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Emagetic
Bronze Member
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 Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 2:38:10 PM
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Yes you have read this correctly. Granted they are not Arabians. They are registered section A's. One of my friends went to an auction yesterday and registered foals were selling for £20.
Why bother breeding when this is the value placed on the result? At another auction some foals were being sold for £5. This is surely wrong.
My friend purchased a section A yearling from the auction and I saw him for the first time today. He didn't have a clue where he was or what today would have install for him. His owner plans to find a field for summer and turn him out to grow. Other horses are probably not as lucky.
With such low values being placed on life, horses are bound to end up in the wrong hands and I think this is so sad and very wrong. 
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precious
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England
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 3:30:41 PM
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Yep its such a shame, i bought a dartmoor hill foal for my mom after he was sold at auction for under £10 and the dealers bought 50 from there and were going for meat to italy. We didnt think he was going to make it but luckily he did.
Truelove was around 4months old at auction and shouldnt have even been weaned.
He had such a worm belly the rest of him was bone under his thick coat when u felt him your heart sank which was y the vets didnt think he would make it.
and truelove in Nov 08
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Pasha
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England
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 3:53:07 PM
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Words fail me!!! Hopefully with current economic conditions, these types of breeders will go our of business or give up!
Precious - truelove is a stunner!! So lovely to hear that at least 1 had a happy ending x |
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NatH
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England
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 3:56:21 PM
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Natalie
Chapel Lane Arabians
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Lanabanana
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 4:15:51 PM
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Sadly it's nothing new, although possibly there are less people willing to give them a home at the moment
New Forest foals sold for a couple of quid when I was a kid (probably not a lot more £'s now), I remember begging my parents to let me buy one or two.
And I know people who have come back from Wales with a lorry full of Sec A's because they were selling for peanuts.
Then of course there are the Dartmoors, I personally have a soft spot for Dartmoors.
Well done Precious for saving Truelove he looks as though he has well and truly landed on his feet |
     
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jackie k
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Wales
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 5:14:38 PM
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At the risk of being shot down in flames, as I have got older I am now letting my head rule my heart and thinking rationally and not my heart ruling my head in these matters.
Yes I agree it is tragic to see so many little and big ponies and horses going to the meat man, but in this day and age of the economic climate I would prefer to see these animals put out of their misery rather than be bought for a few pounds and then people find that they are expensive to keep when the grass in the back gardens runs out......and starving them to death, which must be far ,more agony for these poor animals.
If I could I would keep them all, but I can't as I am not a millionaire.
Precious Truelove is a lovely little pony and I wish you many years of happiness and love with him - the same goes for anyone else who has helped one these helpless animals.
But remember the number of horses will always outweigh the number of purchasers and this is where we breeders MUST be responsible and wake up to what is really going on outside of our barns.
JACKIE
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CINDERS
Gold Member
England
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 5:25:02 PM
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Sadly I have to agree with Jackie - I remember going to a very famous stud when it was in decline and will never forget the sorry state of some of the horses. Better that they are put out of their
I see another thread on here about breeding and it really saddens me that in the current climate people are still breeding. I know there are lots offolk that say they are breeding for themselves but is that not what we all do.
I would love to breed this year but with the cost of the stud fee for a decent stallion being far in excess of the potential value of any foal produced and not being in a position to keep all of them I've decided that there are quite enough horses out there needing good homes without my adding to the problem
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Kizzys Mum
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England
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 7:22:23 PM
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| It isn't new when I bought my newfie she was expensive at £150 but lots were selling for under £50. I think the cheapness of getting the foals does lead to irresponsible breeding, although that is now being slowly improved in the Newfies other native breeds really should follow suit |
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Ryans_gem
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England
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 9:16:00 PM
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I was told that horses were going for peanuts at Beeston horse market cheshire yesterday as well sect a's going for less that it costs to register them and others a scant £50 to £300 I really don't understand why oh why do people carry on breeding these poor horses
As this situation has been getting worse for a while now I wish people would stop and think before they breed horses these day's live a long time 30+ and that's a long time to suffer for an unwanted horse or pony who is passed from pillar to post for most of his/her's life. I think the cost of disposal and putting a horse down is encouraging people to pass the buck and it is creating a welfare problem in itself.
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My horse is my very best friend. Nothing in the world can separate us. When he dies I know he'll be waiting for me at the gate... just like always.
A horse doesn't care how much you know, untill he knows how much you care.
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Feb 2009 : 10:03:35 PM
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these prices are not new, the difference is that it has now gone down the line so it is pedigree ponies that are fetching the same rock bottom prices as the carelesly bred scrub ponies, that inevitably ended up as meat trade staple purchases.
'responsible' owners have and are cutting back on breedingplans, but the people who have theland, mares and theriown stallions so no stud fee involved will carry on regardless until prices improve
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jackie k
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Wales
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Posted - 20 Feb 2009 : 07:37:49 AM
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Pat, I am sorry to have to jump on you a bit here......
I am lucky enough to have my own stallions, mares, land etc, but have chosen for the last 2 years to not breed any foals, so please do not class us all the same in that we "carry on regardless". I could have a field full of horses if I wanted to breed, but I have CHOSEN not to so class myself as a "responsible" owner.
I do know that there are alot of people out there who do and will keep breeding alot of foals each year and somehow they will manage to sell the foals as that is their business, but do they think of the consequences when the money runs out with their new buyers - I think not!!!!
Jackie
ps: and I dont class myself as pig ignorant either.... |
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precious
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England
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Posted - 20 Feb 2009 : 11:13:37 AM
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I do agree that a horse being pts at abbitoir is better than a life of being passed around and abused but alot of these ponies end up live transportation which i DO NOT agree with and is meant to be illegal from UK but it still happens alot. Belive it or not slaughterhouses from UK still send live horses abroad cos they are worth more money and i have been told this them directly.
The dartmoor and exmoor surely somethink can be done to stop them breeding so much when they just end up selling for nothing and ending up dead.
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phoenixbruka
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pat ww
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Feb 2009 : 8:21:51 PM
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Jackie, I did say responsible people have cut back on breeding plans, like you I have land available 2 cracking colts, and 4 pure bred mares. Two are 12 year old maidans, one age 15 that I had from 6 months old has only bred 2 foals, by design not infertility! other is only 4 this year. One 12 year old is home bred, and not yet bred from her.
This was not aimed at people who take their horses seriously, but at the numbers of people who run out a herd of ponies with various stallions as a cash crop.
Equine knowledge nil, standard of care of brood mares worse, hooves never done, never had a wormer, don't know what hard feed is. all they care about is a foal a year.
As I said, pig ignorant.
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Gerri
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England
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Posted - 20 Feb 2009 : 9:25:22 PM
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| I have to say that I do believe the responsibility lays at the breeders doors.... sorry...... but if breeders stopped breeding, then there would not be the huge amount of foals or horses on the market, and the ones that are out there on the market, the owners should be asking realistic prices for them to good homes, I know homes in alot of cases are not life long but all you can do is your very best to ensure the safety of your life long friend or if your not happy with that have them put down at home, I have seen horses that are suffering because the owner is asking silly money for them and yet obviously cutting back on their health and welfare when there is a buyer out there that can give them a loving home only cannot buy them at the inflated prices they are asking. Sorry if this offends anyone, I don't mean to but I am looking for a mare for my stallion to breed a foal that I WANT FOR ME, that does not mean when I get the foal I will sell the mare, NO if she has given me a foal then she is with me for life, like all my horses and they have the best care and attention and God Forbid I I ever find myself where I can't give them that then I will do my Very best for THEM, not me or anyone else, after all I have to live with myself and my conscience for the rest of my life. Also I have given up breeding my dogs for exactly that reason, that there are soooo very many dogs that are being starved, thrown out and ill treated because people cannot afford to keep them and cannot get rid of them in this current climate so they are dumped or ill treated, I could not live with knowing I am responsible for anothers pitiful life. |
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