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BabsR
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 Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 10:22:56 AM
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Hi Pat....if as you say,there were only as many spectators as stallions...and if this a regular happening, then perhaps stallion parades are not the answer in the long term
Look forward to reading of your ideas on a seperate thread as SOMETHING positive needs to be done to promote the AHS Premium Scheme
And as you say.........still waiting for confirmation of the Premium Scheme Meeting. Again no forward information, leads me to think the meeting did not go ahead, as advised 
Babs
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Micky
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 10:30:22 AM
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| Who out there remembers the wonderful HIS stallion show, which was always held at the start of the year. Oh those superb stallions that were on parade. Each one was a star. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 10:37:14 AM
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Yes Micky..remember them well, and boy, were they well supported by the spectating public. And what a glorious array of simply outstanding Thoroughbreds, all having proved themselves on the racetrack. hunter chasers and flat race types.
The cream of stallions who, crossed with ANY breed, would produce great sport horse offspring.
Babs
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weirton
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 11:49:58 AM
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Yes I remember them well. Always the first thing to look forward to each season. Does anyone know the reason for the demise of the Hunters Improvement Soc. Just out of interest?
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BabsR
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 12:26:03 PM
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Morning Jean Not sure but was it anything to do with the "Hunting" banning farce which has never happened!!
Whilst shows still hold "Hunter" classes, more and more refer to Light Horse Breeding, and now Sport Horse, classes, which are all basically similar.
In 1981 H.I.S.extended into "Hunter Improvement and Light Horse Breeding Soc." and as now, Sport Horse GB
Perhaps all this, in preparation for the time when Hunting with Hounds is finally banned.....dont think so!! far too many influential peeps in high places (including the Government) who enjoy their Hunting, for this ever to happen!!
Babs
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Lynda
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 1:08:46 PM
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From memory, I think the demise of the HIS was something to do with Europe, but exactly what, I can't remember.
I do remember waiting for H&H to arrive with the report on the show, and finding out which region the various premium stallions would be standing.
Fabulous show with fabulous horses. |
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templars
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 2:16:02 PM
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We were competing at BE over the weekend and the medical person there is on the panel for BEF Futurity and he was also going help at the stallion parade.
We had a long and very interesting talk about BEF, Sports Horse GB (old HIS) and Premiums/grading.
First of all, BEF would welcome more Arabian breeding with open arms. Any animal presenting at BEF is assessed as suitable for the job (be that dressage, show jumping or eventing). If the assessors believe that the horse does not have the right qualities for the discipline it is entered in, they will discuss this with the owner and re-assess for the discipline they believe best suits that horse's ability. The example quoted was that a young horse was entered as a dressage prospect but its paces weren't as exaggerated as required for dressage (very good but not good enough for pure dressage) and so the panel recommended being assessed as an eventer.
The main point that this chap wanted to stress was that the assessment is not a panel of judges - the horses are NOT being assessed as show horses. Conformation faults will be noted but will not stop a horse from performing well (obviously within reason). The other key feature taken into account is temperament and willingness to learn - the overall attitude of the horse.
The stallion parades are open to all but they are encouraging the stallions whose youngstock are likely to be entered.
The aim is to promote and educate about British breeding. The intention is to show the stallions so that mare owners can look at proven animals (in terms of producing performance youngstock) and then select complementary characteristics for their mare or their chosen discipline. He stressed again that this is performance breeding and showing records, whilst interesting, don't count towards the true definition of performance in the strict sense that BEF use it.
The aim is very different from the more general stallion parades that are often organised. Like Pat, I've been to some where the stallions outnumber the spectators (in fact, that is why Osbaldeston stopped their annual stallion parade).
BEF is about promoting the best British Performance Breeding, not stallions in general. I believe they are starting small, working with the British Breeders Group and then they hope to bring about a general change of attitude towards quality breeding and in educating the average mare owner about the advantages of using a proven stallion (again, proven being in the sense that it can produce the youngstock)
This, I believe is a very good move away from people who keep a stallion and promote it as "show jumping stallion" (or whatever) without it ever proving that it can pass the genes on.
These horses are not judged for beauty or how well a professional handler can get them to present themselves. This is looking much deeper into the qualities of a performance horse. Good looks are nice, but not a measure.
As I've said before, I will be entering a pure bred and a part bred into the BEF youngstock classes because I am intrigued how they will stack up against the main stream performance bred youngstock. I want to know if I've got my perception right in what experienced performance people are looking for in a performance youngster. If I have, then good, but if I haven't, then I'll willingly learn and alter the bloodline mix in the future (always retaining a percentage of Arabian blood)
The biggest, biggest shame of all is that the AHS don't recognise the Arab as a performance animal (be it pure, Anglo or Part bred). Why aren't the AHS helping those of us who want to breed performance animals by getting recognition from the bodies that undertake performance assessments? |
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nn
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 2:55:45 PM
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My lad is going to the parade at arena UK.The one at the weekend was an evening one ,and they couldn't provide stables and we would of still been snowed in!
The parade is only open to stallions who have a breed society with a separate sports horse section. I know because Ranger wasn't allowed to go last year.
They allow the AHS premium stallions to go, but not anything else AHS registered.
I to am old enough to remember the HIS show.Babs there are a lot of anglo arabs by the old HIS stallions I'm sure!
I have also wandered round Osbaldeston with my stallion and had no interest from it!!!!
News from the meeting would be good! |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 3:24:11 PM
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I agree that parades should be open to any AHS stallion. |
    
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BabsR
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 3:38:03 PM
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Now, Theres an answer to the Anglo debate!! Forget Anglo 1`s and Anglo 2`s...LEAVE the Anglo Arab Stud Book as it is, for Pure Anglo Arabs.....and, introduce a NEW STUD BOOK, for Arabian Sports Horses, which would record ALL Pure, Anglo and Part Bred Arab Premium Stallions, Mares and Premium bred Foals
Records would then be kept of ALL successful AFFLILIATED competition results (dressage, eventing, endurance and BSJA) and help AHS none showing Members access the Performance Stallions` info
Production of promotional literature for the Premium Scheme, could then be more easily collated, printed and distributed at the various
Performance/Competition Show venues, which may inform the general non Arab public of the existence of the ARABIAN SPORT HORSE
Just an idea...but school for thought maybe
Babs
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templars
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 5:45:18 PM
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I like that idea Babs. Think it would solve a lot of problems.
Sorry nn, didn't mean to imply the BEF parade was totally open (just re-read what I wrote). What I should have said is, it is open to stallions that have been assessed as performance animals. You have put it much more clearly though. Thanks.
I like Babs idea though because:
i) it includes pure breds
ii) it includes MARES (whoopeey whoooo)
that would give the non dedicated Arab person a perfect recipe for mixing and matching. Good one!! |
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BabsR
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 6:09:58 PM
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RIGHT THEN !!! Hows about setting up a completely new concept. THE ARABIAN SPORTS HORSE JOURNAL....print it and circulate it, to assess the reaction.
Do we have any budding journalists/ reporters / Printers  amongst the A/L`s who would like a challenge ?? and prepared to give their time and support to such a project ??
Babs
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 6:17:00 PM
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templars
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 6:23:07 PM
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I'm in!!
A neighbour is a printer so I can check out the logistics.
I know a couple of journalists so can see what they think.
I'll PM you with some ideas |
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pat ww
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 6:38:31 PM
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| I did a fair few articles for the Arabianlink so also prepared to help if I can. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 16 Feb 2009 : 6:38:38 PM
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Hi Alistair, Think, basically as below
The Arab Horse Society operates a Premium Scheme in furtherance of one of its specific aims of breed improvement and to encourage the breeding of horses which are not only beautiful, but can also perform
Also to PROMOTE the introduction of Arab Blood into Performance/Competition Horses of none Arab breeding
IMHO...failed on both counts!!
Babs
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 12:17:09 AM
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My apologies, for not posting sooner with regard to the AHS Premium Scheme Sub Committee. But after a 200 mile round trip and 5hr meeting, felt I needed a little time to gather my thoughts, as it is important to post correctly, this thread has created a great deal of interest. It is important that members be assured that we are working to forward the recognition of the Sport Arabian and its derivatives.The Premium Scheme Website is to be updated and will carry
up to date news to be sent in by stallion owners, it was hoped that stallion owners would furnish some video footage
of their stallions in order that a promotional DVD can be produced.A paper is to be presented to studbook and registration on the registration of Arab Derivatives. the cost of an advert in the H&H is £1,854 and so it was decided to place a full page advert in Horse Deals, this publication will also give us editorial.
The letter to stallion owners can be expected to be received by the end of Feb as is customary
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templars
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 09:42:57 AM
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But what about the MARES?????
What about the breed????????
Aren't we supposed to be promoting the breed not just advertising stallions???? |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 09:51:38 AM
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Just a thought
Before one uses a stallion it is normal to have a look at the stock on the ground
The marketing focus should be on the results of using an arab stallion,so, lots of pics of what you can get and what they can do BETTER
Other wise it is a walk in the dark for the greater public who do not go to shows.
Another question
At shows there are very few entries in the Arab/cross category
Why is that? |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 09:53:15 AM
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What would you like to clarify your questions Templars please
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BabsR
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 10:39:16 AM
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I once wrote an article in Arabian News, regarding ALL the hype about the Arabian Stallions, ALWAYS WHAT THE STALLION HAS SIRED!! and I agree with Templars......what about the other equation in the breeding factor?? WHAT ABOUT THE MARES??
Nothing ever, to promote the IMPORTANCE of the Brood Mare, or her Progeny As I have stated many times before....the MARE is equally (if not more) as important as a stallion, when making the decision to breed........whether it be for Showing or Performance!!
I can prove this factor time and again, but will not bore you with reams of results in affiliated Ridden competition disciplines, Dressage, Eventing, Showing, Endurance, BSJA, with the produce of my Brood Mares. Feel sure Templars, Nicky, VJC, can likewise confirm, both having achieved good success with progeny from their homebred mares.
Therefore feel that MARES and their successful progeny, should be EQUALLY well promoted and documented...now is the opportunity for those responsible within the realms of the Premium Scheme, to ensure
a balance, in all future promotional literature....and give MARES
the credit they deserve  
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BabsR
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 11:16:54 AM
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Denmore......? " A paper is to be presented to Stud Book and Registration on the registration of Arab derivatives" Could you please clarify and inform us of the contents of this "paper"
Also advise if and when, the minutes of the Premium Scheme Sub Committee Meeting will be available for AHS Members to read and make comment on. Pleased to hear that AHS are running the Premium Scheme advert (only one page though, as opposed to the normal two pages, as before) Will be interested to see how a normally two page promotional literature, including photos and info.....can be condensed,to fit onto one page  When will Horse Deals Mag be out ??
Babs
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Hazel Cornes
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 11:49:06 AM
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As a mare owner, what do I expect from a Sports/Performance Premium Division of a Breed Society?
A website that is up to date, especially prior to the breeding season.
Each Premium Stallion listed with a photograph, owners details and website link.
The facility to click on the Stallion which would then give full details (stud card, terms, pedigree, progeny, performance records) and a short video link.
Deceased Stallions listed (again with links if still available) as some of these are available by Frozen.
Hard copy of the Stallion List can be kept at Windsor House, but the majority of breeders are on the web.
A DVD is ok but far better for each Stallion owner to produce their own or provide a video link.
Horse Deals - is there a special stallion edition, ie is this the publication I should be reading instead of H&H!?
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Micky
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 12:24:10 PM
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Whilst I agree with Babs, it is the outside world that should be made aware of "our" Premium Stock, not neccesarily just AHS members, and I'm afraid that means advertising. Word of mouth is another method, but that in itself is not enough.
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BabsR
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Posted - 17 Feb 2009 : 12:42:14 PM
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Yes...the ONLY way is advertising, promoting in various Equine
Mags...ON A REGULAR BASIS..not just on a once a year stab!!
Sure there are many Riders out there in open competition who are proud of their Horse`s Arabian connections. Hunt them down and get their stories of success, even if they are not
AHS members
Babs
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