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BabsR
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 Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 12:19:00 PM
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Agree, Agree....ANOTHER reason why the AHS is failing Members, yet again!! The whole thing is a shambles and needs a DRASTIC sort out before Membership starts dwindling big time 
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 12:24:32 PM
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| Thank you all for your input, there have been some extremely valid and constructive points made in your postings. Which will I am sure will go forward to the AHS. IMO the AHS with out a chief executive is like a ship without a rudder. |
   
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BabsR
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Treasure
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pat ww
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 9:09:44 PM
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I agree in principle that we do need a full time person responsible, but the last one was if I am not mistaken the infamous Shiela b. She had no knowledge of Arabs, the events we run, or the people she was dealing with. She managed to offend just about everyone, regional group chair persons judges and ordinary members.
The vacancy had been advertised in a respectable daily newspaper, and given no publicity within the society itself.
Big mistake.
There are many WELL EDUCATED people who also own Arabs. They have years of various experience in different job roles outwith the horse community.
IMHO I think this should be the first port of call for recruitment to a paid position within the AHS. With the usual disbarring of family members of committe / council / judges where a potential conflict of interests or nepotism could occur.
Only if this failed to produce any suitable candidate should it go outside, and then to other horse related organisations publicity NOT a regular newspaper where we could repeat the mistake made last time. |
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Treasure
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Posted - 09 Feb 2009 : 10:47:48 PM
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Although this is hypothetical as there is no post and no vacancy, it would have to be open to anyone under equal opportunities. However it can be sepcifically advertised in the equine papers and the AHS's website thus directed at 'horse people'. Example - my organisation advertised in all appropriate journals and papers and failed to recruit the right person for a new job, until one of our members saw the post on our own website - bingo right person for the job! But as I said it's hypothetical as all the lobbying has got us nowhere. An organisation run by trustees means that you are dependent on them to promote or organise things as they see fit. This puts a lot of work and responsibility onto a few unpaid volunteers!
Back to topic, surely the Premium Scheme should be the AHS's pride and joy as the breeding stock are well tried and tested and flag wavers for the breed  . |
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 10:16:40 AM
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How many foals are produced through the AHS Premium schemeper year ? |
    
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Lynda
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 10:45:38 AM
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Way back when the mares were inspected at the National show for premium scheme, there used to be two rows of mares, which were split at the old 14.2h.h.
The offspring of mares granted a premium could then go in for the BMPS young-stock classes, again held at the National. These classes were well filled.
The idea of the mares being inspected as suitable for crossing with a Pure or Anglo stallion was very successful, as the mare owner could choose which stallion they used. I think I'm correct in saying that the sum given was around £25.00 per mare. |
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BabsR
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 11:28:01 AM
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Alistair....surely the AHS are able to answer that question. I imagine they keep records of Progeny got through the Premium Scheme...or do they?? As so little effort is made by the AHS, then maybe they do not.
Do we EVER see any promotion of Premium Mares...don`t think so.
Over the years, all mares we have bred and put forward for inspection have been approved, or, through their own performance success and/or that of their progeny, have gained Premium Mares status.
Their offspring were then eligible for BMPS classes, which as Lynda also states, were well filled classes........BUT since 1984? sadly AHS chose not run these classes (which was a SUCCESSFUL way to promoting produce of the Premium Scheme) SO is the AHS not surprised, fewer premium scheme foals are
being bred) 
Perhaps the powers of be..should consider recruiting Premium Scheme Staff from Sport Horse GB (formerley Hunter Improvement Society) as their Premium Scheme proves highly successful.
Babs
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 11:46:31 AM
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I ask the question because it is not clear if anyone outside our community knows it exists and why .
Would not progeny results in all disciplines be a better guide to potential breeders. What research has been done to see what the market wants?
IMO there could be a ready sale for a General Purpose horse ,say an arab over an english hunter mare,as long legged teenagers could have the horse for life ie. a bargain |
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BabsR
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 12:06:38 PM
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Exactly........my endeavour for the last four decades, except that my Hunter mare, would have to be a Thoroughbred. Hence..the result, an Anglo Arab...the ULTIMATE Show/Competition Horse !! 
Long legged teenagers would then have their ideal all round performance horse of a lifetime, whilst still having the benefits of the Arabian influence....stamina, strong flinty bone, presence, light airy paces, equiable temperament, and.....extra size and scope!!
Am I biased......no not I  
Babs
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alistair leslie
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 1:57:36 PM
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or maybe
Arab/thoroughbred/dash of Irish draught?
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BabsR
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 3:10:00 PM
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Quality Irish Draught....nice short cannons, well let down hocks, extra size, why not...just a dash of!! Good Arab Sport Horse for the future...but then why?
A good big TB (Hunter Chaser type) ...still think the Anglo has it all!! How many breeds, other than TB would have the scope and courage of tackling the Grand National course and an Anglo won the AHS Marathon 2008 didn`t it. Speed, stamina high couraged. TB x ARAB, still the best!! |
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weirton
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 3:50:46 PM
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Nothing to compare, Babs. They have it all scope, speed and stamina. Just choose the right TB lines for the job.
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Micky
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Posted - 10 Feb 2009 : 5:05:05 PM
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Here here for the anglo....and we have part breds which the Irish draught crosses could go in to. Anglos do have it all, and as weirton says, just choose the right TB lines  |
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BabsR
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 10:34:44 AM
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Premium Scheme Sub Committee meeting tomorrow Lets all hope that the input of posts on this thread, may be taken on Board, listened to and ACTION TAKEN TO RECTIFY the shabby state of affairs of a Premium Scheme that is just not working!!
Babs
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vjc
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 12:18:45 PM
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Quite a lively debate going on here!  the ultimate aim for me is a true allrounder! a horse that can show, perform, and be the nicest of person in the stable  my best cross in achieving this has been to introduce some welsh sec d blood, i know that is not everyones cup of tea, but hey! results speak for themselves!!! whatever your preference we MUST breed our own performance animals in this country! |
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BabsR
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vjc
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 4:05:33 PM
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Hiya Babs, been very busy on the sewing machine of late  Amy looking very swell by the way, roll on foaling time! |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 4:17:13 PM
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Alistair, could you please clarify the term English Hunter as far as breeding is concerned, and how would this differ from the Sport Horse.
Hello Verina, pleased to hear that you are keeping busy. |
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nn
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 4:54:51 PM
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Fairlyn Geminis mother was a full TB. She was a champion heavyweight hunter!!!!
Farilyn Finesse, Faberge and Fantasia were full sisters out of the champion hunter Counteswells.She then became a champion show hack broodmare and a champion sports horse broodmare, so work that one out!
I think that if you have good conformation and movement you can get away with murder in the inhand by dressing up or dressing down!!!!
Oh Counteswells was never allowed a premium from the AHS as at one time you couldnt have premiums for your own mares!
That dispite the fact she had winners on the flat, over hurdles, eventing, dressage and of course the three girls!
So we graded her with the then HIS She was a grade 1 got the voucher and used it against her Gemini covering as he was HIS graded!
More than one way to skin a cat!!!!!!!! |
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BabsR
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 5:53:38 PM
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Well said Nickie. Good big TB, cross it to whatever, usually produces
a quality all round Competition/Sport Horse Cover TB with Pure Arab and you have got extra extra extra !!
Our old Boy Sunray Scelebrity`s Dam was a 16.1hh Thoroughbred and though never raced, proved an excellent Brood Mare of Anglos and Sport Horses. Tara Cara (GSB) was also dam of Top Ten BDB (1996/7)
young Event Stallion Monarchs Quantum Leap (ridden by Karen Dixon MBE) and full blood sibling Monarchs Melody. At that time, Quantum Leap had also gained £860 BSJA winnings.
Nickie, cant understand why Counteswells could not be recorded as a Premium Brood Mare in her own right, through her successes. I know that the owners of Premium stallions cannot claim a cash premium when covering their own Mares, even if they are themselves Premium Mares
I think that Premium Stallion Owners, should receive a Cash Premium each year, dependant on the number of Mares covered and tested in foal, as was with H.I.S Not sure if this is now the norm with Sports Horse GB 
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BabsR
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Posted - 11 Feb 2009 : 6:16:27 PM
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Hi Denmore, as Alistaire has not responded to your question, perhaps the following may be of interest:
"The English Hunter is a type, it is not a specific breed. The Hunters
primary qualities are exceptional endurance and balance when galloping and jumping a fence and surefootedness in varied terrain.
Looks, colour and characteristics are secondry to being able to keep up with hounds. The most preferred Hunter is a Thoroughbred, because of their exceptional inbred athletic abilities. The Hunter must be strong with sound legs and feet, and large body to allow the heart and lungs to function properly. Intelligence is also highly prized. A horse with initiative, to stay on the trail and boldly jump fences can make for an enjoyable experience"
Hope this clarifies the question
Babs
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BabsR
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Posted - 12 Feb 2009 : 3:22:41 PM
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Hopefully as scheduled, the Sub Committee Premium Scheme Meeting will be well under way. Heres hoping that AL`s comments will be taken on board and we may see a revitalised Premium Scheme, which will benefit all Premium Scheme Stallions, Mares and Premium Youngstock and will be of worth to all AHS Members
Babs
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. The promotion of all aspects the AHS's activities including the Premium Scheme would be part of the organisation's strategic plan ............