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s.jade
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 Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 7:38:59 PM
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My Nazika is the same - she hates being rugged up, no idea why, she's 18 now and the mildest mannered old lady you could imagine (can be led in from the field by a 2yr old child).
She really is a mardy old bat at times though bless her, and if she's that way out she'll give you the kind of bite she'd give her colt as if to say bloody well leave me alone!
Normally a harsh word suffices - but as with your mare, though Zika's an old worldy wise lady, she'd never forgive me if I smacked her! |
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MinHe
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 1:11:28 PM
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Very little in Parelli that wasn't explained previously by people with less marketing clout behind them. Also, remember that the 'traditional western' way of working with horses is based primarily on violence and domination, unlike the European tradition of working *with* a horse. But just because it is promoted as a 'revolution' in that respect doesn't mean it's anything other than already established wisdom here in Europe.
I agree with loosefur about it being pushed at folk without basic 'horsesense'! Being hands-on with a variety of horses and an old-fashioned horseman would be of far more benefit to both horse and owner!
As for biting/rugs - the ONLY time my old gal bites (or threatens to) is if you're rugging her and she is of the opinion that it isn't time for rugs yet, thank you very much!
So that is probably all she's saying 
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geegee
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 2:27:43 PM
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Parelli is not western. Why are people getting confused about that?
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Deboniks
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 2:49:31 PM
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There seems to be confusion about a lot of things here.
geegee, have sent you a pm |
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Slave 2 Magic
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alison
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 4:43:38 PM
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Nikki I think she is just being naughty and showing her dominance, we treat them with a gentle approach and respect them, but they also have to respect us and I think sometimes we just don't want to be too bossy. My gelding who is very intelligent and pretty laid back bit me about two months ago when we were out walking with another horse who was being ridden but I was leading mine He suddenly bit me very hard on my arm I immediately said no and smacked him on his chest- he has not tried it again, thought I do keep my eye on him when doing in-hand work. He is a beautiful horse with no malice but I know he was a bit bored and trying it on - but not again as it really did hurt. Since then he has been perfect though he was perfect before, again now and then they will try it on. No need to be mean but you must show you are boss, it often helps to keep on the head collar with a long lead rope so when you work round her you can just give her a reminder with the lead rope to keep her attention.
Anyway good luck.
Ali
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kathleen
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Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 07:50:36 AM
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| My mare has just started trying to give me a cheeky nip when i put her rug on or if i brush her i am putting it down to being in foal for the first time lucky for me shes seems to be telling me to watch what i am doing instead of realy trying to bite me i just give her that you should not be doing that look and she looks away the little monkey bless her |
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NUTTER
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Posted - 27 Sep 2008 : 6:36:52 PM
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Ive never had any bite me ever apart from my yearling tried it 3 times!!
Bellowed how dare you with a slap... touch wood no problems now..
Mine i always try from the beginning now giving me MY space!!
As after importing a gelding over who had just been cut he terrified me in the stable trying to jump on me!!!
So this was a lesson i learnt from ..
They have to understand back/ back up whatever until am happy with the space when i want it..
We also have amazing cuddly wuddley times to though.. |
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 6:21:44 PM
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I know some may think this daft .... but what colour is your mare ??
Chestnut mares can be particulary thin skinned / tickelish etc and I have a couple on the yard that HATE being brushed or havig their rugs done , It's not that they're nasty, they really are lovely girls, they are just sensitively skinned.
I think that's what chestnut mares sometimes have a rep for being difficult when actually they're just annoyed at being messed with
The easy answer is - it's not allowed - regardless of how tickelish etc and they get a sharp elbow if teeth come anywhere near me when I'm rugging them , just a little sensitivity is required with some more then others 
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marionpack
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 07:44:37 AM
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| My gelding only ever bit me once while I was mucking him out, he had been moved to indoor stables with grids at the back and his whole personality changed from being a big softy, to protecting his own space and feeling threatend, as soon as I moved him out to another yard he went back to being a big softy again |
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arabic
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 12:08:03 PM
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Dont shoot me but I think the topic here is "why did she bite" and reading some of the responses Im just a little bit disappointed.!
Sorry guys
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MinHe
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geegee
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 1:19:06 PM
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Originally posted by MinHeOriginally posted by geegee
Parelli is not western. Why are people getting confused about that?
I *know* Parelli is not western. But it was developed in a country where western is in many cases the dominant tradition/mindset, and is 'revolutionary' in respect of many western 'traditions'. Keren
Sorry, I don't understand what point you are trying to make?
For those that are interested and to avoid any further confusion, this is an explanation from Parelli on "What is Parelli?" - taken from their website.
The Parelli method allows horse lovers at all levels and disciplines to achieve: success without force, partnership without dominance, teamwork without fear, willingness without intimidation, and harmony without coercion.
Founded in 1981 by lifelong horseman and teacher Pat Parelli, the Parelli Program combines common sense psychology and communication. Unlike many training programs, the Parelli method teaches the human, not the horse. Early on, Pat realized that horses already had all the skills they needed to thrive and relate with their kind. It was adding the human element that complicated things.
Horse owners who follow the Parelli program have found the greatest gift is discovering that Parelli enhances not only their relationship and communication with the horse, but touches every other relationship in their lives.
"It's more than just about the horse," reflects Linda. "It really dips into the personal development side of things. You learn about yourself, you learn about communication, about leadership, about truthfulness, about consequence and responsibility. You learn about love and imagination. The horse becomes the animal that tells you the truth about yourself in all these categories."
"People realize this is what they've been looking for in all their relationships," adds Pat. "It's balanced with love, language and leadership in equal doses. The program and their horse give them a living model so they can practice and become fluent in their abilities in all relationships, not just the horse relationships."
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Joto
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 5:25:26 PM
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if its any help to anyone my mare has started to nip when I 'm leading her in from th field. Ibelieve she does this because
1 she fels secure enough to challenge me, ie she isnt a scared fish-out-of-water anymore. shes settled into her home with my stable herd :-) so I'm really pleased about that
2 its when i get into her eye view, ie restrict her view on the side i'm leading her on
3 she doesnt know why shes being led away from her friends! and is saying "I want to stay with them".
a short quick smack on the nose with the lead rein end soon cured the problem, and let her know i'm in charge, not her. still get pulled faces though. :-) |
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geegee
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 5:37:09 PM
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Joto, I wasn't going to say anything because I am probably wasting my breath but will say it anyway....
I was interested in the first 5 lines of your reply and thought that this was a person who was interested in their horses behaviour and then my heart sank 
PLEASE, for the sake of your horse, go and read a book on horse psychology.
Why do you think that she stills pulls faces at you? Think about it....
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Zan
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 6:12:07 PM
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| I've just come in on this and have to say Joto, if I was a horse, and had to live with someone who was prepared to smack me on the nose with the end of a lead rope, I would nip you too, in fact I would probably do a lot worse than nip. Violence breeds violence. |
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Jessica
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 6:24:35 PM
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If a horse is still pulling faces at you, then the problem is not cured unfortunately. I'd say maybe 're-directed' and your horse may decide that the bite didnt quite work out for him, but he might be willing to try a different method...foot down the face perhaps? (extreme I know, but you get my drift)
Biting is not the problem. The bite (or) biting is the final product of a lot of other problems, happening way back up the line. The bite is the 'Grande Finale' in the case of biting. (Though it doesnt have to stop there!)
Your horse will have given you multiple signs (subtle though they may be) that leadership balance/dominance is swayed in his favour...ie he's top pecker in your pecking order!!
I want a good relationship with my horse don't get me wrong, I want understanding and willing, but i'd never want a 50/50 relationship with my horse, more like 49/51 (the 51 being me of course!)
Can you lead your horse? Does he follow without you putting weight into the rope? Does he stop when you stop. Can you back him up...is he light when you back him up?
Leading is the route/cure of all evils (as I believe) and if you can get this right.....well, i'm still working on it, thats all I can say! But I do know that a horse thats bad under saddle, is probably worse on the ground, even if it is not standing out like a sore thumb. Vice versa, a horse that knows the score before the rider gets on, ie...49/51 relationship I mentioned above, will make for a safer/happier experience for both horse & rider!
GeeGee has taken a bit of a bruising on the whole 'Parelli' thing, but what we must all remember is that Pat Parelli is just a man, who is incredible around a horse. If he has it typed, wrapped, stamped and sold on...so what, his teachings (however expensive he is etc etc) are extremely effective and he does have smashing communication skills around a horse!
You can call it Parelli, you can call it Ray Hunt, call it Horse Whispering, you can call it whatever you like, but at the end of the day it is just GREAT horsemanship, nomatter where it 'came from'
I am not perfect, far from it infact. The 1 thing I do have in my favour is the knowledge that my horse knows it all already, it's me who needs to learn his language. If he bites me, it is my fault, not his. I can't have read the situation.
We are all learning, all of the time!
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Jessica
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Posted - 30 Sep 2008 : 6:27:54 PM
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I've just read that again and I'm sorry if I wandered off of the beaten track a little.
Forums eh....a lovely big melting pot for us to all share our thoughts and ideas. I guess there is no 'right' or 'wrong' just different ideas. Some effective, some ineffective.
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GHALEEM
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Posted - 01 Oct 2008 : 5:33:30 PM
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Parelli is not about training horses its about training people. The most important things Parelli have taught me are patience and self control.
My horses did not have problems when i started the programme. I was looking for a way to stop being so goal orientated and dominant.
To stike out in anger and fear when a horse bites is a very primitive response. If i had to do so i would feel i had failed, i have many tactics to use that dont involve violence.
Michelle
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