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sasha
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 United Kingdom
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 Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 8:46:41 PM
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Can anyone tell me the % crabbet on my boys pedigree. His dam is 100%, but not his sire.
Lightning Dark Falcon 2002 by Lightning Sky Warrior out of Marbon Melissa.
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Noo
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England
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 2:45:07 PM
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| i would have thought Di Ellis would know that, as she bred Marbon Melissa. i'll email her now, and ask her to reply. |
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ashabarab
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England
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 4:59:40 PM
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Di probally sold the filly on this is not her breeding
lighning sky warrior is of imported black american bloodlines with a fair amount of babson breeding
mabrouka el ajzaa[imp] had several foals by differnt stallions [she was black] several made good endurance horses
black pearl had several off spring by mister beaujangles [according to allbreeds] and lightning sky warrior was one of them
there is a thread on here about babson breeding and l am sure someone can tell you more
hope that helps
ash
l had a grand daughter of mabrouka el ajzaa...great broodmare who consistantly produced good offspring...including a couple of anglos..one who had a filly by di's anglo stallion |
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Di Ellis
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 10:10:37 PM
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I sold Melissa to a vet who did endurance with her then later bred the foals by Mista Beaujangles (1996)called Lighting Golden Flame; then a filly (2000) by Lightning Sky Warrior called Lightning Dark Star. I think there may have been another one but have no record of it but it is obviously yours by Lightning Dark Star.
She came back to me in 2005 and then had two colts by Naresh. She is now in Denmark with Gunni and is being covered by Marbon Mastarifah (Grecian Idyll/Astarafah).
I will have to look up the pedigrees on Allbreed and see if I can work out the percentage for you. |
D.S. Ellis
Somerset
marbonarabians@yahoo.co.uk |
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Di Ellis
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 10:19:27 PM
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| Having had a quick look at the pedigree of Lightning Dark Falcon, I am afraid I do not recognise any of the bloodlines apart from Melissa's. So you have 50% plus whatever the experts can give you from the background of the other lines. They probably do go back to some desert bred horses but whether they were Crabbet or not I really can't tell. Sorry but we need to get Alexia Ross to look at this one or Egbert. |
D.S. Ellis
Somerset
marbonarabians@yahoo.co.uk |
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gu-ku-vi
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Denmark
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 07:58:12 AM
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Sasha if you have a picture I would be very happy to see it. We have Marbon Melissa on loan by us and she is a wonderfull mare, who we love to bits. Behind the stallion is some crabbets to, but I am not very good to matematic so I leave it to another to count the %
Gunni. |
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Lila
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Netherlands
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 09:55:41 AM
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Hallany Mistannny is straight egyptian, but with some Blunt lines, Yemama for example.
Bit Gulastra is almost 100% Crabbet except for one lie to Syria, Davenport blood through the Hamidie society for the Chicago world fair.
Kapri Nah is a mixture of Old Eglish and Crabbet plus Davenport and one lie to Poland and Spain, very old bloodlines.
Black Pearl is Babso with some Crabbet and Witez II Polish.
Counting % is not my thig, but I can tell you who is who.
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Sep 2008 : 8:44:15 PM
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Hi,
I know his dam Marbon Melissa is 100% crabbet, I bought my boy when he was still with his mother as a yearling.It was the sires side I wondered about,I know there is a fair bit of egyptian, but he's very crabbety looking. Can anyone post a pic for me?
Linda |
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Lila
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Netherlands
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 2:00:57 PM
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Hi Linda,
As said above that are the bloodlines he has in him, have no picture though.
Monique |
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Athena
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England
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Posted - 29 Sep 2008 : 2:34:58 PM
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Hi Everyone, I'm afraid I don't have time to do a detailed calculation right now, especially not an American pedigree like Lightning Sky Warrior as they take ages - little bits of Old Egyptian, Crabbet, Davenport plus a little early Polish and other lines all weaved together.
I did take a quick look,however, and as a rough guestimate would say that your boy's sire, Lightning Sky Warrior, is about the 40% Crabbet mark by the time you've taken into account the early Kellogg and Selby lines in there as well as the very early Blunt Crabbet behind some of the Babson Egyptian lines. There are certainly no modern show lines and it does not surprise me that such a combination with Melissa would look Crabbety. There is a strong element of Nasik, Raffles and Raseyn lines through the middle of Warrior's pedigree combined with some very strong Davenport lines which also contribute deep bodied strong structure and have more in common with Crabbet than more modern lines. My guestimate cannot be relied upon to be as close to a precise answer as more English pedigrees but can be taken as a minimum and, if it is out by 5-10%, it is likely that the horse is more Crabbet not less.
Hope this answers some questions. Alexia |
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 09:24:58 AM
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Many thanks for all that information Alexia and everyone else., I didn't think he had that much crabbet on his sires side,I thought there was quite a bit of egyptian!! but then I am no expert.
He is tall like Melissa, standing 15.2 Hopefully Gunni can post pics of him( that I have sent her)
Linda |
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gu-ku-vi
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Denmark
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 10:14:07 AM
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Here is the pics that Sasha send me of her boy. Think he is lovely and what a wonderfull brown colour. My kind of an arabian.
Gunni.
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sasha
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Oct 2008 : 2:48:26 PM
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Thankyou Gunni for posting the pics.The bay colour is the result of a black stallion to a chestnut mare!
Linda |
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Athena
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Di Ellis
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Nov 2008 : 11:22:49 AM
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I have just re-read this thread. It is lovely to see pics of Melissa's babies. She is returning home to me this week having not got in foal for Gunni for some reason or other. She is also returning her full sister, Mead, to me as well along with Mastarifah who has been running with both of them apparently. So fingers crossed we might get one foal next year from either of them.
Di. |
D.S. Ellis
Somerset
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