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Anfi
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 Posted - 06 Jun 2007 : 11:28:07 PM
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In both cases Ibn Yasmak was bred to Mesaoud daughters
Yes - I missed that one
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Mike
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 12:12:48 AM
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Congratulations!!!
And (as Bamber Gascoigne used to say ) here is your next starter for ten
What impact did this horse have on arab breeding in the UK and why?
Have FUN!!!!
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nikki
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 4:48:56 PM
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I forgot all about this thread-can't believe it's still going!
I've seen that horse before and it's bugging the hell out of me |
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nikki
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Mike
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 5:55:03 PM
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Hi,
No he's not Spanish, though he was bred somewhere in Europe
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Anfi
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Denmark
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 9:39:50 PM
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Could it be Asfour, Mike?
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Mike
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Posted - 07 Jun 2007 : 10:32:49 PM
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Hi Anne,
No, its not Asfour, but you do have the correct country of origin
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Anfi
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Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 10:56:08 AM
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Mike - we need more help
I thought it could be Ibn Estopa but I guess that's out of the question or you wouldn't have told Nikki he isn't Spanish. The same goes for Ibn Estasha.
Hints please
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LYNDILOU
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BobandEna
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Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 9:43:38 PM
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Best Pal
With that back he looks to have Aswan close up in his blood line.
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Mike
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Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 9:52:56 PM
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Here's another (earlier) picture, which might help a little bit
As an interesting digression there is also a connection to the horse below, considered by many to be the greatest showjumper that ever lived
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Mike
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Posted - 08 Jun 2007 : 9:54:28 PM
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Hi Bob,
No lines to Aswan, but his sire wasn't unrelated!
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Anfi
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 07:35:35 AM
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Hmmm... The uniform suggests a Weil-Marbach horse - could his sire be Jasir? Or perhaps Hadban Enzahi?
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Mike
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 10:46:21 AM
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Hi Anne,
Well done so far, but if you think about it only one of the two horses you mentioned are closely related to Aswan
Mike
PS any guesses for the showjumper? He did was an Olympic gold medallist and frozen semen is available from himHe was also (I think) a world champion & has the same name as a former world champion arabian Both being stallions of course! |
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BobandEna
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 4:33:19 PM
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Best Pal
The show jumper is
Abdullah
Abdullah was purchased in 1973 as a three-year-old by Terry and Sue Williams, from Gerhard Schickedanz in Unionville, Ontario, Canada. He was originally bought as an event prospect and breeding stallion, and proved himself first in the dressage arena and then in eventing before becoming a world-class show jumper.
The stallion died January 5, 2000, due to colic. He left over 400 progeny, including seven USEF horses of the year. Due to frozen semen, it is still possible to breed to the legendary stallion.
1984
Olympic Games in Los Angeles: Team Showjumping Gold Medal
Olympic Games in Los Angeles: Individual Showjumping Silver Medal
1985
- World Cup Final (Berlin): 1st place
1986
Show Jumping World Championships, Aachen, Germany: Team Gold Medal, leading horse in competition,
Show Jumping World Championships, Aachen, Germany: Individual Silver Medal
ANNE over to "U" xxx
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Anfi
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 7:18:07 PM
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Abdullah the showjumper is - as far as I can see - 1/16 + 2/32 part Arabian through Fetysz and, significantly, through Jasir.
But, when it comes to being related to Aswan, Hadban Enzahi is more closely related to him since they were by the same sire, so???
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LYNDILOU
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Mike
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 7:37:40 PM
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To clarify, you have established that the horse pictured twice was at Marbach, and was closely related to Hadban Enzahi This horse had a strong influence on UK arabian breeding Abullah's sire Donauwind traced in tail-female line to Murana I, this connects him (Abdullah) to the first horse's influence in the UK
Therefore might I suggest that you think of a Marbach bred horse, with a line to Murana I (so not SE) that made a bit of a splash in the UK, including being leading sire on several occasions ..... Having thought of this horse, you should then be able to deduce who the subject of this question is!
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Mike
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Posted - 09 Jun 2007 : 7:44:51 PM
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Surely Hadban Enzahi & Aswan are much more closely related than simply being sons of Nazeer?
Incidentally, the Murana I female line is I think the oldest fully documented dam-line in arabian breeding, so which is the oldest sire line?
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 2:29:18 PM
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Could it be Malik? Son of Hadban Enzahi (I know he a has white muzzle)I also know he is SE, but was'nt he bred in germany?(if not forgive my ignorence) I will go and crawl back under my rock |
   
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gabriele ault
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 3:47:00 PM
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Ok I will make a fool of myself and give a guess: could it be Sirhan (Gharib x Sahmet by Hadban Enzahi) - he is Marbach bred, has a line to Murana I, and is a Hadban Enzahi grandson - propably I'm totally wrong as usual.
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Mike
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 3:49:31 PM
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No it's not Malik or his full brother Mahomed both by Hadban Enzahi out of Malikah and bred by the Filsinger's His name does begin with "M" though, and he was SE though his connection with the UK wasn't. Hopefully that will make sense
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gabriele ault
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 4:05:54 PM
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I was about to say Mustafa (Hadban Enzahi x Masarrah), but he is not SE. And then there is Mameluck and his son Melchior - thinking about it Melchior has a line to Murana I. OK I give it one more try: is it Mameluck?
Do not slaughter me if I/m totally wrong.
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Mike
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Posted - 10 Jun 2007 : 4:11:33 PM
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Well done Gabrielle,
The horse is indeed Mameluck
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