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BabsR
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 Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 10:42:00 AM
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Again......their government is to blame for allowing such a horrific
method of slaughter to continue!! this brutal killing is just not acceptable in modern times!!
If these people can afford modern transport and commodities, then surely they can afford a humane killer, to ensure these horses are dispatched quickly, without stress or suffering.
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Jude
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 11:10:47 AM
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| The mare in question was totally wild and unhandled - how do you suggest she should be kept still to use a humane killer? I agree that their methods are not what we would use in this country but it is their tradition and who are we to argue with it. As far as the hares are concerned, they are pests and have to be dealt with effectively, particularly as they eat the hay, which is vital for the horses and the mens' livelihood. How many of us kill rabbits? |
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BabsR
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 11:27:58 AM
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Surely in abattoirs.....sometimes, horses that are also wild and unhandled are humanely destroyed. There has got to be a better way, no excuse for killing horses or any animal in such a horrific and inhumane manner, in modern times.
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mittens
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 11:56:56 AM
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| That's like saying that it's right that genital mutilation is still acceptable because it's their way of life! Being held down screaming by your own Mother and Grandmother just because "it's their way". Deer are shot and they manage that without restraining them...don't like that much either but at least if it's a clear shot it would,we hope,be instant.What I will say though is they only eat what they NEED. The modern world is by no means without fault and we cannot be sure that all that goes on in an abattoir is 100% trauma free.,especially after hearing of the unwanted racehorses being couped up for weeks waiting for their fate whilst watching/hearing the slaughter all around them. |
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Vera
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 12:24:52 PM
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I couldn't get the images nor the sound out of my mind at 4am this morning. It was horrific I agree but I would rather see her fate ended the way it did then the abhorrent journeys that tens (hundreds?) of thousands of horses have to endure every day on their final journeys to continental slaughter houses and worse still those in Mexico where there are no regulations. In my mind they are beyond barbaric.
If you have the stomach for it look at 'Mexican slaughter' on Youtube and what you saw last night will pale into insignificance. Of course it is my preference that the methods these 'horse people' use could be much better and certainly more humane but it was still a lot more humane than what goes on in Mexico - although it isn't limited to Mexico as I have seen truly shocking video of an abattoirs in Turkey and Hungary.
WARNING GRAPHIC DESCRIPTION OF MEXICAN HORSE SLAUGHTER
Basically the horses are sent on a production line into a chute where they are rendered paralyzed with a knife cutting their spinal cord just above the withers - it often takes several stabs/slices to sever the cord - the horses often scream. The chute opens and they drop out. They are FULLY CONCIOUS AND FULLY AWARE when a chain is placed around their hock and they are hoisted up. There is no stunning to render them senseless, they then have their throats cut, where they bleed to death looking into a bucket of their own blood. They can still feel pain even though paralyzed. Often they ARE STILL CONCIOUS when they the slaughter man disembowels them.
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mittens
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 12:33:01 PM
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| OH MY GOD. I feel sick reading that.I expect that's the way they dispatch of all their food animals is it? Thats dispicable.I saw similar cruelty on kill it,cook it eat it when they compared methods here to those abroad. What kind of person in this day and age still sees an animal as something with no feelings,be they emotional or physical?! It's gut-wrenchingly sad and shows that we haven't really evolved at all as a race in many ways.Vera I don't think I can watch it but surely if enough people campaigned could ANYTHING be done??? |
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karen d
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 12:38:12 PM
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I made the fatal error of watching, and to say it was horrific is an understatement
I understand the farming side of things and they look at the horses the same as we look at cows, but, my god why on earth after chasing the poor terrified animal around, then strangling at half to death and beating it about the head with an axe is this still allowed to continue.
If they have vehicles to drive about in then why the hell can they not have a gun and at least dispatch the animal in the proper way.
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mittens
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Vera
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 12:46:52 PM
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I wrote to the Mexican government offering to buy humane killers several times but never received a reply to any of my letters.
These things really haunt me, I can reply them in my mind like a video. Not just horsey ones, I have video recall of an Alsatian being skinned alive in China.
I literally lose sleep over them. I will never understand how people can turn a blind eye. |
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mittens
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 12:53:15 PM
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| I feel the same. And yet think of the wonderful work Brooke have done for the animals in other countries where the horse is a means to an end but they have educated those people so that they can get the most out of their horses and keep them healthy etc etc etc.Reeducation is often all that is needed but maybe not for some cultures. |
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LYNDILOU
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 12:53:20 PM
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Well my god, thats it!   we are not evolved as a race !, we are dispicable to the others that share our planet and deserve better treatment. I think with luck, humans being will someday wipe themselves off the face of the earth and it will be a better place for it! |
   
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gossy
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 1:09:04 PM
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| nope wouldnt waste my time watching it, curous no way, way of life hell no!! sick,plain sick, i know hat i would like to do to all the people who did that. |
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Joto
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 1:54:24 PM
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| I thoroughly enjoyed the perogramme, in fact have just rewatched it on the BBC website with DH who missed it as he was at work. Those people appear to live truely at one with nature. I think a captive bolt gun would have been better for killing the horses but they were doing the best they could with what they had available. Presumably in the past the horses were hit with a rock . |
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Joto
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 1:57:51 PM
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| I ment to add I think those people look after their horses a darn site better than a lot of westerners do and they dont truck them for miles in waggons to slaughter houses to be killed nor do they put them in faol to increase their weight at slaughter. Now that is truely barbaric. |
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nicolanapper
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 2:16:43 PM
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Like Joto, I agree with what she has said. I thoroughly enjoyed watching this programme. The Hares being snared didn't both me, we shoot the rabbits on our land as without a cull they would eat and damage our sillage crop. They clearly love their horses, but I have to admit I was not happy with their method of slaughtering that poor mare,I would have preferred a captive bolt gun, but again we cannot judge too harshly their way of life.
Having been brought up on a farm, watching calvings, lambing etc, then the eventual slaughter of the livestock, it is no different, only the method is different.
What would Westerners have us do, round them all up to live in cities and their old methods and lifestyles die out!? Their culture is entirely different to ours, what they hold dear, many of us no longer do.
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gossy
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 2:27:59 PM
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| Well im affraid i dont condone the killing of any animal, let alone a horse! its disgraceful. i would rather eat leaves and vegetation!! |
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themewoman
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 2:36:03 PM
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the slaughter lasts all of 30 seconds!!!!!
i am totally against any hurting to animals but this is life and if you don't want to face up to stuff like that, then don't watch it. and unless you have watched it, you can't really comment on it can you!!! |
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KittyB
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 3:16:45 PM
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Brutal though it was, and shocking for us Westerners, at least it was quick and to feed the local people - every bit of it. No miles of transportation on cramped wagons to a slaughterhouse from hell. Just (and I don't mean just nonchalantly) a few seconds of fear/pain - then nothing.
Now, as for Alexandra, stunning and impressively bi-lingual though she is - surely she knew exactly what she'd be witnessing, so why all this "I've been dreading this, and that, and the other" throughout the programme??
Is it me?
Other than that, I enjoyed the programme enormously and am looking forwards to the next one. |
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white bryony
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 4:28:16 PM
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well I dont kill rabbits, think its all rather terrible, if your an animal lover, watching one being killed is beyond me!!
Everyone feels diiferently, but for me was very upsetting when I turned over to see those white rabbits and beautiful wolfe dead, thankfully turned off quick before the horse. |
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Libby Frost
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 4:42:22 PM
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| I have no problem with them eating horse meat.IT WAS THE WAY THEY WENT ABOUT KILLING IT ,I COULDNT BELIEVE WHAT I WAS WATCHING,and im sure it was before 10pm. |
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Qui Gon Jinn
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 4:50:34 PM
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| I didn't watch it either. I read roughly what it was about and didn't fancy it at all. From everyone else's descriptions I am so glad I didn't see it. Watched a funny film instead! |
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rosie
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 5:06:17 PM
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Echo everything that Sadika has said.
I thought that when it came to the 'killing' the camera would turn to the presenter, so shocked when it showed it.
Appalling treatment of that poor mare - how she suffered. |
     
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Lanabanana
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 5:15:05 PM
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Saw most of the programme whilst getting ready for work.
My OH obviously decided enough was enough and switched over when that poor mare was gasping for breath or maybe it was because I was in the kitchen crying by that point, I can't get her out of my mind(]
I appreciate that this is their way of life and they are entitled to it, the fact that they eat their horses is not what upset me, it was the absolute terror shown by that mare who definitely knew without doubt what was about to happen to her. |
     
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Sushi
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 5:39:44 PM
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Having read this thread and having taped it have decided not to watch.
As some one who feels faint at the sight of blood and hates seeing any thing suffer decided the images will stay with me forever. |
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gossy
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Posted - 08 Apr 2009 : 10:12:02 PM
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I dont have to watch a snuff movie to know its content either, put i would not like to watch one of them, TV now seems to glorify killing whether its poor defenseless animals and thats what they are, or people.
Ive have complained to the BBC,which has been taken seriously i might add,because kids were also watching this utter disgraceful,inhumane tv, this kind of crap should never of been shown, and by the way, people have survived and lived alot longer not having to eat any meat. |
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