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 Posted - 31 Aug 2003 : 2:41:20 PM
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This goes on from the blisters thread,where 2 methods of training a horse to ground tie were mentioned. I'm not keen on either of them as both ways seemed to risk trauma for the horse.Anyone know of any tricks to get a horse to stand still when the reins are dropped over its head?
There must be some ol' cowboys out there somewhere!
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Benjamin
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Posted - 31 Aug 2003 : 6:39:06 PM
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Not having a clue what a ground tie is unless its an earthy item worn with a suit by gardeners....
I would imagine that the rein business is the same as a kids pony, being broken and taught that when a saddle cloth falls they stop. It is to stop the little dears legging it when a child falls.
It used to work on the basic principle of building up the Whoa, in hand you click and the horse knows thats the sign to walk off, you say whoa and it stops dead where ever, of course this is built up in tiny steps and can take days weeks or months depending on co operation levels! You use a bit or chain or what ever in the beginning to reinforce/ make clear that whoa means stop, you should only need to check lightly a few times and they should get the hang of it.
So long as you are not practicing in a huge field and once neddy is great at whoa in walk trot and canter on the lunge I don't imagine its a big leap to drop the reins and whoa.
Not a cowboy, bound to be a few out there, probably with a much quicker method.
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| Now you've got me giggling Pip - "And this season we have the latest thing for the organic minded gentleman - a range of neckwear made from nature herself.This model sir is genuine Irish peat while this one if from our farmyard range,yes sir ,the distinctive aroma does fade with time but is easily refreshed..." |
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Chris James
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Posted - 31 Aug 2003 : 8:09:46 PM
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Sorry didn't understand Cass's post - but am there with Pip's - I have ridden western for some years with arab horses in the UK, so don't know how others do it - but arabs are inteligent - so all you have to do is - drop the reins to the floor- walk away - when they move - go back place them where they started (with a mint/carrot) a good horse learns straight away to wait! Mine do it no trouble.
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Posted - 31 Aug 2003 : 8:49:09 PM
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| Thanks Chris and Pip - I'll try it.Chris -See the first line of Pip's post and you'll see what my reply is about... |
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Posted - 02 Sep 2003 : 6:52:21 PM
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| Thanks Debbie - there was indeed an article in there on exactly this subject - perfect! |
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Dick
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Posted - 03 Sep 2003 : 12:17:14 AM
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This is the real Dick ;)
The cowboys that train the horses here at our ranch, spend a lot of time with the horses simply standing. These are reining horses, which are the high end of the western riding world. They teach the horses to stand patently because in the show pen a horse that is impatient or nervous loses points, furthermore the cowboy cannot be seen to be forcing the horse to stand still. The horses are worked hard in spins, loped circles and slides and then they stand to "get their wind". Everyday the horse stands for minutes on end and is taught not to move. The horse learns to like standing because it is not working.
The consequence of this is they learn not to move when the cowboy is not on them but they are still tacked up. In fact these execises in standing are started before the horse is even backed. They are trained to stand in the round pen or on the long lines by themselves for long pauses.
I am not disagreeing with what is on the website but simply reporting that the horses I see being trained have ground tieing as a natural consequence of other training goals and not as an end in itself.
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Deboniks
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Posted - 03 Sep 2003 : 5:18:52 PM
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I totally agree with Dick. A natural way of trainning is the best. This comes from respect (from the horse) and a mutual understanding (partnership)I study PNH where these kind of methods are used. I told you about the Sage Horsemanship because it is what came up when I put ground tying into my search engine. My horse will stand for a while, when he moves I 'huh hem!' and he stands still again, but if I where to go out of sight he would move around looking for something to eat...natural really! but i suppose persistance in this kind of trainning may correct that, at the moment I have more important things to teach him.But if you come across any other info on it please pass it on, as I am addicted to learning as much about horses and their behaviour as I can!
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Liz Salmon
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Posted - 03 Sep 2003 : 6:17:37 PM
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I quite agree that the natural quiet ways of training are by far the best. Horses competing in trail have to learn to ground tie. One of my students went top ten at US Nationals in trail. She always trained by dropping the reins, then walking a short distance from him. If he moved she would put him back in the same place, lightly pull the reins downward, and try again. Eventually she could walk all round him and away a good distance and he would still stay there.
When I first came to the US, I saw some horrendous 'cowboy' methods of training and gadgets. Bicycle chains as bits, bailing wire as a standing martingale. Terrified horses being tied all day to a tree, while being 'sacked out'—being constantly hit with a sack. Horses left for hours with their heads turned round in one direction tied to the saddle. Liz Salmon
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Vera
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Posted - 12 Sep 2003 : 08:43:48 AM
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While looking through a book last night to find something else I found a comprehensive chapter on how to teach ground tying. The book was written by Kelly Marks and is called 'Perfect Manners'.
Vera and Dennis
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