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Mike
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 Posted - 04 Mar 2007 : 01:17:31 AM
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Of course had anyone followed Pat's thinking and looked up Maidan's pedigree on Allbreeds :- http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/classic-maidan (and I did admit to there being a strong family resemblance) you may have got to the answer rather more quickly! 
This year will after all be the only chance that anyone in England will have to see him in the flesh
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Mike
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Posted - 30 May 2007 : 9:37:12 PM
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Here are a couple for you to identify Firstly who is the handler?
And secondly who is this horse?
Have Fun!!!! 
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LoLoXLC
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 31 May 2007 : 6:01:20 PM
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Correct for both of the horses But the first question was "who is the handler?"
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arabianbeauty
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Posted - 31 May 2007 : 9:48:05 PM
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*sigh!!* I don't think I'll ever become as educated on SE's. Ya'll just know too much. I am trying to keep up....but seem to be getting lost!!!
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Mike
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Eire
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Posted - 31 May 2007 : 10:19:32 PM
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Hi Heather,
No problem, the first photo of Sherif Pasha (Ansata Abbas Pasha X Sabah by Ibn Galal) was taken in Paris in 1985, whereas this photo wasn't
More recently associated with the following horse, the handler is still to be seen in show rings around the world
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arabianbeauty
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Posted - 31 May 2007 : 10:38:28 PM
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Howdy Mike!!!! I am beginning to see that you are a wealth of knowledge!!!:)
Ok.... so who was the arabian in the movie "The Black Stallion"??
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Mike
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 07:37:36 AM
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Hi Heather,
Merely a "trick" memory and a lot of books!
In the 1979 movie the horse was Cass Ole (Al Marah Cassanova X La Bahia) born in 1969 and bred by Geralad Donaghue, he was National Champion in Arabian Western Pleasure in 1975, National Reserve Champion Arabian Ladies Side Saddle in 1976, and U.S. Top Ten Arabian English Pleasure in both 1975 and 1976. He won over 50 championships and over 20 Reserve Championships in his seven-year show career and was high point winner of the King Saud Trophy.
Mike
PS Another question tonight when I have a little more time! |
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arabianbeauty
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 4:53:31 PM
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That horse was the beginning of my love life with arabians.
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LoLoXLC
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Mike
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 6:19:45 PM
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Yes the handler is indeed Willie Poth, better known these days as a judge!
Another question, what is the connection between these two chestnut stallions?
No. 1
No.2
I'm not sure if this is an easy one or not!
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Jingo
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Mike
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 9:09:35 PM
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Heh heh This one is either very easy or not ...... depending I suppose on if you can correctly identify both horses .....
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Jingo
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 9:20:43 PM
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As I said - can identify the first. Just been thru the ped and can't find any chestnut stallion there that fits the bill. Even sons of Grand (a grey I can find) not the same.
so come on Mike we must get a clue - please!!!!
Where is Jane,Caroline or Bob when they are needed????? |
Jude
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Mike
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 9:29:43 PM
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Hi Jude,
Does this help? A photo of a brother of the 2nd horse. This one had a very successful career in performance classes in the USA
Have FUN !!!
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Mike
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Posted - 01 Jun 2007 : 10:10:21 PM
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Perhaps another clue and a connection of sorts might help
A son of the sire of the grey (Claudia will have no problems identifying the grey) was at stud for years and years in England
Also the breeder of chestnut No.1 has a grandson of a horse that was for a number of years a stable-mate of the Grey ... not that this has anything to do with the link between the two chestnuts of course ........
Mike
PS Is this perchance a tad more difficult than I first thought? |
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Vygoda
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 06:51:11 AM
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The second horse looks like an SE to me but other than that, I can see no connection  , and the clues don't help either!
Is this one of your odd ones Mike where we are not looking at pedigrees but something bizarre like being in a circus, zoo, or government stud? .
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Jingo
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 11:33:45 AM
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Well if I wasn't confused before - I am now
"Also the breeder of chestnut No.1 has a grandson of a horse that was for a number of years a stable-mate of the Grey ... not that this has anything to do with the link between the two chestnuts of course ........ "
Come on Jane this must ring a bell HELP
Does this have anything connected to Maleik?
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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 11:59:40 AM
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Hi,
Jane, yes chestnut No. 2 is an SE You are also quite right in thinking that there is no pedigree link between the two horses Nor is there a "human" link either!
Jude, would it help if I told you that the grandson in question is bay? Or that the grandsire was born in Europe, but spent his career at stud in North America, South America and Africa respectively
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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 4:16:40 PM
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I have been asked for another clue, so here goes ... the son of the sire of the grey that stood in England was born in 1974 and was imported as a two year old
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Nimlat
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 4:34:07 PM
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| So is the connection through Simeon Sadir? It's very difficult to keep the threads going through your explanations !!! And is the connection to do with Jane?? |
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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 5:04:07 PM
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Hi,
Simeon Sadir is the grandson of the horse that was a stable companion of the grey (who happened to be a brother of chestnut no. 2) But no Jane isn't the connection between the two chestnuts
Since I have a perverse nature, the clues whilst they do point to the identity of the 2nd chestnut, don't have any bearing on the link between the two horses The nature of the link is painfully obvious once you know who both horses are ......
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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 6:54:31 PM
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No Jude, there is no connection to Maleik Funny .... everyone seems to be struggling with the 2nd chestnut, but no-one has identified the first one yet either!
Mike
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Nimlat
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 7:56:26 PM
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| The first stallion is Toman - bred by Jane Kadri and owned by Judith Evans. Have no idea on the second stallion! |
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Mike
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Posted - 03 Jun 2007 : 8:21:06 PM
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Correct,
The first chestnut is Toman 1999(Grand X Queens Topaz) bred by Jane Kadri & owned by Judith
The 2nd chestnut on the other hand is Toman 1978 (Shadwan X Safinaz) Bred by the EAO and owned by Erich Roth in Germany.
Whilst the grey is Ibn Safinaz 1981 (Seef X Safinaz) bred by the EAO and owned for most of his life by the Imperial Egyptian Stud in the USA, who also owned and stood Imperial Madheen whose grandson Simeon Sadir now stands at Jane's Al Waha Stud.
So now you know!!
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Will have to think about the second. Give me time