
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Posted - 02 Jan 2006 : 7:35:33 PM
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Hi Pat
Hope your well.
I saw a program once with recipes for Squirrel , couldnt kill or eat one myself, people on this program were shooting them, There are laws on how they can be destroyed, bit I doubt most people care about how they are destroyed....
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pat day
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Posted - 03 Jan 2006 : 12:59:24 AM
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Cazza,
these peaple are trapping in a cage, (because they take the song birds eggs, which they do,) and then 'dealing' with them, but not humanly. That is the problem here.
The biggest threat to songbirds are cats, of which I have four, all with collars and parrot bells on,so I do understand that, but if mine as much as look at a bird, and hear me say 'Hells Bells' they shoot off mighty quick, and thats only squirting water at them.
I wouldnt hurt or kill any fellow human, or creature, UNLESS confronted with a life threatening situation, I just cannot rest, or understand, how anyone, especially a relative, can do such a thing.
I am vegetarian by the way, so squirrel recipes dont appeal to me.  Mean't in the nicest possible way |
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cazza
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Posted - 03 Jan 2006 : 5:10:11 PM
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Hi Pat
Im veggie too !! And the thought of eating any meat dosent do much for my stomach...
Im sure there are people you can contact to ensure that this is put an end too.
Keep us informed
Regards
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ginger horse
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Posted - 03 Jan 2006 : 7:08:03 PM
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Hi Pat
Im with you i could not kill a fly let alone a squirrel. But i can understand to a point why some people find it necessary to keep them under control for the good of other species. And if this is to be done i only hope the poor squirrel dose not suffer unnecessarily and that im not around to see it. I only put my second posting up because i thought it might help you to see if something illegal was being cared out not because i agree with the methods. As for eating them it is each to their own but its not for me either. |
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pat day
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Posted - 03 Jan 2006 : 9:05:27 PM
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Joanne, Cazza, Debbie,
big ((huggs)) to all of you.
What I have to define is : What Is Humane. LEGALLY!!
My mother is 76,and its really making her poorly, who has seen them in the trap, and it is really effecting me too, from her details. Its her elder sister and husband,my aunty and uncle, who are doing this. I have to tread carefully, I do not want a fued (spell) between the sisters at their age, but I cannot stand by and know of the suffering (in mums, brother, and my eyes)that they are being put through.
I think that I must actually speak to a wildlife group and get their advice. I am so ashamed that anyone of our 'blood' can just turn tables after being life long caring peaple.
This is really hard, family wise, but I could not hold my head high for the squirrels and myself with my compassionate principles, if I do 'Nothing' |
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Deboniks
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Posted - 03 Jan 2006 : 9:13:35 PM
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Oh Pat...Your poor mum!! It's a sticky situation.Could you annonamously speak to the pest control?? They might come out and look at the situation? They might cull them but at least your mum wouldn't have to witness them trapped.
I have never eaten a squirrel.
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