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DenmoorStud
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 Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 5:00:19 PM
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I would like to point out, at the beginning of each each year a letter
is sent to each Premium Scheme Stallion owner by our chairman Mrs Marion Eydeman asking for up to date information
for promotion purposes. The response from most owners has been poor.
IF the relevant information is not available, it is impossible to embark on any form of promotion,on your behalf,help us to help you.
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nn
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 6:21:36 PM
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Hi Denmoor
This year i havent had a letter!
I rang Windsor house to ask if they would be advertising this year but no one could tell me!
I still havent had written conformation that Ranger is a premium stallion, or his money!!!!!
If we dont get the relevent letters we cant give the information!
Also why dont the AHS tell us that as premium stallions the lads can go the stallion parades at Harpury, Arena UK and Mysercough.
If we are trying to promote the arab to the sports horse people this should be the place to go!
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BabsR
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 7:13:54 PM
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Well, would you believe Nickie....letter? not received mine. Wanting up to date info on our Premium Stallions......Dare we ask how much
the so called `promotion` fee will be this year. Did stand at £200 per stallion, but in their wisdom, AHS (last year, decided they would not be running the Premium Scheme Promotion in Horse and Hound
which had far more impact, reaching a very wide public
Also Nickie.......am I missing something...AHS Premium Stallion..money ??
Babs
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 7:28:07 PM
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Denmore.....would like to point out that if we HAD received said letter, we WOULD be able to respond and give updated information of our Premium Stallions, as requested by AHS premium scheme personnel
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Hazel Cornes
Silver Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 7:37:52 PM
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If any stallion owner would like details of the 2009 PSHP Stallion Parades and advertising for The British Breeder, I have Celia Clarke's emails from which I could give the info.
I think it would really enhance the breed if AHS Premium Stallions were advertised under the umbrella of AHS in both the Stallion Parade catalogues and the British Breeder.
The first PSHP Stallion Parade is on 14 February at Hartpury (as Nicky stated). Are there any Pure/AA/PBA going to this venue? |
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nn
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England
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 8:21:25 PM
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Babs when our old lads recieved there premiums many moons ago they had a one off payment.
Now when you performance test your stallion and he becomes a premium stallion you still get a one off payment.
I asked windsor house about the horse and hound advert for the premium boys and they said they were not running one this year as it was to much money!
So again the question is what do the AHS do for the premium stallions to promote them?
I have yet to come across a mare owner who knows what the premium scheme is all about, that includes arab owners!
Gemini as you know is also graded with the TBF. I pay £100 to register him for the season. For my £100 i get my covering certs, listing on the TBF website. Half a page in the TBF year book and he is onthe TBF advert for the horse and hound and horsedeals as well as any other adverts the TBF run.I think thats good value for money and the TBF isnt as big as the AHS.
Hazel we will be taking Ranger to the parade at Arena UK. We wanted to do the Harpury one but there are no stables and it is a night time Kur.It would meen the stallions being on the wagon for at least 8hours and as the weather is so cold i dont think it is fair to them! If they had stables we would have loved to go and get our music out! |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 8:45:11 PM
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There is to be a meeting this month, letters are imminent, hence this posting. I understand advertising in the H&H is to be discussed.
The owners of Stallions graded have received unofficial confirmation, and will receive letters of confirmation after the Premium Scheme committee has convened.
Constructive criticism is always welcome. |
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Avonbrook
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 8:52:20 PM
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Its good to know that the formal confirmations will be out soon. Will the AHS and Premium Scheme websites be updated at the same time? It was a shame to miss the Winter AHS news, I thought previous years I had seen articles on the performance testing in the winter issues. I could be wrong though, I haven't pulled them out to look.
I'm only up the road from Hartpury so Marcus could probably go but I didn't know anything about it until seeing it on this thread.
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 9:46:26 PM
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You asked for constructive criticism...I could write a book on the matter!! but at the end of the day,WHAT DO THE ARAB HORSE SOCIETY ACTUALLY DO, BY WAY OF PROMOTING THE PREMIUM STALLIONS.
As Nikkie states, they are not running the Premium Scheme Stallions promotional advert in Horse & Hound again this year. At a loss to understand why, they say AHS cannot afford it. We had to pay £200 for each stallion, for the privilege of having our stallions included
in this advert, in previous years. Now AHS cannot even be bothered to do this. ENLIGHTEN ME PLEASE.....
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Hazel Cornes
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Feb 2009 : 10:29:20 PM
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I think it would be so good for the AHS to be actively involved with the PSHP by encouraging the inclusion of their Premium Stallions and prospective Premium Stallions, this is the link for further information.
Go to the bef.co.uk website
Left hand menu click on British Breeding
Right hand menu click on Lead Body (PSHP) |
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Micky
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 10:52:10 AM
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The old H.I.S. knew how to run and promote Premium stallions, and a great job they did.
Unfortunately, the AHS dont seem to be interested, no advertising, no promotion at all in the outside world. How on earth are the general public meant to know that there are Arab, Anglo and Part bred premium horses.
Many years ago, mares were brought forward to be judged as being the right sort of mare to send to an Arab, Anglo. These winning mares were given a certain amount of money towards the stud fee of their chosen stallion. That worked very well, and then the subsequent offspring had classes at the National Show up until the age of three.
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Treasure
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England
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 11:43:22 AM
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The Premium Scheme should be one of the major areas for the AHS to publicise in whatever way it can - surely the promotion of tried and tested stallions is crucial to the breed's quality and continuation, proving performance is intrinsic to the Arabian and its part breds. It is the use of non tried and non performing stallions that just happen to be fashionable that potentially brings in all sorts of temperament and confirmation problems.
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 11:58:16 AM
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Thankyou for your participation, it is important that we keep discussions flowing, after all this is what AL forum
is for.
Babs R I am certain if you were to pen a book it would be received with great interest.
It does appear that there is some disillusion with the Premium Scheme perhaps a relaunch might be a option, as this involves a deal of work perhaps some of you might like to offer your services. |
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 12:40:35 PM
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Absolutely agree!! The AHS just do not seem to be the slightest bit interested in making the Premium Scheme a MAJOR ISSUE for the promotion of the Arabian Horse 
However, DO NOT AGREE with Denmore, that unless a stallion is NASTA tested, he should not be allowed to stand as a Sport Horse Stallion!!!
Have had first hand experience of using a 16.1hh Anglo stallion FEI International 3-day Eventer, on one of my best mares, and............ disappointed with the offspring!! Only made 15.00hh at maturity, and not of sufficient quality to be a show horse, let alone, top class Sport Horse.
Our own stallion, has proved excellent to ride, though we could not afford to have produced for NASTA testing, was awarded his Performance Premium status,through his successful affiliated competition offspring, when he was only twelve years old. The REAL `proof of the pudding` in MHO He is now an elderley gent, but his
progeny are still flying his banner in open affiliated competition.
So, I would say, DO NOT discount a stallion, simply because he has not had a ridden career or been NASTA tested. Look into your Mares and the stallions bloodline.....if there are also proven competition stock there.......you have as good a chance of breeding a foal, who with a knowledgeable rider, can achieve great heights.
The fashionable stallions, whos owners can afford to extensively promote them, are not always guaranteed....to sire a top class foal.
I shall most likely be accused of self promotion....and why not...the AHS do not make any effort to promote their Members` Premium Stallions
Hey Ho......I care not for my self indulgence!!!
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 1:18:40 PM
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I a sorry that you had a breeding that you considered less than perfect, but with your wealth of experience are well aware that each union may not be all that we would like ,it is always a risk that as breeders we are prepared to undertake.
We seem to have a crossed thread, could I ask you Babs to kindly answer the question regarding Arabian Mare/Kings Composer, as this is your forte |
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 2:04:44 PM
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Exactly my point........breeding is always a chance. So why should an unproven, ungraded stallion, for lack of his breeders finances, etc etc, be discounted as a Sports Horse Sire?? Surely far less of a chance, if progeny are out there, proving his stallion potential.
Your question...
In my own personal experience, have always preferred the mare to be a Thoroughbred and the Stallion, a pure Arab, as the resulting foal is likely to have more size and scope. Do like this mating as
a first cross, which is how our foundation Anglo mare was bred.
We have then crossed resulting fillies,(50/50) back to T.B. or
Anglo stallions with no more than 25-35% Arab. The Arab input adds stamina, denser bone, lightness of action, and an equiable temperament.
But have to say, each to their own, such fun, and if you get it right, so rewarding  Keeps us poor but happy
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 4:06:26 PM
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Avonbrook, unfortunately the Premium Scheme was not invited to provide an article for the year book, Iam sure this will be rectified in future as we need to keep members updated, on our future promotions,it may be more effective than a letter.
Treasure, I agree, the Premium Scheme is the major link between the AHS and SportHorse breeding and as such should be promoting where and when ever possible,but as a sub committee almost all proposals have to be sanctioned by first Studbook and registration and then Council, it can take an age or indeed not be passed at all,so you can appreciate our dilemma.
Babs R , The Premium Scheme still allows Entry by Merrit after 12yrs as you so rightly point out. This qualification gave your stallion enty onto the scheme. |
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BabsR
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England
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 4:41:09 PM
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Yes I am aware that the AHS awards Premium status by Merit ( the performance of several of a Stallion`s progeny at Major Show/Affiliated Competition) It was my determination and insistence to speak up for stallion owners who (for whatever reason) were unable to take their horses forward for NASTA testing ,that brought about the introduction of Premium status by Merit, for Stallions who had not been NASTA tested and were twelve years old or over.
NASTA Testing was only introduced as a compulsory qualification, for AHS Stallion Premium Performance Status (cant remember the exact year) but probably in the last decade or so.
The AHS needs to seriously get their act together, regarding the promotion of their Premium Stallions. To no longer post promotional Premium Scheme Adverts in H & H and other Major Sport/Competition Horse Magazines (as previously done) is a huge BACKWARDS STEP for Members and the Premium Scheme 
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 5:05:21 PM
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Denmore, would willingly offer my services regarding the AHS Premium Scheme.....but any ideas/suggestions/ etc. etc. have to go through several layers of the AHS hierarchy for approval.....and ALWAYS get stamped down, never seeing the light of day....and NEVER taken on board....unless it is THEIR idea...so, thank you, but NO THANK YOU!!!
have been there....done that
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 5:07:16 PM
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I must congratulate you your foresight and determination, made a difference and is still in place today. It just goes to show that recommendations made by members are taken seriously. I would like to reiterate that the Premium Scheme will have a meeting this month and have not dismissed an advertisement in the Horse and Hound nor any other
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 5:30:28 PM
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Nickie, Hazel, Avonbrook, Mickey, Treasure. THANKYOU for your input on this thread. Trust AHS Premium Scheme representatives make note of your valid comments  If enough of us speak up LOUDLY, maybe, just maybe, our voices will be heard and acted upon.....but, DONT HOLD YOR BREATH 
Babs
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Hazel Cornes
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 6:12:28 PM
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The topic has been all about Stallions, am I correct in thinking that mares can be awarded an AHS premium?
We had a fabulous pure bred mare and I am sure we could have applied for a premium on the ridden performance results of her progeny but as she had ceased breeding I didn't pursue it. |
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DenmoorStud
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 6:49:08 PM
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You arequite correct with regard to Mares being awarded Premium status, may I refer you to the AHS Premium Scheme web site
I think that may help to answer any questions for you |
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 6:51:00 PM
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Hi Hazel.....Yes, Mares (of any breed) can apply for AHS Premium Brood Mare Status, through her own performance which fulfills the neccessary qualification criteria) or through several of her progeny, who successfully achieve the neccessary requirement
Our TB mare was an AHS Premium Brood Mare (awarded on her own race winnings) several of our brood mares (Anglos), are also AHS Premium Mares The benefits... if a Premium Mare is covered by a Premium Stallion, upon registration of the resulting foal, the AHS offer a cheque refund on the stud fee £200 for Pure Anglo or Thoroughbred Mares and £100 for Part Bred Arab and Mares of breeding other than Part Bred Arab.
The progeny is then listed as premium stock and eligible to enter AHS Premium Classes (which unfortunately the AHS no longer hold) at the AHS National. Yet another Premium Scheme promotion which was shelved
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BabsR
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 7:03:17 PM
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We have energetically persued Owners of Mares, sired by our Premium Stallion, whom, through their own, and/or several of their progeny`s offspring, have achieved the qualification criteria, to gain Premium Brood Mare Status
Unfortunately, they somehow think applying is not worthwhile, as AHS do not offer Premium Stock breed classes at any of their Branch, `C` Shows, or at the National Championships Show.  |
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Treasure
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England
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Posted - 03 Feb 2009 : 9:58:16 PM
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At the risk of being mocked, maybe Premium and Performance horse owners should put themsleves forward for the forthcoming AHS elections to Council. It is only by being involved that we can instigate the changes needed. Nominations need to be in by Friday  !
I don't mean to go off track of the thread but clearly people are unhappy with the AHS's current lack of commitment to the Premium scheme and should be convinced that it ought to be a priority - for the best interest of the breed. (Ducks for cover lol). |
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