Hi Lucie, I think most of the balancers and vit supplements have these 2 in them. NAF General Supplement and Pink Powder do, so does Equimins supplement, Topspec Leisure No2 and Baileys Lo-cal. I have used all of these except the PP. (My boy is going on this for the winter). The Equimins tip top is the most economical supplement and I think PP will be the most economical balancer. I know that its not all about cost but I can vouch for good results with these.