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KHA`LILAH
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France
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 Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 1:17:14 PM
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Do any members own a Malopolska horse, "Malopolski" or know people that have a horse from this breed, living in the UK. I am very interested in information regarding this breed!
Ananda
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alison
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Wales
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 1:33:51 PM
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Hi Ananda,
I have never heard of a Malopolska horse but I believe Malopolska to be in the south of Poland, so I presume it is a polish breed?
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Pixie
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KHA`LILAH
Bronze Member
France
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 3:17:17 PM
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Thank you Ali And Pixie, I believe this breed has raced as a Anglo-Arab in the UK.
My husband recently purchased a horse. He is only 3yr a big boy. But we are at a loss what area to train him for.
Also we seem to have a problem getting him clean, keep brushing but they don’t come off!
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ashabarab
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England
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 3:51:07 PM
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hey you have to post a picture!
what does he look like?
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ashabarab
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England
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 4:14:01 PM
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ah ha...now l can see him....he looks great...but you had better keep scrubbing l can still see spots
ash
but what a nice horse..lucky hubby...doubt if you will see many like him around! |
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KHA`LILAH
Bronze Member
France
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 4:42:20 PM
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Yes.. A Spotty Arab, what ever next! I think the Anglo part, must have been a leopard.
What do we do with one of these chaps? is he white, black or black, white? And even more strange the black is blue!!! He would really confuse the judges I think.
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Natalie M
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England
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 11:58:28 AM
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The Malopolska is the Polish light warmblood, as distinguished from the Wielkopolska, which is their heavier warmblood. The Malopolska is generally more of a riding/sport horse, the Wielkopolska more of a driving horse. From the photo of your new horse, I am wondering if you can tell us where he came from? Is he from Poland? It looks to me very much like a rare breed called in Polish 'Tarant', which is an ancient Polish spotted breed, probably related to the other ancient European spotted breeds such as the Knapstrupper. After the 2nd World War the Polish Trabants were saved from extinction by the late Director Ignacy Jaworowski and are still bred at Michalow State Stud, more famous for its Arabians to most people! They are popular especially for driving. This page is only in Polish but there are some photos. http://www.michalow.arabians.pl/pl/oferta/kuce-i-taranty.php
Actually quite a few stud farms in Poland breed these horses - just do an internet search on "Koni Taranty" (Polish for Tarant Horses) and you will find lot of pictures and information.
This website forum is in Polish but there are lots of nice photos.
http://swiatkoni.pl/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9228
HAPPY BROWSING
Natalie
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Natalie M
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England
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 1:53:09 PM
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Sorry - please ignore the word Trabant in the last post. The sentence should read as follows:
After the 2nd World War the Polish Tarants were saved from extinction by the late Director Ignacy Jaworowski and are still bred at Michalow State Stud, more famous for its Arabians to most people! |
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alison
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Wales
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 5:03:34 PM
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What a stunning looking horse you have there (can i have him please)
he looks amazing you must be very proud, don't scrub the spots off as he looks great
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KHA`LILAH
Bronze Member
France
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 6:51:11 PM
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Wow. I am still working on the bureaucracy side. He is from south Poland near Wodzisław. Taking a train from there in the second world war, was “one way”!
I have studied his passport. I wish I could show you the veterinary registration, someone has drawn every single spot, even down to the tiniest ones.
So far his record comes back as an Anglo-Arab (Malopolski) but they were very helpful, by telling me that he is siwotarantowata (spotted) “who would have guess”, well it is the weekend!
Alison I tried again today, but he is still a blue spotty horse. I really do not know what we will do with big baby, he is so sweet and my 15yr son rides him.
Back to what is? I will place his linege on allbreedpedigree soon, his register name is Lawirant, we call him Giclee! After the painting style.
Natalie thank you so much I really find this very interesting.
Ananda
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KHA`LILAH
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weirton
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 10:30:01 PM
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On past visits to Poland we were taken to see the Tarant horses of Michalow which are kept on a satelite farm away from the main stud.The horses we saw came in a wide variety of patches and spots so we assume there is a wide spectrum of markings allowed.
We also visited Bialka stud and saw what were described to us as Anglo Arabs but after speaking to our hosts it became clear that they were the equivelant of our Part-breds and not solely Arab and Thoroughbred blood as required in our stud book. I should be interested to know which horse it was that raced as an Anglo in this country.
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tamila
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KHA`LILAH
Bronze Member
France
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 10:31:52 AM
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This seems very likely, that this breed is recorded, as a part breed Arabian. The horse we own does carry himself with a similar movement, and tail carriage as the Arabian. But so do some of our welsh ponies. I have very little information related to the breeds sporting history, the breed does seem to have an aptitude, to be a top sport horse in most fields.
In truth I am not sure how many Anglo-TB it takes, to make an Anglo-TB. The history of the Arabian horse genetically, has challenged many breeders. Today’s knowledge on the Arabian, related to what is a pure, is astounding. Today I see, Arabian breeding, honoured under History and Art as subjective titles. But I am not sure if I can truly believe my eyes, now I am seeing spots.
The book shelves of the future, will hold books contain a scientifically documentation, Deoxyribonucleic acid records of horse breeds. As well as the who’s -who, wonderful pictorial versions.
Tamila he is something special, even if a little “DOTTY”. But I tend to sand with our Arabian, he laughs when we bring the horse onto the yard. But then ignorance does laugh at perfection!
Ananda
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Natalie M
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England
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 11:10:26 AM
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Hi, again
"siwotarantowata" means 'grey with spots' - siwo being grey.
What is the name of his breeder + names of his grandparents?
Malopolskas are warmbloods but not necessarily Anglo Arabian but he may well have some Arabian blood in there somewhere.
He looks super and should be able to do any equestrian discipline they want him to when he's mature.
The website for the Malopolska Registry in Poland is at www.pzhk.pl and it does have an English section.
Try this link:
http://www.pzhk.pl/art.php?id=ulotka%20_en.htm&lang=en
for a description of the Malaposlka breed.
I'm learning too as I browse. More happy browsing......
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KHA`LILAH
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France
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Posted - 31 Aug 2008 : 8:03:56 PM
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Now that is confusing I would have called this boy
"siwotarantowata" means 'grey with spots' - siwo being grey
Lawirant is a pink skin spotted.
Natalie I have not completed the allbreedpedigree, I may have to request some dates, to go with the ancestors. At this time the family lineage only hold the AngloArab/TB as listed, Strange! so I will have to keep on spot hunting. Thank you so much for the links
Ananda
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KHA`LILAH
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France
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Posted - 04 Oct 2008 : 9:23:01 PM
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Natalie M
I have placed the spots aside, and followed the Arabian?
This has been traced to a specific line called Shagya. I believe the Shagya is related to the Malopolska breed as Lawirant linage is full of horses recorded under the title of SHAGYA Arabians, such as Labedzi spiew – Damura - Czad. Most of the Shagya Arabians are recorded under codes rather than name. http://www.ansi.okstate.edu/breeds/horses/shagya/index.htm
AngloArabian English Thoroughbred is to be found in Lawirant, but I believe this was through a breeding program with East Prussians mares.
Nathalie, I have to thank you for guiding me towards the Michalow State stud Tarant Horses: A conversation held with my husband has finally made sense.
The person the horse was delivered via, was polite firm and consistently said that the horse was called Tarant, accent confusing the situation, my husband reply was, no his name his Lawi”rant” No clue there!
Descriptive by Michalow state stud. “Historically coloured horses have been highly prized in Poland. According to old texts the Polish kings, landlords and officers of the "winged hussars" rode leopard spotted horses called "tarants". This tradition has now been re-established at Michalów State Stud and some private breeding farms.
Janów Podlaski State Stud breeds some of the finest Polish pinto horses. Pintos may also be found in private farms, members of the Wielkopolski Horse Breeders Union.
As the Tarant is a very rare lineage of the Malopolska which is leopard spotted! Do the Bialka stud AngloArabains (Malopolska) and the Tarants of Michalow come from the same, SHAGYA Arabian tree?
The Polish horse society, are very helpful, although there are still gaps in the linage, not yet discovered, the records are well established.
I am far from completing Lawirant’s records, for his breeding card. This has not been made easy as the breed Malopolski or Malopolska are not recognised in France yet!
The Malapolska is a sport horse. Eventing, dressage and show jumping, also used for carriage work, alongside the heavier polish breeds.
The Malopolska breed comes from carefully chosen combinations. Created with the aim to develop, a dynamic sport horse, for Jumping.
The temptation was too great, he is being ridden by my son, so reasonably fit, the question is can he jump? Captured on camera, this odd young stallion walks out of his box and is given a challenge most would shy away from! And shows us what a show jumping spotted shagya Arabian/warmblood called Lawirant can do...
So far the only knowledge I have on Lawirant that is 100% clear is that the spots are here to stay! So we will have the opportunity to recognise his offspring in the future.
Lawirant Malopolska can be seen on video @ http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tZczNH8d1mk
Thank you to everyone for helping Lawirant find his spot in Arabian lines!
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madmare
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Posted - 04 Oct 2008 : 9:37:11 PM
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would be interesting to see what he would produce with a pure bred mare...a spotty three quarter bred arab?
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trinity
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Posted - 04 Oct 2008 : 10:15:25 PM
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| I'm loving this thread. It's fascinating. What a lovely boy, and he looks as if he has a great rapport with your son. Lucky you. |
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CeliaS
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alison
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Posted - 05 Oct 2008 : 12:59:03 PM
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Wow Wow Wow - I just love your horse the video is fantastic, no pressure just mutual respect and a horse that obviously enjoys games and human company - what more can you ask for, well done and give him a hug from me.
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Chris James
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KHA`LILAH
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Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 2:01:35 PM
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When Lawirant arrived in August, he was a head strong large spotted puppy. Since then, lots of question have come to light. What “is this bred? And why create such a horse?
Lawirant is the only Malopolska I and my family have spent time with, I can not say if Lawirant is typical in his nature, to other malopolska horses. Or if my son is a typical 15yrs old boy, he was introduced to riding, and handling horse, this June. Yet he has handled our stallions so calmly!
Alison I hope you get to give him that hug yourself one day! I loved learning how to create a video, and discovering that an event enjoyed by myself, can touch so many wonderful people. Thank you for your loving responses.
ananda
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Pixie
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Merlot
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Posted - 06 Oct 2008 : 4:14:57 PM
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| Fascinating. Lovely video - very nice to see a rapport there already. Hope you have lots of fun with him. |
 photo by Eric G Jones |
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