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Kizzys Mum
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 Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 5:20:29 PM
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Kira is doing well with her groundwork, walking out in hand regularly, longlining in the school no problems, however have a really odd problem, as much as she is happy to go forward on the ground under saddle she's willing to do a lap of the school and then gives up stands still and refuses to move.
She isn't worried or upset she just seems confused as to what I am doing up there. I haven't unfortunatly got a helper to assist, but she's just the same with another horse leading her? Anyone any ideas.
Her saddle fits well and we have no issue with that??
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sammyd0380
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 5:44:13 PM
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If you are on your own, probably the only thing you could do would be to try to turn her so that she at least moves her feet, and when she does make a fuss of her. Then try again! It's making her understand what your after, as it sounds like she just doesn't know. It may take a bit longer than if you had some help, but it should work in the end, you just have to be patient and persistant! |
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Edited by - sammyd0380 on 06 Sep 2008 5:53:09 PM |
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Kizzys Mum
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 5:48:23 PM
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Thanks, have tried turning her, don't think she understands legs asking yet, and when you ask with the rein she becomes a bit dim and just turns her head round to touch my knee 
I have to admit she has me flummoxed as normally my girls that I have backed have been so forward going it has been a case of settling them, not getting them going |
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sammyd0380
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 5:52:41 PM
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| Bless her! Some just take a bit longer than others to understand don't they?!. Does she listen to your voice? I always 'ask' mine to walk on whilst trying to turn/walk on, etc. |
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Kizzys Mum
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 5:54:48 PM
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She is 100% on the ground with the voice, but when I speak to her on board she peers around at me almost puzzled looking
She does make you think ahh bless just wondered if there was anything more I could do to help her connect the dots |
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lisa rachel
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 6:03:54 PM
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Hi Kizzzy's Mum,
Sorry but I think another patient sensible person on the ground would solve her misunderstanding in no time.
Just led forward as you give the aids and voice command, then loads of praise. Then helper at her side not leading but taking a big exagerated step forward as you give the aids to give your filly an example, being Arab, therefore bright and eager to please she will learn in no time.
We always ride 'led' for a while when breaking to give the horse confidence and to allow the horse to make the translation from familiar voice commands and cues from the ground into riding aids.
Where are you can any of us help?
Cheers
Lisa
Right must go and do something productive !! I am tied to the house cos on call and answer machine bust (just nipped out for a v quick chat with my youngster Bryn about walking over tarpaulins ... he agrees not scary anymore), but can't ride or anything fun so looking for excuses not to tidy house / do washing etc etc!
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Edited by - lisa rachel on 06 Sep 2008 6:08:07 PM |
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Kizzys Mum
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 6:06:36 PM
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I am just outside of Braintree in Essex
I have been lucky enough to have helpers before but on splitting with my ex am rather lacking
I did wonder if the helper is what she needs, just wanted to see before I go harranging people
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LOU
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 6:30:04 PM
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Hi Kizzys mum,
I am more that happy to help you im in chelmsford not a million miles way give me a private mail and I give you my mobbie number.
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Mrs Vlacq
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 7:43:56 PM
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Agree, a second groundperson is invaluable. If she longreins so well, get the other person to fake / actually longrein her with you on top giving the usual voice and baby leg aids. A few sessions so she is confident and the other person can do 5mins and then let you off.
It's all about her confidence and once she starts thinking forwards you make rapid progress. Willalso be very helpful for her eduaction for her to be 'worked' by different people and adapt to a new person longreining her |
    
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Evie
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Posted - 06 Sep 2008 : 8:14:21 PM
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| I also agree, I had a very good friend who conveniently is also an AI help me with my mare when I got her and this help was so useful!! |
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honey
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 12:05:58 PM
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| yeah i would say you need someone else on the ground to give you a lunge and then longreignin. my stallion went through this stage a good while after he was backed he would just refuse to go forward and buck for england. someone came down and spent half an hour long reigning him with me on him and we have never looked back. |
    
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Karon
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 3:01:25 PM
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| I found someone on the ground helped no end when we got "stuck", too! I was usually on my own so we got stuck a lot! Even just walking beside you to encourage should help, I got my OH to lead us round while I gave the aids and although he's not really horsey it soon got us going. |
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Kizzys Mum
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 5:04:59 PM
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| I had a small amount of success today and managed to take her out on her own, up the lane past the yard and she didn't want to stop just need to work out the school issue, have had a very generous offer of help so hopefully will be able to combat her schoolitis early on |
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pat ww
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 5:20:12 PM
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| We have always backed with someone on the ground, once they have adjusted to weight we lead out, they are used to going walkies so now with weight. I keep a loose lead rope on in case of difficulty, and encourage horse to be independent, does not take long to listen to rider not leader, then time to let go. Its worked for me every time. |
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Kizzys Mum
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 8:38:50 PM
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I have normally, unfortunatly when I moved away from my ex I cut off most horsey people I knew as he was a farrier and I didn't want any contact with him  |
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sammyd0380
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 9:34:18 PM
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| Sounds like progress today! Well done! You may find that will have done the trick. It isn't easy when you don't have anyone around. Sounds like you have offers of help if you need it, so that's great:) |
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Zareeba
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Posted - 07 Sep 2008 : 9:54:05 PM
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Hi,
Having been a lurker for a long time I don't know anything about Kizzy but I'd be interested to see how old she is... |
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Kizzys Mum
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 6:07:30 PM
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| Kizzy as in Kira my horse or me, if it's me i'm 24 and have been working with and owning horses since I was 4, Kira is my 4th of my own that has required backing. Kira herself is 3 1/2yrs old, which is why I aim to do very little just want to fix this stickability under saddle and then will turn away (except for the odd groundwork session) for the winter |
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phoenixbruka
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 6:36:20 PM
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I'd try a wip wop
You don't want to get any stronger with your legs as that's just counter productive (especially if she;s not sure what your asking anyway)
When your longlining when you ask for movement use a specific noise / word then this will transfer to under saddle.
If you want to try a wipwop ( which is just a thin piece of rope arttatched to your wrist effectively) you just move the rope once behind your leg the the other side, then back to the first side - has to be a minimum of 3 times- the idea is not to hurt the horse, just to give a feeling of something on both sides.
If you think of how the cowboys used their reins back and forth when they set off its looks similar to that ( but not as hard  )
This really works well.
I'm backing my 3 year old using richard maxwells new book when I get stuck - training your young horse- I got it off amazon for £9.86 ! 
It's really good and helps you with all the sticky bits we get stcuk on |
   
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Zareeba
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Posted - 08 Sep 2008 : 10:08:35 PM
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| I was asking about her age because I wondered if she might simply not be strong enough to cope with a rider yet, even just doing very light basics. She might also be feeling rather unbalanced - that's often why green horses buck, becaus they lose their balance & try to regain it by jumping around. Your girl might just feel as if she can't move very much under saddle as yet. We had a similar problem with our big home-bred warmblood when he was first backed - he would let us climb on and off him all day but when asked to move - eek, he said, can't do this - so gave a big buck & hubby slid off. All we did was wait until the following year - tried again & no problems! 3 1/2 is pretty young to be started under saddle - I know there's a tradition in this country of starting horses young but no horse, of any breed, is physically mature until the age of at least 5 1/2 (that's when the growth plates in the spine close - in some breeds that can be as late as 6 or even 7) so that might be worth thinking about. Personally I'd wait until she's a bit older and more mature physically - no reason why you can't continue work from the ground. |
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Kizzys Mum
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Posted - 09 Sep 2008 : 06:53:34 AM
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| I will try and pick that book up, thank you she has been taught a noise from the ground, out of the school she uses it but in the school she ignores it. I do wonder if the school is too deep for her as it is very very deep |
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